"Good times?" Depends on your perspective I guess

Bajaratt said:
Mattaru can back me up on this, majority rule isn't inherently a good thing. Any legit society has a mechanism to check the majority rule if necessary.

Vocal minority, you always get congrats posts in any good times thread while few flames, they're just idiots, or they just cheer anything bad that happens to gil sellers regardless of how shady the OP was in what they did. Take you pick, either way, it's still not any kind of majority you'd base a decision off of. It's not majority rule, because the majority isn't following the rule, they're just not mad at someone being a vigilante.
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I never said it was inherently a good thing. I said that is how society usually solves its problems when there isn't any law, or a law isn't being enforced. Society doesn't alway do the "good" thing they do the "right" thing for the most people.

Just because people approve of stealing from a stealer, does not mean they have to steal themselves. Just because someone approves of the death penalty, or a life-time jail sentence does not mean they have to kill a criminal or lock someone up. In majority rules all that is required is their approval.
 
I stopped reading this thread, but yeah Baja is right. Even utilitarians like John Stuart Mill believed there needed to be mechanisms to control tyranny of the majority. On a social level majority opinion is different in creating values, but thats different.

Most calculations of utility about what is good or right for society is usually a crapshoot to a large degree because none of us can read crystal balls. Besides the Iraq War, Dear Bill Maher I used the whack-a-mole analogy 3 years ago in a debate round stop stealing my material.
 
This still going on? I stopped reading when Matt said he was done with the thread. I lost my fun at that moment. ; ;
 
Tec said:
Throw me on this hate list.
Although I got mine for free.
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So are we looking for epeen+1 from jacking haidate from RMT or jacking items from KSNM?
 
I didn't know the whole RMT issue is moral and ethical issue..since I'm getting that thought from people
 
Just out of curiousity, how many of the people bitching about morals and stealing also download music, movies, manga, etc. online from p2p networks and programs? I bet it's a good majority if not all.
 
Lavi said:
Just out of curiousity, how many of the people bitching about morals and stealing also download music, movies, manga, etc. online from p2p networks and programs? I bet it's a good majority if not all.
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I don't I do blockbuster online rentals for movies and get music from I-Tunes 99 cents! Not huge on magna so neither on that one.
 
Lavi said:
Just out of curiousity, how many of the people bitching about morals and stealing also download music, movies, manga, etc. online from p2p networks and programs? I bet it's a good majority if not all.
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Because everyone has to be a hypocrite, right? I for one, don't. And I'm sure there are others who don't. Don't be so sure you're right about this subject that you slap a label on everyone, because that's pretty much ridiculous. There are people left in the world who have some integrity.
 
Lavi said:
Just out of curiousity, how many of the people bitching about morals and stealing also download music, movies, manga, etc. online from p2p networks and programs? I bet it's a good majority if not all.
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The issue as I understood it, was people applauding the stealing/scamming and not recognizing for what it actually was. Not this. It's quite different...
 
Those that think what the OP did was "cool" are weak. If you wish to make the world a better place then stop the cycle of hatred or vengeance or whatever would make YOU feel better...pretty selfish. A strength comes from doing what is not easy in a given situation such as this. A choice opportunity to fuck someone over and for what? i mean REALLY..what did you lower yourself for? What did you compromise your integrity for? do you really need acceptance from ppl that bad in this game? I mean thats the only reason I can see for you keeping the pants...a trophy for screwing RMT. And you ppl that actually believe that RMT arent real players therefore they are fair game is just bullshit. They ARE real players at the end of a game controller just like you with a few tools that you dont have. I dont sympathize with them at all..but i dont see them bullshitting themselves about certain given realities either. They cheat and have fucked me without kissing first many times...But im not kidding myself as to what they are (human beings that get paid to play) and i sure as hell wont lower myself to thier tactics.
 
Jazzy said:
But im not kidding myself as to what they are (human beings that get paid to play)
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Just for clarification, if that's what you believe, then you are kidding yourself. In the grand scheme of things, many RMT are little more than supervised bots, with several of them to one person. Also none of the RMT are "paid to play ffxi". They are being paid to use the FFXI client as a tool to make gil, which will be sold. As ridiculous as I feel your other statements are, this one is simply incorrect.
 
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