"Good times?" Depends on your perspective I guess

Valandil said:
I share the same attitude as Zyn on this matter. It's precisely this "win at all costs" mentality that enables RMT. If people did not feel it necessary to define themselves as individuals/players by the items they possess, then there would be no RMT because no one would need to buy gil in order to buy the items to make themselves feel more complete or adequate. Does better gear improve your gameplay? Absolutely. But you can still be one hell of an effective player without having the most sought after gear.

My attitude towards the way I play this game has always been this: Which is going to last longer after this game is no longer active; people remembering the "1337" gear I had or people remembering the way I played the game. This is the very essence of the honor that Zy referred to.

I am also of the opinion that once you adopt the mentality of your enemies (i.e. it's okay to steal gear or it's okay to blow up innocent civilizian) you've already taken the first and the largest step to becoming that which you are fighting against. Does this mean I think Kunel is equal to an RMT? Of course not, but it's a very slippery slope. Once you do it the first time, it becomes progressively easier to rationalize. Pretty soon you can justify doing it to a legit player that you just don't like or hardly know. Before you know it, you're doing it all the time to virtually anyone you can con. Just ask anyone who has used cheats/hacks on a regular basis in the past.

I am not a Christian, but perhaps Zyn and others who agree with her are. Being as such, there is one Christian doctrine that I do have a great deal of respect for (when it's upheld) and that is the doctrine that all sin is equal in the eyes of God. There is no distinction between the degree of the sin nor to whom the inequity is performed against. Even if you're not a Chrisitian, the consistency principle of this moral premise carries a lot of weight because sin could just easily be replace with the breaking of a secular law or any other religious/moral code and the absolution of its wrongness is not dimished in the least.
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I respec tand acknowledge this attitude and by no means disagree with its positives. However, i can not stand idley by and watch the same thing happen over and over when odviously all other means of prevention have fallen face flat in the dirt. Cus seriously, has any other method that any player has done effected even as little as this simple thing?

I understand where your comeing from also when you say that once you start theres no stoping in regaurds to the slipery slope. What i like to do is fight fire with fire. I see nothing wrong with going as far to stop somone from doing something to you as doing the same thing back to them. You crossed no boundries, you only matched their hand.

Ya im not the nicest person in the world, but why take shit from people, cus its the politically correct thing to do? screw that, deffend yourself.
 
Turning this into an ethical issue is just silly. When you guys are done trying to compare Byakko Pants to a justification for stealing in general or an overarching maxim that is being willed, get back to playing your pixelated characters and having fun in an obviously pseudo-reality; stop, breathe; look at that fact for a second and then ask yourself if willing that type of maxim is really the best thing to do on an ethical level. A greater question those taking the high ground here ought to be asking themselves is spending days, weeks out of months and money (which yes you have a right to) is being used in the most ethical way by playing this game.

I personally, couldn't care, but if people are going to try to bring in overarching ethical beliefs into this they should ask themselves if they are commiting a performative contradiction in the first place. (Yes, I'm kind of bringing in some of Baja's logic from the Good Times posts here.)

If the game is all about having fun with friends and good times, I personally find great enjoyment in fucking around with RMT, if it means yoinking their Byakko's Haidate then thats what it is.

Enjoy the pants, if anything its a pretty funny story.
 
I dno i guess i think its fun to argue when you think you can call somone out on bull shit. *shrug*

Debatings fun also, not holding any grudges to anyone of corse, cus this is all funny to me XP.


....... YOUR SIG SUCKS MAT!
 
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Your spelling sucks Isac.
 
Mattaru said:
Turning this into an ethical issue is just silly. When you guys are done trying to compare Byakko Pants to a justification for stealing in general or an overarching maxim that is being willed, get back to playing your pixelated characters and having fun in an obviously pseudo-reality; stop, breathe; look at that fact for a second and then ask yourself if willing that type of maxim is really the best thing to do on an ethical level. A greater question those taking the high ground here ought to be asking themselves is spending days, weeks out of months and money (which yes you have a right to) is being used in the most ethical way by playing this game.

I personally, couldn't care, but if people are going to try to bring in overarching ethical beliefs into this they should ask themselves if they are commiting a performative contradiction in the first place. (Yes, I'm kind of bringing in some of Baja's logic from the Good Times posts here.)

If the game is all about having fun with friends and good times, I personally find great enjoyment in fucking around with RMT, if it means yoinking their Byakko's Haidate then thats what it is.

Enjoy the pants, if anything its a pretty funny story.
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I'm simply expressing my opinion, Matt. One that apparently I am not the only one who feels this way about. Please don't take what I'm saying out of context like I'm on some kind of religious crusade. I'm not saying burn the witches and I'm not bible thumping. I'm not talking ethics like someone is going to roast in hell for all eternity because they stole a virtual item in a computer game. I'm talking about the reasonable hope that someone has some kind of integrity as a player. I believe in playing the game by a set of some rules. Not unlike what is asked of athletes who play a game, or even people who play board games with friends. And I believe in not condemning manipulators and shady activities then turning around and stooping as low like somehow it's ok because you're on "the good side."

If cheating/stealing/lying is fun for someone, if that's how they enjoy spending their money per month, regardless of who it's directed at, then bully for them. I'm simply of the opinion that you don't cease having principles when you play a game. I can't stand that people say lolinternet like it gives you a free pass on treating people poorly/doing things you wouldn't ordinarily do.
 
the fuckin kid still gave em 500k... so wtf? they lose 1 out of 82 popsets, 23 mins of time and are +500k, he aided in rmt, so he cut a deal, big fucking whoop, rmt's are still doosh's, and so is this fucking kid for helping them. end of story. i'd replace "this fucking kid" with his name if it was important enough to remember, but its not, so fuck him, fuck rmt, and hey, fuck you too. :banghead3:
 
Zyn: Alot of what I was saying was more pointed to Bajarrat in that thread.

Iso: Imagine someone in the game you really disliked put up their freshly synthed Cursed D Body -1 on the AH to show off and you snagged it from under their nose for much cheaper. Would you be saying "Oh no I aided them" or "Owned".
 
Isomiau said:
the fuckin kid still gave em 500k... so wtf? they lose 1 out of 82 popsets, 23 mins of time and are +500k, he aided in rmt, so he cut a deal, big fucking whoop, rmt's are still doosh's, and so is this fucking kid for helping them. end of story. i'd replace "this fucking kid" with his name if it was important enough to remember, but its not, so fuck him, fuck rmt, and hey, fuck you too. :banghead3:
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well lets see, that set coulda been used on a person willing to pay the whole price they wanted that is sure to happen, so you can either have that, or the 500k steal, you chose.

Try thinkin about the alternative, ass hole
 
Mattaru said:
Iso: Imagine someone in the game you really disliked put up their freshly synthed Cursed D Body -1 on the AH to show off and you snagged it from under their nose for much cheaper. Would you be saying "Oh no I aided them" or "Owned".
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i'd say sux for their luck because they got beat. yeah, they got "owned"
because they're not getting that synth back ever again, but theres a huge difference between pop'n byakko, and pop'n a -1 togi. mainly, cause a rmt aint drop'n a -1 on the ah to get that loleet status on the ah history.

Isac said:
well lets see, that set coulda been used on a person willing to pay the whole price they wanted that is sure to happen, so you can either have that, or the 500k steal, you chose.

Try thinkin about the alternative, ass hole
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lmao...dont you have a married woman or some other cyber slut to occupy your time with? ya fucking clown...the alternative is rmt stay shouting in whitegate/jeuno and accomplish nothing.
 
To me it looks like a "I bought Haidate off of RMT, but since I got a good price, I'm a hero, rather than someone who bought their Haidate" and I don't agree with that logic. You're still running around in pants you didn't work for, you just got a better price than most that deal with RMT. I'd rather earn it, even if it takes awhile.
 
Isomiau said:
lmao...dont you have a married woman or some other cyber slut to occupy your time with? ya fucking clown...the alternative is rmt stay shouting in whitegate/jeuno and accomplish nothing.
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The hippocrisy of that statement makes me laugh uncontrollably. Get over yourself you egotistical dirt bag. Just cus i have an ingame relationship doesnt mean you know anything about what i do in my free time so dont judge me so quickly. So go ahead and jack off to your mithra.

People are gona buy gil and items and theres nothin you can do about it, all im saying is im glad to see the RMT didnt get their way for once. So b4 you shoot your mouth off, like you always do thinkin you know everything, try gettin your facts straight.



Im done with this flameboard shit, all iv done is make enemies here. gg all
 
Isac said:
The hippocrisy of that statement makes me laugh uncontrollably. Get over yourself you egotistical dirt bag. Just cus i have an ingame relationship doesnt mean you know anything about what i do in my free time so dont judge me so quickly. So go ahead and jack off to your mithra.

People are gona buy gil and items and theres nothin you can do about it, all im saying is im glad to see the RMT didnt get their way for once. So b4 you shoot your mouth off, like you always do thinkin you know everything, try gettin your facts straight.



Im done with this flameboard shit, all iv done is make enemies here. gg all
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what hypocrisy? you getting shat on by a married broad in england makes me laugh uncontrollably. so quickly he says, like we never talked b4....and i know i dont know everything, but i know a lil bit bout everything, and my facts are on point bitch, hows meg?

welcome to the flameboard kid, maybe think twice b4 callin someone an asshole next time...
 
Isomiau said:
what hypocrisy? you getting shat on by a married broad in england makes me laugh uncontrollably. so quickly he says, like we never talked b4....and i know i dont know everything, but i know a lil bit bout everything, and my facts are on point bitch, hows meg?

welcome to the flameboard kid, maybe think twice b4 callin someone an asshole next time...
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you tell me considering your so desperate you hang out in the same vent server as she does even tho you got kicked/left that shell.

I never started bringing up personal shit in here but grow some balls to talk to me in game if you have any questions about it pussy.
 
Garvin said:
What applies to players does not necessarily apply to non-players.
Gil farmers are not players.

Everything you're saying would be 100% absolutely true if RMT had the slightest hint of legitimacy to them. They do not.
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agreed
 
Isac said:
you tell me considering your so desperate you hang out in the same vent server as she does even tho you got kicked/left that shell.

I never started bringing up personal shit in here but grow some balls to talk to me in game if you have any questions about it pussy.
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Dont make me take you outside and beat you over the head like red headed step child blaze... its going down!!!! DOWNTOWN BISH!
 
Isac said:
you tell me considering your so desperate you hang out in the same vent server as she does even tho you got leftthat shell.

I never started bringing up personal shit in here but grow some balls to talk to me in game if you have any questions about it pussy.
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derail agogo... same server, different channels. yea, i like to talk to my friends for free, and not having a keyboard, vents really really nice. (for the 322nd time thx TK) aaaaaand isn't this the same vent server you frequented caaaaaause...? riiight, you wanted to fuck some more pixels.

like, i dont get where youre trying to go with this? ya sling half assed unsubstantiated insults y? cause u got your cyberheat broke and you dont want qcdn to know? cause all a sudden they care. kids like you are a dime a dozen round here. all you need now is to post bout how your account got hacked and you have no idea how... but but but she said she <3'd meeeeee ;;


edit: and stop sending me f'n tells, i cant type nor ss this shit, started on the fb it can end on the fb.... (almost forgot to call you a bad name) fuckin skirt.
 
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