Hauby Vs. Byrnie

Reko said:
As far as NQ's go.
10 attack and 3 vit is not better than 10 accuracy, 2 str and 8 dex.
(Yes 8, since you loose 3 dex w/ Byrnie but get 5 with Hauby)
With the exception of a very few WS's.
I only know 1 WS by heart that uses str and vit though, so for SATA Steel Cyclone I'd rather use Byrnie, but Haubergeon at all other times.

Pretty much the same goes for HQ, depending on how much ACC gear you have.
If you have PCC, Sniper x2 and a life belt, i guess you will get by just fine in a Byrnie+1.
But then again, there are much better things than acc to have for belt and rings. And DEX is better than VIT for DD anyway so...
If you go with hauby, you could use 2x Victory Rings instead of Snipers and end up with same acc, but 10 more str (9 if we're talking HQ bodies)...
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if you have pcc sniperx2 and a life belt, why would you use byrnie? go haubergeon and haste build. Berserk and minuets are enough if you need to up attack. If you don't want to haste build and need the attack from the byrnie badly, go haub, wear all that acc+ and eat meat. And if your concern is Cyclone, macro in osode or something.
 
Andreva said:
That's why you have /nin and utsusemi. I don't really agree with the whole "war/nin" mentality most of the time, but the blink is rather practical if you lack any degree of personal hate control.
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I used to think this same way also. but now that i have been lvl'n as war/nin i love it. my character is a galka and without shadows i would get hit quite abit. even with a damn good tank ill pull hate quite a bit if i don't turn around and let the hate build on the tank. i just like the shadows cuz they save my ass from some hard hits usually after a power WS which allows me to cancel out berserk
 
i got my war to 70 with /nin from 32+ and i used Hubby/SH/bryine a good war has everything for tanking DDing and semi tank/dd like a nin should be to lol :P
 
blazn said:
i got my war to 70 with /nin from 32+ and i used Hubby/SH/bryine a good war has everything for tanking DDing and semi tank/dd like a nin should be to lol :P
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Rhaddy said:
if you have pcc sniperx2 and a life belt, why would you use byrnie? go haubergeon and haste build. Berserk and minuets are enough if you need to up attack. If you don't want to haste build and need the attack from the byrnie badly, go haub, wear all that acc+ and eat meat. And if your concern is Cyclone, macro in osode or something.
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I never said I would, I said you could use Byrnie if you have alot of other ACC gear.
Since the person who started the thread asked which was better for his war which he is leveling I find it very hard to see how he could use an Osode...
And, this might be a shocker, not everyone have an Osode.
Same goes with haste gear, not much haste to get in the late 50's early 60's or w/e level his war might be.

And no, I'm not concerned about steel cyclone, but thanks for asking.
 
In all honesty you probably won't notice a huge difference between the two unless you whiff a lot, then go for the hauby. If you have good accuracy, go for whichever you think looks cooler =o

For maximizing WS dmg I highly suggest going to decidence's site and calculating it to figure out which will be the best. www.decidence.co.nr <-- check it D:
 
Rhaddy said:
if you have pcc sniperx2 and a life belt, why would you use byrnie? go haubergeon and haste build. Berserk and minuets are enough if you need to up attack. If you don't want to haste build and need the attack from the byrnie badly, go haub, wear all that acc+ and eat meat. And if your concern is Cyclone, macro in osode or something.
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Most haste gear is expensive and/or hard to get... and what good is hitting that fast if you're going to whiff most of the time? You have to sacrifice Optical Hat and Life Belt for two major Haste slots (Wahlahra Turban/Panther+1 and Swift/Speed Belt), which means you're pretty much forced to go with Sushi if you want a Haste setup.
 
Tagrineth said:
Most haste gear is expensive and/or hard to get... and what good is hitting that fast if you're going to whiff most of the time? You have to sacrifice Optical Hat and Life Belt for two major Haste slots (Wahlahra Turban/Panther+1 and Swift/Speed Belt), which means you're pretty much forced to go with Sushi if you want a Haste setup.
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Yes, that's the cost of using haste gear. the benefit of using haste gear is more dot faster tp, and less damage taken by being able to get utsu up. If you merit axe and sword, you won't be missing much in haste gear setup, esp with some agg merits.

I also mentioned that if you don't want to get haste set up, you can go ACC and use meat and not worry about the lost of attack from not using a brynie.

Reko said:
I never said I would, I said you could use Byrnie if you have alot of other ACC gear.
Since the person who started the thread asked which was better for his war which he is leveling I find it very hard to see how he could use an Osode...
And, this might be a shocker, not everyone have an Osode.
Same goes with haste gear, not much haste to get in the late 50's early 60's or w/e level his war might be.

And no, I'm not concerned about steel cyclone, but thanks for asking.
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No it's not a suprise, and no i didn't say you specifically should use it. I was only stating as a hypothetical ("if.") The you in that response meant more like "warriors who want to use brynie for the reason of WSing."

But you're the one who put it in a context where you have all those items available. If you have money for all those acc items, there are osodes for sale in bat downs for 60~70 mil. I did not mean to come off as pretentious, but I was strictly talking about the comparisson between Hauby +1 and Byrine +1 and haub and brynie. When you're talking about those items, in a situation where you can afford Haub +1, pcc, etc, i think you can consider that you're relatively close to being able to get Osode and haste gear. Dusk hands and feet are only about 6 mil, which is a lot less than a PCC. Swift belt is free, and so is the new Walhara Turban. If you have enough resources to access all those acc items and haub +1, you should be able to find yourself into one of the multiple sky shells that we have now and work yourself to a byakko haidate and a osode or nbody.

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thanks for your private message blazn. 12k per hour solo is pretty amazing.
 
at 75 for war, byrnie > haub for TP build, STR/DEX is overrated for TP build IMO

attack & haste are priorities for tp build, then str/atk/acc for WS gear

when you're pounding haste build for WAR (which you should be if you wanna compete with MNK's and NIN's in a parser), you will start to notice that you're sacrificing attack in certain areas (a.celata/af2/cosciales/a.sollerets = 31 attack, turban/dusk/haidate/unicorn = 16% haste)

this is why byrnie > haub for TP build, and why maneater or jugg > woodvilles in mainhand, when you pound a haste setup to the point of being ridiculous, you'll notice your attack will suffer (when I say suffer, I am refering to dipping below 400 base pre-food)

with the right gear, you should be able to keep your attack around 420-430 with a strong haste + attack setup
 
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Ofcourse, you don't need Optical Hat or Life belt if you're sporting PCA/PCC. Diabolos' Earring is great for misc. Accuracy unless you've gotten yourself Triumphs and wanna wear them over it for normal Melee for some off-the-wall reason.
 
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Reality said:
at 75 for war, byrnie > haub for TP build, STR/DEX is overrated for TP build IMO

attack & haste are priorities for tp build, then str/atk/acc for WS gear

when you're pounding haste build for WAR (which you should be if you wanna compete with MNK's and NIN's in a parser), you will start to notice that you're sacrificing attack in certain areas (a.celata/af2/cosciales/a.sollerets = 31 attack, turban/dusk/haidate/unicorn = 16% haste)

this is why byrnie > haub for TP build, and why maneater or jugg > woodvilles in mainhand, when you pound a haste setup to the point of being ridiculous, you'll notice your attack will suffer (when I say suffer, I am refering to dipping below 400 base pre-food)

with the right gear, you should be able to keep your attack around 420-430 with a strong haste + attack setup
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you're sacrificing 12.5 accuracy to use byrnie over hauberk for 10 extra attack. if you're pounding haste. that's a lot of accuracy considering you're not getting any other than pcc, snipers, and aggresor, merits, and sushi. If you're worried about keeping your attack up, bard (you can have this)
 
Rhaddy said:
you're sacrificing 12.5 accuracy to use byrnie over hauberk for 10 extra attack. if you're pounding haste. that's a lot of accuracy considering you're not getting any other than pcc, snipers, and aggresor, merits, and sushi. If you're worried about keeping your attack up, bard (you can have this)
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If you can't hit merit mobs with PCC, Snipers, aggressor, merits, and sushi, you phail.
 
merits + sushi, and RKCollar, Swift Belt, Maneater (+5) is all I need to land full rampages about 95% of the time in sky/u.range/TAU zones

sometimes in u.range i'll put my a.mufflers on instead of AF2 for a little bit more accuracy, but i rarely exp there so it's a non-issue
 
Tagrineth said:
If you can't hit merit mobs with PCC, Snipers, aggressor, merits, and sushi, you phail.
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so i take it you can hit lurkers for 90%+ acc without o hat and lifebelt, and some madrigals and gravity?

I never said it was about not being able to hit, I said you're losing 12.5 acc for 10 attack. that's not an equal trade off. If you're putting on haste and losing acc, you'll be hardpressed to land around higher than 90% even with all those merits and acc+. With a haste set up, you actually really need to balance the accuracy more than make up for the attack you lose, because you're gonna make up the attack in DOT and the amount of times you WS anyways. Even if your base attack drops below 400, you will make it up because your brd will sing mins and you will be attacking more.

Real and I have about the same merit buildup. He has one more point in str, and i have 3/3 agg 4 DA instead of 2/2, 4, 1 warcry... But real, if you're so convinced about brynie over haub in those situations... why do you still use haub?
 
Real and I have about the same merit buildup. He has one more point in str, and i have 3/3 agg 4 DA instead of 2/2, 4, 1 warcry... But real, if you're so convinced about brynie over haub in those situations... why do you still use haub?
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because there are more activities end-game besides meriting on T-VT mobs that basically require you to eat Sushi for all of your accuracy needs

if I was going to merit on VT+ to IT, I'd use Hauby, but stuff that gives me 95% accuracy with sushi + 22acc in gear, i'd use a Byrnie
 
Reality said:
because there are more activities end-game besides meriting on T-VT mobs that basically require you to eat Sushi for all of your accuracy needs

if I was going to merit on VT+ to IT, I'd use Hauby, but stuff that gives me 95% accuracy with sushi + 22acc in gear, i'd use a Byrnie
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And if those other activities involve mobs harder than VT you'd still be better off w/ 9 less attack and 10 more acc even eating sushi wouldn't you?

Seriously, what is giving you 95% with sushi +22acc that you're using byrnie in? Coffer mobs?
 
on weapons in sky you need like no acc at all go full haste for sure a nin can get over 40% haste (5% legs 3% feet 5% head 6% waiste 3% head 20% earring)+ the brd song of haste+ whm/rdm haste + DW4 + there chain mail whats another 5% whats basicly 2 katans at the speed of 2/3 of one katana if i worked that out right.
So wars need to get haste gear but i rather hit for 300 every 12seconds then hit got 200 every 9 seconds
 
blazn said:
on weapons in sky you need like no acc at all go full haste for sure a nin can get over 40% haste (5% legs 3% feet 5% head 6% waiste 3% head 20% earring)+ the brd song of haste+ whm/rdm haste + DW4 + there chain mail whats another 5% whats basicly 2 katans at the speed of 2/3 of one katana if i worked that out right.
So wars need to get haste gear but i rather hit for 300 every 12seconds then hit got 200 every 9 seconds
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