Gets his Blackbelt and leaves

[Bajaratt]

look, if u didnt pay for the site its not yours. Its akin to a business owner hiring a manager for a store.

Artem, someone reproduced a post that was on topic and pertanant to the op. Why dont you want people to know how kisada treats people in that ls? I think its important that people see how one of your leaders acts, that is, unless your ashamed of him.

If the owner exercises no control over the operations of the website, then the one who is given full control over it can do whatever they want. The other guy is more like an investor, since all he's doing is paying for the website but not doing anything with it.

 

[Rappa]

If the owner exercises no control over the operations of the website, then the one who is given full control over it can do whatever they want. The other guy is more like an investor, since all he's doing is paying for the website but not doing anything with it.

Sucks to be the owner when Chasym decides to start doing something illegal on the site. Chasym might as well make his own kiddy porn site, won't be his ass going to jail. "But your honor, even though I own this I didn't do it so I'm innocent!"

 

[Lavi]

Sucks to be the owner when Chasym decides to start doing something illegal on the site. Chasym might as well make his own kiddy porn site, won't be his ass going to jail. "But your honor, even though I own this I didn't do it so I'm innocent!"

Did you say kitty porn?

Oh. OH! Kiddy porn. My mistake.











Not really, just wanted to insert random picture. >.>

 

[Firestreak]

Let's not suck each other's dicks over the semantics of it. Chasym did what the owner of the site obviously wouldn't want done. Just cause he may not have said, "don't use this site to betray us, please," doesn't mean it's implied. By Chasym's logic, you shouldn't hand him a steak knife at dinner unless you specify for him not to cut your throat.

 

[Lavi]

Shouldn't basically any in game conversation be held to that same standard? And yet those are considered free reign on these boards. Any linkshell conversation, any tells, or anything sort of communication people expect as a sort of private chat is free to be posted. While Kisada had some amount of privacy on the Kaizen forums, a member of your shell has every right to post that since it's not private to them. You are basically sensoring your own member who chose to post it and I think that's wrong. If you want to reprimand your member, fine, it's still dumb of them to do it knowing you are an admin, but using your moderator powers to avoid any public embarasment is an abuse of those powers and that's exactly what you did and is no different from any of the past posts here.

 

[Artem]

It's also important to actually read the privacy statement of a forum, which most likely states that the only person that has authority to disclose anything posted under private boards is the Administrator (Chasym is one, hey look at that). A member is in violation of that if they disclose anything. Private LS business is private LS business. It's the same if someone found out a ToD for something they needed, and posted for help and then a member of the private boards came on here and told everyone to come countercamp. Private information is meant to stay private. Conversation between two people is not by any means private unless specifically stated (nothing is private unless specifically stated). In case of a forum it is stated, most of you just don't bother to check. It usually also states that the privacy can only be broken by Administrator in specific cases (investigations and what not or w/e your user agreement/privacy statement says).

I'm sure the OH board said in privacy that admin's can disclose any information if they think suitable. So the belief those posters had of privacy, as you say, is skewed by not reading the policy.

There's a difference between Administrators and Users, they get to do different things.

 

[Shaunessy]

There is no privacy on the internet.

 

[Lavi]

Checked out Kaizen's Privacy policy with a little glance, didn't read it in it's entirety, but as far as I can tell, there is no policy stating user's are guaranteed privacy. Instead:

7. NO GUARANTEES

While this privacy policy states standards for maintenance of data, and while efforts will be made to meet the said standards, the site editor is not in a position to guarantee compliance with these standards. There may be factors beyond the site editor's control that may result in disclosure of data. Consquently, the site editor offers no warranties or representations as regards maintenance or non-disclosure of data.

 

[Sirelrohir]

Checked out Kaizen's Privacy policy with a little glance, didn't read it in it's entirety, but as far as I can tell, there is no policy stating user's are guaranteed privacy. Instead:

lavi, theres no point. He's looking for any reason to try to make certain mods look impartial. But seriously, I'm not sure many people are gonna buy it this time, whether he uses privacy jargon or not.

 

[Rappa]

Does Kaizen make you sign a NDA before you can use their forum? If all you're going by is the aforementioned privacy rule then I don't see what's wrong with what the pleased dictator posted other than that someone who has moderators here in their ls didn't want it up.

 

[Artem]

Does Kaizen make you sign a NDA before you can use their forum? If all you're going by is the aforementioned privacy rule then I don't see what's wrong with what the pleased dictator posted other than that someone who has moderators here in their ls didn't want it up.

When users register they check "I agree to be bound by this web site's Terms of use and Privacy policy" where Terms of Use and Privacy Policy are clear links to read the mentioned two documents. Terms of Use governs Privacy Policy, as a Privacy Policy is an extension of Terms of Use, Section 4. (quoted below)

4. Privacy policy

Registration data and other personally identifiable information that the site may collect is subject to the terms of the site editor's Privacy policy.

Clearly stating that Privacy Policy applies to the personally identifiable information you submit to this site, such as your name, ip etc. That is governed by what Lavi posted about no guarantees.

However, if you continue reading Terms of Use. Section 6, you will notice under point (c) exactly what I said.

(c) you will not collect or distribute any information about/by other users;

So yes, whoever reposted that post broke the agreement from when they signed up for the site's services.

EDITED: I omitted a word in the last sentence that made it sound not as I intended, fixed. Also I'm only posting this because of Lavi's incomplete and inappropriate quote. You guys can remain thinking in your own way, as these arguments always end up in each party thinking their own thing, so I would like to end this discussion here. This is not an argument presented by me; I'm just reiterating the publicly available information that people have omitted to mention. Purely factual.

 

[Raesvelg]

The issue isn't whether or not the wrong decision was made in removing the original offending post. (Which I never saw, incidentally, but that's irrelevant in this case)

The issue is that *this* time the post was removed with considerable alacrity, whereas in other cases similar posts have been left up indefinitely.

Which brings us back to the concept of "inconsistent moderation".

 

[Chasym]

It's also important to actually read the privacy statement of a forum, which most likely states that the only person that has authority to disclose anything posted under private boards is the Administrator (Chasym is one, hey look at that). A member is in violation of that if they disclose anything. Private LS business is private LS business. It's the same if someone found out a ToD for something they needed, and posted for help and then a member of the private boards came on here and told everyone to come countercamp. Private information is meant to stay private. Conversation between two people is not by any means private unless specifically stated (nothing is private unless specifically stated). In case of a forum it is stated, most of you just don't bother to check. It usually also states that the privacy can only be broken by Administrator in specific cases (investigations and what not or w/e your user agreement/privacy statement says).

I'm sure the OH board said in privacy that admin's can disclose any information if they think suitable. So the belief those posters had of privacy, as you say, is skewed by not reading the policy.

There's a difference between Administrators and Users, they get to do different things.

you are very correct, and considering i built the boards with phpBB3, the rules are the same for anyone who uses that code to create their board on, and that privacy rule is in there.
I never said what i did was right or to the paying owners wishes.
but that rule right there says i had that permission without the owners consent or not, If aldiel was an admin it woulda been different but i was the only real admin on the board, cyronae had the second highest admin powers and...that was it.
also im not ignoring or going against what happened in this post.
If i was allowed to keep mine up this one should be allowed to be up as well, as thats very hypocritical to let one that contains those you dislike to stay up and watch them suffer, but remove a link that pertains to someone you dont wanna see suffer.
Ill see what reeve might say about it.

 

[Lavi]

When users register they check "I agree to be bound by this web site's Terms of use and Privacy policy" where Terms of Use and Privacy Policy are clear links to read the mentioned two documents. Terms of Use governs Privacy Policy, as a Privacy Policy is an extension of Terms of Use, Section 4. (quoted below)



Clearly stating that Privacy Policy applies to the personally identifiable information you submit to this site, such as your name, ip etc. That is governed by what Lavi posted about no guarantees.

However, if you continue reading Terms of Use. Section 6, you will notice under point (c) exactly what I said.




So yes, whoever reposted that post broke the agreement from when they signed up for the site's services.

EDITED: I omitted a word in the last sentence that made it sound not as I intended, fixed. Also I'm only posting this because of Lavi's incomplete and inappropriate quote. You guys can remain thinking in your own way, as these arguments always end up in each party thinking their own thing, so I would like to end this discussion here. This is not an argument presented by me; I'm just reiterating the publicly available information that people have omitted to mention. Purely factual.

My quote is taken word for word from the Privacy Policy of the Kaizen web page which needs to be signed by all users who wish to join their forums. It's not out of context or incorrect in any way, I can vouch for that. You can vouch for it as well if you check the forum site. I copied the entire section 7 meaning it's in context since the WHOLE context is there.

Now, to call it inappropriate and incomplete is... Well, let's face it, BS. Had you taken your quote and said that, I would completely agree. Your quote is taken from the User Agreement and applies to a person's information, not the posts they make on the site. That is to say, their e-mail, their address, birthday, and all relevant information to sign up for the site. It has nothing to do with guaranteeing anyone's posts or privacy (You'd think a privacy policy would do that...).

The information posted on the Kaizen Forums cannot be guaranteed for this very reason. Anyone with user access can freely spread that information and there is little to nothing anyone can do about it. Now, the problem faced here is Nasya asserted her partial judgement to remove a post she felt reflected poorly upon her shell and when the exact same scenario was faced upon OH, she didn't think twice about do anything. In fact, she asserts that those users don't have the same rights her Kaizen members do apparently. This is the very reason so many QCDN users are always upset. Moderators are constantly flexing their powers when it serves their purpose and treat everyone with a different amount of courtesy.

I recently had Neo tell me I was flaming his buddy Phraust. I wasn't too happy about that BS, but I can't say it wasn't all that unexpected. His friend suggested using an inferior weapon as an alternative and the only reason it's viable for him was because of merits which obviously 99% of the server does not have making the suggestion almost pointless. I said it was a useless reply and Neo tells me I am flaming. Had any other user suggested what Phraust had, he would then be scoffed at and called a gimp in far less friendlier terms. Mind you, no mod would care because the advice was bad, but because it's the mod's friend... You get the idea.

 

[Bajaratt]

I recently had Neo tell me I was flaming his buddy Phraust. I wasn't too happy about that BS, but I can't say it wasn't all that unexpected. His friend suggested using an inferior weapon as an alternative and the only reason it's viable for him was because of merits which obviously 99% of the server does not have making the suggestion almost pointless. I said it was a useless reply and Neo tells me I am flaming. Had any other user suggested what Phraust had, he would then be scoffed at and called a gimp in far less friendlier terms. Mind you, no mod would care because the advice was bad, but because it's the mod's friend... You get the idea.

So ridill is inferior to any knife because it requires effort to use properly? LOL no.

 

[Lavi]

So ridill is inferior to any knife because it requires effort to use properly? LOL no.

Can you use a Ridill at level 63? Or perhaps you are referring to Phraust suggesting other players use sword? You know, the Ridill we all have as Christmas presents from our Moogles... Yah, next time know the FULL details.

 

[Artem]

You got it backwards, Privacy Policy says we will try our best to keep your information confidential, but no guarantees. Terms of Use says you cannot distribute other peoples information, post is information. It doesn't say anywhere that your posts will be confidential, we have the right to make it public and let everyone read like Chasym did, but no one can copy and paste (collect and distribute) the topic somewhere else. That is a violation of Terms of Use as they agreed to. On purely legal aspect, they violated the agreement on top of breaking the trust of their fellow ls members.

And yes, your post was out of context and inappropriate because it was dealing with something outside of post content, which would be clear if you read the whole thing. Yes, you did post the whole section, but you misused it to gain advantage in your argument.

 

[neophytal]

I recently had Neo tell me I was flaming his buddy Phraust. I wasn't too happy about that BS, but I can't say it wasn't all that unexpected. His friend suggested using an inferior weapon as an alternative and the only reason it's viable for him was because of merits which obviously 99% of the server does not have making the suggestion almost pointless. I said it was a useless reply and Neo tells me I am flaming. Had any other user suggested what Phraust had, he would then be scoffed at and called a gimp in far less friendlier terms. Mind you, no mod would care because the advice was bad, but because it's the mod's friend... You get the idea.

ahhh, yes, the "discrete" reply to the PM in the other forum later on, instead of being able to say it to my face in a reply to the PM, which you decided not to do. nice.

well, you were flaming. ive told other people to stop flaming, not just you, so dont feel special. ive even told people to stop flaming blazn. so what?

you were criticizing someone who was providing a useful aspect of the discussion that no one had touched. so what you dont have a ridill? i dont have one either. several people dont. but some people who like to try new combinations and other things, it may provide an aspect worth looking at.

and as far as "mod privelege friends", whatever. ive pissed friends off on here.... so, it doesnt matter who said it.

people have said plenty of things that i thought were gimp, and about 90% of the time i ignore it, unless its just plain horrible.

Little confused as to what this is about, as I didn't get to read the post. But if it is as Nasya says and it has the potential to cause more Drama than I'm glad it was removed.

i had no part in removing the post-- but as you can see, he is glad it was removed-- and he had also stated he wanted this topic to die, as the original OP. is that hard to understand? lol

 

[Bajaratt]

Can you use a Ridill at level 63? Or perhaps you are referring to Phraust suggesting other players use sword? You know, the Ridill we all have as Christmas presents from our Moogles... Yah, next time know the FULL details.

I don't recall anyone saying that a ridill was easy to get, and you obviously wouldn't use it until you would be able to equip it; none of that actually matters though. What I was addressing is you calling it inferior because it actually takes some effort to use it effectively, which is laughably wrong. When looking at the best gear you can work for, ridill pretty much tops the list.

 

[Phraust]

I don't recall anyone saying that a ridill was easy to get, and you obviously wouldn't use it until you would be able to equip it; none of that actually matters though. What I was addressing is you calling it inferior because it actually takes some effort to use it effectively, which is laughably wrong. When looking at the best gear you can work for, ridill pretty much tops the list.

Actually Baj, you are kinda off base here.

I was suggesting to the OP in that thread, Cause he had asked for imput, using a Vorpal Blade settup on a Drk(Not as a dagger rep on thief) rather than Scythe, axe, or G.Sword, 'cause it was faster attacking and more fun subbing /nin, because it allowed me more fredom to do things. Lavi jumped down my throat(as he always does) saying I was jerkin me e-peen because I suggested it. Had I not attained a Ridill, I would still suggest the stated suggestion based on my current low level experiences. Vorpal Blade is just that much more consistant [on Drk], as compared to Rampage and having multi-hits makes SELR more damaging over all.

Obviously what we have here is e-peen envy. It's just annoying Lavi, because you are bordering on thread-stalkign me on these subjects. you look like a dipshit when you just pop out of nowhere and shit on somone[me] for giving a view that no one covered. Thusly you attained a PM from an admin on your actions, not because you retorted my suggestion, but how you did.

Anyways... Continue arguing your semantics. Somethign got posted that was internal (Which imo wasn't that bad for the public to read) and was removed because it was just more feul to a fire that was suppo0sed to be exstinguished a long time ago.

Lock this thread and be done with it, the OP wants it to die, as does Kaizen. There's no ill will flowing either way, it's done.