Grrrr...... Ninjas.... How I loath thee

From what I understand, you don't need any tanks in merit parties, since everything is so damn easy. Yet the only reason ninja still gets steady invites is because they can aid the party greatly in DoT, and while blinking hits away for the hell of it.

It'd probably help if SE made some higher tier incredibily tough mobs by 75 standards.

Stocking up on 800 defense and tons of vit seems to go to complete and utter waste in the realm of merit parties from what I hear/see. Plds can be stubbern people, using nothing but a sword and shield their entire career for every single thing they do. By 74/75, more of you guys need to buy haubs/brynies, try /nin, try and greatswords, and probably some other stuff I don't know about.

The all defense and no attack pld goes to waste very much against VTs and low incs.

I'd be interested to see a pld/mnk @ 75 in action too if they could do it, be it with or without a thief.

I like plds a lot, but some plds out there really need to expand their range of options as to what they can offer. Sort of like the same principal as good DDs; we level as much as 2 to 5 to subs for xp, have many gear swaps, and often level up several weapons to their cap. Drks for example often level scythe, greatsword, sword, and axe(for use with /nin).

I think it may help if more plds followed the same patterns good players in other jobs do. Skillup and level up several things in order to be flexible. Not to say I'm against the /war and sword+shield combo, but that's not all there is to pld. Plds these days are held to the same standards as DDs are, to be flexible to fit more situations.
 
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Oh hush! Eor You were a PLD 1st, then caved to the preasure of becoming a NIN!

PLD FO LIFE!!!

And to address what you said Jag thats is Is intirely true. But can you honestly say that PLD/NIN, PLD/MNK, or PLD/THF would even be viable in a EXP situation, not only that but would you ever invite a PLD/???...... Most of the General population of this game would look at a PLD/MNK with a party flag up and just laugh and call the PLD a noob

As for DD gear im trying to get some stuff Anemit mantle, Scorpion harness, Optical hat, Balan's Sword or Nagan (whichever i can get my hands on 1st), But when it comes to Dealing damage feel like a noob cause i dont know much about that aspect of the game
 
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Claudhert said:
Oh hush! Eor You were a PLD 1st, then caved to the preasure of becoming a NIN!

PLD FO LIFE!!!
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I plan to level pld very high actually after I get some of my current 66+ jobs to 75 and have more time ;p I'm not one of those people that avoids grouping with plds, I have apperiation for tanks in general. However, the typical plds I've seen don't make themselves very flexible to fit many situations.

But I'd like if some plds addressed claims I made on my post at the top of page 3 regarding being flexible to better fit xp @ 75 situations.
 
evanos said:
For gods yes, I will admit that hands down PLD > NIN, but when you're talking about EXP party there are more things to consider than just hate.
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If Paladins do not get any EXP, then they cannot be expected to die for you on your gods or Dynamis runs. Want them to give up EXP, then they must be given the chance to recoup the loss.
 
Beka said:
If Paladins do not get any EXP, then they cannot be expected to die for you on your gods or Dynamis runs. Want them to give up EXP, then they must be given the chance to recoup the loss.
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AMEN!!!!! PREACH IT!!
 
Beka said:
If Paladins do not get any EXP, then they cannot be expected to die for you on your gods or Dynamis runs. Want them to give up EXP, then they must be given the chance to recoup the loss.
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Yet there are dozens of 75PLDs who get by without bitching about it.
 
here the problem nin dont need mp, nin dont take hits, nin it much harder and faster the pal = more dot and more exp. someone said exp is exp yes but more exp is always better the little exp. A way they can fix this is to allow more exp for diverse partys. In a diverse party pal normally better because of hate issue. Will just have wait to see what the expansion has to give us.
 
Where are all the whm's speaking out against the implication that whm's choose ninja so they can be lazy?
Argh, please any PLD that cares to hear my P.O.V. listen. If you are a WHM, the tank you party with should not matter. I know it doesn't for me atleast. However, it is all preferential. Having a Ninja allows me a wider spectrum of things to do. Compare:

Ninja Party:
I can haste all the melee if I'm not being ADD.
I can do things like Dia when no RDM in PT.
I am able to rest more frequently during the fight as to not run out of MP.
Regen III is able to be cast on more than just a PLD
I can use Flash - yay.

PLD Party:
Regen III on the tank.
Haste when MP is available.
Several cures throughout the fight on PLDs
Increases my reliance on RDM and/or BRD.

Some my argue that on paper I can do all things I do for one, on the other. However, in practice - casting time and MP usages are huge factors. It is just not as efficient to Haste cycle in PLD pt because of the costs of Haste added with the costs of curing.

So the next time you want to bash Ninja, please refrain from jabbing the WHM job in the side.
 
Alright granted as a whm you can do more things with the party in general with a nin tank then a pld one. But....if you're in said pt with the pld and you have a brd or rdm in the pt, then why in the world would you want to bother with doing all of that stuff considering that requiem is so much better then dia. The brd can do dot, haste, regen, debuff mob, hence thereforth leaving you to do the curing job which is what you were invited for.

<.< Unless......you get bored just healing people....Awwww whine and complain. Now I don't mean to be so harsh considering that besides brd my other fave job is whm and i do appreciate a nin in the pt. And granted it does make it so the whms can be lazy bastards, or to do more then they could have before. Just don't whine about what you can't do in the pld pt when if having said brd they can do all the other stuff soooo much better. Personally i prefer pld tanks anywaysy.
 
Whms shouldnt even be in Ninja partys unless it's absolutely needed (Cocks in Kuftal) Decent Ninjas only need a RDM. Whm is a waste of a slot in a Ninja tank party.

As far as gods go, in full emnity Ninja can rip hate off a PLD with ease, then again we have to give up alot of nice stats to get a good Emnity/ -Phys Dmg set up but I can tank gods just fine with a PLD or Ninja partner. Sure if they hit me I am fucked but it's my job to keep them from hitting me too much =p
 
Not sure where the actual source of the information someone gave me comes from, but I heard that PLD will be obtaining an ability that will work the same as "provoke".

If this is actually the case, I think that PLDs might have a bit of an easier time getting a party because they no longer have to rely on having WAR sub. Personally i'd take either MNK or NIN sub, as I see advantages to both these subs. I think its also possible to try out other subs and make the party a little more interesting.

Anyways in regards to Ninjas... I think they could make great DDs, and utilize their ranged attack to do a lot more damage (i'm not 100% sure but I believe they have a lot of potential for ranged?) But when it comes to tanking, in my experience I haven't had a party where I can say NIN tank > PLD tank. I've seen too many deaths with a NIN tank because they either can't hold hate, or they themselves just can't take hits when their abilities wear off.

Hopefully though SE will allow for higher lvl mobs to XP off so that a PLD tank could be needed at the higher lvls for XP parties.
 
I'm not whining and complaining here. I'm simply stating, i can make more use of the spells SE gave me access to with a Ninja. If any melee here wants to complain about me being able to haste them - by all means, I'll add you to my "Do not haste" list.

Dia stacks with requiem. When you have no RDM, I can cast Dia II.

And yes, it is rather boring JUST healing people. When I can mindlessly remove a status ailment in less than 2 seconds after I see the effect, or Cure V immediately after a Condemnation (Demon mobs in Uleguerand) you look for other things to do... So sue me, SE made WHM mundane and stupid.

Ninja allows me to exploit more opportunities, which to me does not make the mark a lazy whm.
 
Vang, you are under the impression every ninja party has a RDM. What about NIN-BRD? You may have an opinion, but it isn't always right -.-
 
lol sorry didn't mean to seem so harsh on you Arc. Just been in to many pts with nin tanking and the whm just sat around doing jack...And i as the brd ended up doing most of the healing.

Thank god for ballad 1 and 2, but especially if i put on dragonfoe mambo the nin just doesn't take hits so the whms sit around doing squat. If you don't i applaud you whole-heartedly and i'd love to pt with you lol
 
Ugotjacked said:
Agreed Paladin holds hate much better.

What i dont understnad is paldins ahve like 750 defense and a shitload of vitality and they still take 100 dmg per hit shouldnt it be less? I have like 299 defense and i take like 150ish per shot in exp on weapons whyt is it with well beyond double the defense and vitality Paladins still take 100 dmg?
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lv 65 pld with brd hume tacos full buffs = 777 def
 
Arctyrael said:
Vang, you are under the impression every ninja party has a RDM. What about NIN-BRD? You may have an opinion, but it isn't always right -.-
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I said all a decent Ninja NEEDS is a RDM you dolt, don't tell me what impression I am under. Bard is the best option but rare, WHMs and RDMs are not as rare. You think after being a 75 Ninja for a year now I don't know Bards are the best option?

Use your fucking head pal.
 
vang said:
Whms shouldnt even be in Ninja partys unless it's absolutely needed (Cocks in Kuftal) Decent Ninjas only need a RDM. Whm is a waste of a slot in a Ninja tank party.
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I was with a PLD and guess what we had no rdm or whm or smn we had a..... BRD and PLd main healed had ballad on and capped staff skill what helps as -20% damage plus mp from WS
the exp plugin is not perfect but it said we where doing 7k hr this was at 64 ish
PLDs get more exp a hr then a nin but heres the hard part... you need to do your job and have exliars for the hard times.
 
Always quick to curse. Which is why you are an asshole.

I've had my fair share of 'decent ninjas' and they all appreciate a good whm. I am so fucking tired of this damn streotype that all party's problems are because of the whms. I can't wait until ToAU so that WHM finally becomes the main healer once again, and RDM can stop being our replacement. I just love when a party with RDM heal asks me for RIII -.-;

Anytime Inubabe, I'd love to.
Fuck you Vang.
 
As a 75 WHM and NIN, I have to agree that WHM isnt need unless you need Stona when you have NIN tank. When I do go xp/merit with WHM (haven't happened since I got NIN to 75) I much rather have PLD tank, it makes me feel useful actually.
 
Some one said Tauo is a no sj area? well if so yay plds will tank nins will did finaly lol and wars be a tank againn ^^
 
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