Give him his rate ups. They're all he has.

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Makelith said:
Jamal: I've butted heads with you once or twice, but i always knew you were a good guy. Maybe you should take another vacation?
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I was put on read-only status a little over a week ago for defending friends. I think I've done my part in stepping away. Arc's flaming me for rating him down, when as I was said, this wasn't about him. He's a fucking pawn. I knew it would get attention, and accomplish the point I was trying to make.

I used S&F first, and was told no. When that happened, I used the rate-down function. If I'm the only one who cares about the rate-downs, why did Arc flame me for using it, especially when it's not a big deal?

Had I not been put on read-only for bullshit, I probably wouldn't have been at odds with people anyway. I'm still waiting for the public apology for that bullshit...

In response to Miros, I don't need a third party monitoring me. Stuff was not being handled behind closed doors Makelith, we agreed to not contact eachother. The ratedown I gave arc had nothing to do with Arc...it's because of his position and Miros's reason for giving him the 650 point rate up that I did it.

All I've ever asked for is to let us handle ourselves. Had things been handled correctly when I used the correct format for relaying problems on the board, the ratedown for arc would have never happened.
 
jamal said:
I'm still waiting for the public apology for that bullshit...
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Newflash:

If it hasn't happened by now, chances are slim to none that it will happen at any time in the future. Should anything like that actually do come about, I'll eat my crow with some green beans and an RC Cola.

Your sense of self-entitlement will get you nowhere in the meantime.
 
Tristam Green said:
Newflash:

If it hasn't happened by now, chances are slim to none that it will happen at any time in the future. Should anything like that actually do come about, I'll eat my crow with some green beans and an RC Cola.

Your sense of self-entitlement will get you nowhere in the meantime.
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Newsflash:

1 month prior to this we were leaked information the moderation staff was waiting for me or my friends to fuckup so they could get at me. I brought it to Miros without making anything public, who said there was nothing of that sort going to happen. Sure enough, as soon as the good times posts by my friends were created, they were deleted. I stuck up for them, and was put on read-only status.

I think demanding an apology is not out of the question.
 
jamal said:
Newsflash:

1 month prior to this we were leaked information the moderation staff was waiting for me or my friends to fuckup so they could get at me. I brought it to Miros without making anything public, who said there was nothing of that sort going to happen. Sure enough, as soon as the good times posts by my friends were created, they were deleted. I stuck up for them, and was put on read-only status.

I think demanding an apology is not out of the question.
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I had my entire account deleted, with faked messages from me and everything.

They never even bothered to finish the investigation, and at least one person (I don't remember who or feel like digging the post out), long after anything could even be done about it, has used it as plausible deniability.

Good luck with that apology.
 
Sorry to hear, Garvin. I know I won't get it. I just hope this helps others outside of the situation better understand my stance. The read-only didn't make me take a step back, it confirmed everything I told Arc and then Miros for months.
 
Jamal, you endlessly antagonize the mods. Hardly anything they ever do is good enough for your lofty standards and when they do positive things, you still shit on it at times. You do things you know will provoke a response and then when they respond you bitch and complain and scream about it until you feel you've made your point. I'm not saying the mods are always right, far from it, they're human and they screw up just like everyone else. But there needs to be a balance. You claim they're gunning for you? If I had to hear you piss and moan over every little thing and how incompetent everyone is and how you're so victimized over and over again for months and months, I'm not sure how I would react myself. I think you better understand that even when you're right, you present yourself 8 times out of 10 in a way that is abrasive and condescending. You think people, even mods, aren't going to react in a negative way to that? You know I don't have an issue with you; you are who you are and you don't try to be anything different. But I think it's really one-sided to act like the mods haven't had cause to take action at times (not necessarily this time I don't believe, but it's not up to me).

I think both sides are at fault. You're both picking at each other and stomping your feet like little kids. I think you all need to stop taking everything so seriously. Accept that you don't like each other and move the fuck on. Seriously do you really enjoy this back and forth animosity?
 
Can't we all just get along? :(

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The Get Along Gang, Get Along Gang
Each one so special in his own way
Montgomery is the leader and he's such a good sport!
The Get Along Gang, Get Along Gang

There's Woolma and Dotty with the spirit
And Bingo with pranks who doesn't ruin it
Logical Portia will figure it out
And last Zipper, the lean machine

Get up with the Get Along Gang
Come on, their adventures don't end
Get up with the Get Along Gang
Ahh-ahh-ahh-ahh-ahh-ahh-ahh

Get up with the Get Along Gang
The club house caboose on it's way
Get up with the Get Along Gang
Ahh-ahh-ahh-ahh-ahh-ahh-ahh. Get up!
 
Zyndara said:
Jamal, you endlessly antagonize the mods. Hardly anything they ever do is good enough for your lofty standards and when they do positive things, you still shit on it at times. You do things you know will provoke a response and then when they respond you bitch and complain and scream about it until you feel you've made your point. I'm not saying the mods are always right, far from it, they're human and they screw up just like everyone else. But there needs to be a balance. You claim they're gunning for you? If I had to hear you piss and moan over every little thing and how incompetent everyone is and how you're so victimized over and over again for months and months, I'm not sure how I would react myself. I think you better understand that even when you're right, you present yourself 8 times out of 10 in a way that is abrasive and condescending. You think people, even mods, aren't going to react in a negative way to that? You know I don't have an issue with you; you are who you are and you don't try to be anything different. But I think it's really one-sided to act like the mods haven't had cause to take action at times (not necessarily this time I don't believe, but it's not up to me).

I think both sides are at fault. You're both picking at each other and stomping your feet like little kids. I think you all need to stop taking everything so seriously. Accept that you don't like each other and move the fuck on. Seriously do you really enjoy this back and forth animosity?
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Exactly what lofty standards am I setting. Read My blog, my reasons for Arc hatred are there. It's not lofty by any means. I am not antagonizing the mods, I'm telling them in fact to do less.

Once again, show me proof of my agonizing the mods for months and months. No one responded to my request of when I last flamebaited good times, because in all actuality, the perception of me doing it is much greater than my actual actions.

My antagonizing the mods came from the venues listed in my blog. Had I not 'flamebaited' in their minds, and had my thread which has a ton of artistic talent in it not been ruined by moving it the flameboard then yes, I probably could step back.
 
jamal said:
Exactly what lofty standards am I setting. Read My blog, my reasons for Arc hatred are there. It's not lofty by any means. I am not antagonizing the mods, I'm telling them in fact to do less.

Once again, show me proof of my agonizing the mods for months and months. No one responded to my request of when I last flamebaited good times, because in all actuality, the perception of me doing it is much greater than my actual actions.

My antagonizing the mods came from the venues listed in my blog. Had I not 'flamebaited' in their minds, and had my thread which has a ton of artistic talent in it not been ruined by moving it the flameboard then yes, I probably could step back.
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I'm not going to go searching for specifics because I'm at work and don't feel like taking the time. But Jamal honestly, take a gander through some of the things that have gotten you riled that you've taken to Support & Feedback just for an example. Some of those things are littlest things and yet it's like the sky is falling. So many people talk about how rep doesn't mean jack and then we have you getting all sensitive because the mods were playing with their reps. No one was crying when Cmdr's was superbad. These are the kinds of things I'm talking about.

And incidentally, I didn't think the thread you and Audino made needed to be flameboard bound either. Which is why I say both sides have made errors in judgement. Both of you.
 
I agree we both have. I do go overboard, and I apologize for it.

Have I ever been wrong in the things I bring to the table? No. Again, you can disagree with my style, but not my substance.

Also note, I said thankyou after Miros had made the change. I give credit when credit is due.

It is partly my fault, and I do apologize for the tactics taken to get my points across.
 
jamal said:
In response to Miros, I don't need a third party monitoring me. Stuff was not being handled behind closed doors Makelith, we agreed to not contact eachother. The ratedown I gave arc had nothing to do with Arc...it's because of his position and Miros's reason for giving him the 650 point rate up that I did it.

All I've ever asked for is to let us handle ourselves. Had things been handled correctly when I used the correct format for relaying problems on the board, the ratedown for arc would have never happened.
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Italicized: Then we agree more than each other admits and should not be at each other's throats.

jamal said:
Newsflash:

1 month prior to this we were leaked information the moderation staff was waiting for me or my friends to fuckup so they could get at me. I brought it to Miros without making anything public, who said there was nothing of that sort going to happen. Sure enough, as soon as the good times posts by my friends were created, they were deleted. I stuck up for them, and was put on read-only status.

I think demanding an apology is not out of the question.
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One month ago, I was up to my neck in about 3-4 hours of HW a night. My activity on this site dropped to 0 - 1 visit(s) a day. If anyone was waiting on a fuck up, it was for the track record, not a means of setting you up.

Zyndara said:
Jamal, you endlessly antagonize the mods.

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I think both sides are at fault. You're both picking at each other and stomping your feet like little kids. I think you all need to stop taking everything so seriously. Accept that you don't like each other and move the fuck on. Seriously do you really enjoy this back and forth animosity?
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This more than anything. I will try harder to not act a child, but these stupid shenanigan slip ups on both sides need to stop.

jamal said:
Exactly what lofty standards am I setting. Read My blog, my reasons for Arc hatred are there. It's not lofty by any means. I am not antagonizing the mods, I'm telling them in fact to do less.

Once again, show me proof of my agonizing the mods for months and months. No one responded to my request of when I last flamebaited good times, because in all actuality, the perception of me doing it is much greater than my actual actions.

My antagonizing the mods came from the venues listed in my blog. Had I not 'flamebaited' in their minds, and had my thread which has a ton of artistic talent in it not been ruined by moving it the flameboard then yes, I probably could step back.
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We're doing almost nothing at this point Jamal, but it isn't anything to do with you. If you're attempting to get that message across, use S&F without the caustic/sardonic reprimands. Vilurum and Neyla brought a new wave of control to the users, they relaxed moderation everywhere that I didn't -- except GT. I relaxed the FB to nearly nothing, heightened GT to nearly everything, and Vilurum and Neyla have accomplished the rest.

I will point out, one of the reasons you dislike me is because of Reeve's position on language use. You want us to do less? Then you need to take the good with the bad -- we won't play language police for vocabulary and then turn our backs when someone shits all over GT.

Another reason being your Rap Parody thread. If I had to do anything over, the thread would have been soft deleted and not moved. It didn't belong where it was, and if I should earn the hatred (btw, a very strong word, is it really that bad?) at least then that should do it. Yea, it was your thread with a nice precursor, but other people use these forums too and it puts me in a difficult spot to decide when topics are no longer beneficial to everyone.

We have not been scrutinizing you. Every single one of our run ins has come after you bent the rules far enough to break. Your multiple flamebaits in GT, your communicae via signature during your 'vacation' over running the sig size, and other flamebaits elsewhere. Don't discount your contribution to achieving high status with moderation here.

An apology is not too much to ask, but if I give one, I expect one as well Jamal. I think my reasons are fairly straightforward in this single post.

A. I want the bones out of my closet.
B. You're an ok guy when you aren't paranoid we're out to get you.


As for you Garvin, that was fucked up with your account. If my apology meant anything I would offer it, but I wasn't even a moderator back then. If it helps, I think it is awesome you still come to these boards. You had every reason to be pissed off, but you handled it all really well. I know at the very least we're indifferent to each other, but I can say thanks and mean it.
 
Heh, forgot quoting italicizes everything.
 
I have no problem apologizing.

I'm sorry I've been an utter dick and a pain in the ass.

I felt that the paranoia had subsided after Miros gave me his word the mods weren't out to get me. You'll notice that my behavior also had improved then. The Good Times deletion incidents brought me right back where things were, and erased all respect and trust that I had.

Trust and respect are a two way street, and take time to build. I believe we can get over this, and build a mutual trust and respect for eachother.
 
Yea, I've been a dick too, so for that I apologize. That includes my PMs, this post, and all the other run ins where we both had each other on the defensive. I hope we can build that respect. I will try my best.
 
Arctyrael said:
Yea, I've been a dick too, so for that I apologize. That includes my PMs, this post, and all the other run ins where we both had each other on the defensive. I hope we can build that respect. I will try my best.
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As will I.
 
I think that's the most mature and rational resolution I've ever seen happen on the Flameboard. I'm proud of you guys! :biggrin: Hope it's the beginning of a positive change to make the forums less stressful for both of you.
 
Group hug?
 
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