Handling Misconduct (Jan. 22)

[Dejavu]

Seems like if you recieved an item that was duped and they can prove it you are getting a permaban and if you were in a group that duped an item u are getting a letter or a temp ban more or less...

 

[Tsaku]

Honestly it is stupid of se to ban these people. It flaw in SE programing they should have caught it. To ban some best and longest customers is stupid. Good thing I don't do salvage. Because I know for a fact I would have used it had I known about it.

It's more a mater of SE banning people for playing outside the rules of the game. I'm gonna use a fairly bad analogy here but it's the closest I can think of, it's kinda like a player getting kicked out of a football game for misconduct.

As for SE catching the bug, well working in the industry where it's been my job to find bugs, as a tester you only have so much time before the product is supposed to be shipped. I think we also have to remember although SE's a large company, the testers and dev's are still human and can miss things. In a perfect world no title would release with any bugs.

Do I think SE should have perma-banned accounts for using the exploit, in a word no. Were the players who used the exploit wrong for using it, yes. Personally I think SE should just rollback their characters to before the exploiting happened.

 

[Tristam Green]

Honestly it is stupid of se to ban these people. It flaw in SE programing they should have caught it. To ban some best and longest customers is stupid. Good thing I don't do salvage. Because I know for a fact I would have used it had I known about it.

Glad to know you condone using exploits in gaming, hells :|

 

[pchan]

It flaw in SE programing they should have caught it. To ban some best and longest customers is stupid.

1) They caught the bug, too late. People used it to do exploits w/o warning the (endgame)community nor SE. When they duped some macha's coat they were well aware of what they were doing, and didn't go "oops, bug lol, 3 macha's coats".

2) what does "best and longest" player mean ? Just because you have a relic or two you are worth more than others ? I mean wtf ... you are paying the same bill as everyone else. SE banning 500 players has ZERO impact on them wether it being endgame populace or lv30 rdm with no subjob farming crawlers. Because they ban the exact same amount of rmt every month.

 

[hellstorm]

Miraun[/URL]]Look, 3 things are required to commit a crime / fraudulent action:

1) Pressure/Incentive
2) Opportunity
3) Rationalization

You can argue all you want under rationalization, but Square Enix made 0 attempts to negate the other two, controllable circumstances regarding the duplication of salvage drops.

1) Pressure/incentive.
We have seen multiple posts across BG, as well as in this thread, regarding the drop rates in some salvage areas. Neosutra went 1/225 on Usukane Body, I'm still 0/225 on Ares Legs. I've only obtained 2 complete pieces in over a year of Salvage runs.

Square Enix made no attempts to alter drop rates, even after recognizing them as a problem.

2) Opportunity
The bug of duplicating items in a single alliance instanced zone has existed since the creation such zones. These types of zones can be traced back as far as assaults with the release of Treasures of Aht Urghan in 2006. This means that the opportunity has existed for approximately 2.5 years, unmitigated.

Square Enix made no attempts during this time to fix the code. Nor did their Quality Assurance team do an adequate job assessing the risks, problems, and errors that are prevalent in their code.


3) Morales

Question this all you want. Morales are uncontrollable by Square Enix. The other two are very controllable and could have been prevented. Any good company with decent controls over output can prevent breaches like this from occurring. I see no reason why Square Enix is allowed to continue to put subpar practices in action, and then take it out on the player base after they've harbored such actions.

This guy said it best on bg. It not like this exploit only been out a month it been out for years. What next banning for wall of justice and kiting despot and faust around teleporter and trees. Or everyone that used the whitegate to nashmu boat. If anything they should of took the gear or temp ban. Never go for the big stick. SE just pissed because people found away get around there horible drop rates.

 

[Myrrh]

Yes, it's retarded that SE left this glitch open for so long but it's also retarded that people abused it like a bad child. Just because it's there doesn't mean you should do it.

 

[Dayner]

in the end SE kept their promise ;p

 

[Uzor]

This guy said it best on bg. It not like this exploit only been out a month it been out for years. What next banning for wall of justice and kiting despot and faust around teleporter and trees. Or everyone that used the whitegate to nashmu boat. If anything they should of took the gear or temp ban. Never go for the big stick. SE just pissed because people found away get around there horible drop rates.

the reason it has been out for years without se taking action is because no one reported the exploit. They chose to abuse it.

 

[Dejavu]

I am still waiting til NA prime when we start finding out who from quetz or major players from other servers were banned since this kinda happened in the middle of the night. I bet most are still dreaming of claiming Nid at work, school or still asleep unknown to them they are already banned.

Hope they are having sweet dreams.

 

[hellstorm]

Yes, it's retarded that SE left this glitch open for so long but it's also retarded that people abused it like a bad child. Just because it's there doesn't mean you should do it.

You would think SE would think "hey maybe all these people are doing this for a reason, maybe are drop rate are alittle low maybe we should correct this." Nope instead they ban, ban, ban, and when no one left to play the game the look around and say what went wrong. Just show you where SE have there priorities.

 

[Myrrh]

It sounds like you're expecting common sense from SE. Really? I mean really?

 

[Cerato]

Ha-fucking-ha. Those crying that it’s SE’s fault is hysterical. These must be the same people who sue Gillette for cutting themselves shaving because the blades were too sharp. Psst….It’s called accountability.

 

[Uzor]

You would think SE would think "hey maybe all these people are doing this for a reason, maybe are drop rate are alittle low maybe we should correct this." Nope instead they ban, ban, ban, and when no one left to play the game the look around and say what went wrong. Just show you where SE have there priorities.

Drop rate is only bad if you suck or are lazy.

Psst; If you want Salvage gear, no cheats involved, send me a PM or tell.

 

[pchan]

I am still waiting til NA prime when we start finding out who from quetz or major players from other servers were banned since this kinda happened in the middle of the night. I bet most are still dreaming of claiming Nid at work, school or still asleep unknown to them they are already banned.

Hope they are having sweet dreams.

Nidhogg has been killed earlier and made me a sexy monk.

 

[Zyndara]

You would think SE would think "hey maybe all these people are doing this for a reason, maybe are drop rate are alittle low maybe we should correct this." Nope instead they ban, ban, ban, and when no one left to play the game the look around and say what went wrong. Just show you where SE have there priorities.

Maybe what you should be thinking is "hey, maybe not everyone is meant to have this gear" instead of "hey this takes work - let me do something I know isn't right so that I can shortcut."

Also, there's going to be bugs to be fixed in every game. It's impossible to find everything. And I'm going to bet the people benefitting from it weren't going to hurry to let SE know it was happening. It was likely someone bragging about it to the wrong person or someone with... brace yourself... ethics (yes, you can even have them in a video game) bringing it to their attention. Once they knew about it, they fixed it and rightfully disciplined the people who were cheating and knew they were doing so.

 

[Ata]

I know about 3-5 relic accounts on Alexander that may have gotten perma for this.

I don't agree with exploiting a 'known' glitch. However a perma ban on 100-400 people would be an incredibly stupid thing to do from Square Enix's side.
When they should of fixed this glitch a long time ago.

 

[Ata]

Oh, just read.

Grats Pchan.

 

[Uzor]

Grats pchan.

How long 'till Kenkonken? XD

 

[Davion]

This situation reminds me of the Bait Car show on truTV aka courtTV where people take a car with keys in it and the police shut the car down remotely and the criminals get caught and try to act like it was nothing or blame the "person" the left the keys in the car.

Who knows, this might have been an SE trap, but SE isn't that clever...

 

[Meikolia]

Here's the reality. Salvage is supposed to take time. You're actually supposed to put some dedication into. It's supposed to make you want to throw your controller at the screen.

Should SE have caught the bug a long time ago? Yep. Now everyone who abused it is going to suffer, because in the minds of SE it was there but they didn't expect the players to take advantage of their mistake. (I know silly right) The accounts that are getting banned honestly, will just show you who actually worked and put in time for the things they wanted vs. the people who wanted a quick fix and said "Look I got Usukane in a week!" I think that is so insane I can't stomach it.

Granted it's SE's fault for not paying attention and having crappy programmers, however YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO USE IT. If you got busted tough shit you shouldn't have cheated. Perhaps it was done as a temptation. Perhaps SE knew it was there all a long (I doubted) but maybe it was a test of your moral.