Have the times really changed this much?

[Kotsu]

I've learned that, truthfully, the only way to avoid idiots is to lock yourself in your room and stare at a all. They're everywhere, including FFXI. It's the risk you take once you sign in. However, your misery has informed me to avoid Ferque at all costs. Thanks for that lol

 

[hellstorm]

A bard has a drastically lower MP pool than a summoner does, as well as their only healing abilities come from their sub job. Summoners' have the most MP of any job, and several blood pacts they can use to help support the party as a healer. Throw in the fact that I'm usually too busy buffing everyone and now pulling, you'd have to be brain dead to think I'd have enough time to be a useful healer.

It is stupid for a SMN to refuse to heal, because there's really nothing else that they're very good at. Their damage blood pacts are pathetic until the level 70 ones, and even then, they get beat by any half-decent DD just auto attacking. I was tanking a party on ninja one time against lesser colbiri(I was 58), with 2 smn's in the party. They claimed that "I'd see the power of SMN," and all they did was do damage pacts, because they got a rdm to heal us. I parsed the party, and I did more than both of their damage combined, without even blade: jin to help me out. So yeah, SMN's job is to sit back and heal, whereas bard's is not.

First off Smn are a hybrid and can do both decent, niether well. Guess what bard fall in that same catagory. They get a very nice selecton of mp gear and a line of regen spells. Are they top the healing list no, in fact they most likely near the bottem but they can heal a party quite nicely if needed. If you needed to heal suck it up and heal the party.

man, hellstorm, do you bang your head against the wall really hard and then be like, hay lets go to qcdn and make posts.

nope only face palming at the stupidity of others.

 

[Nyett]

Guess what bard fall in that same catagory. They get a very nice selecton of mp gear and a line of regen spells. Are they top the healing list no, in fact they most likely near the bottem but they can heal a party quite nicely if needed. If you needed to heal suck it up and heal the party.

A dump truck is much better at moving tons a soil but a hatchback Civic can do it if needed, so suck it up you stupid people cause I know everything.

 

[jamal]

First off Smn are a hybrid and can do both decent, niether well. Guess what bard fall in that same catagory. They get a very nice selecton of mp gear and a line of regen spells. Are they top the healing list no, in fact they most likely near the bottem but they can heal a party quite nicely if needed. If you needed to heal suck it up and heal the party.

rdm is a hybrid aka battle mage

Heaven help us...

 

[Bajaratt]

First off Smn are a hybrid and can do both decent, niether well. Guess what bard fall in that same catagory. They get a very nice selecton of mp gear and a line of regen spells. Are they top the healing list no, in fact they most likely near the bottem but they can heal a party quite nicely if needed. If you needed to heal suck it up and heal the party.

nope only face palming at the stupidity of others.

You really are getting more stupid with time. SMN's damage is pathetic, not decent, just like a bard's healing ability. The difference is that bard is really strong at buffing, while SMN sucks at their "hybrid" ability of damage.

If you're asking a brd to heal for a party, you need to pass lead and disband, because you're too retarded to lead anything effectively.

 

[K. Ishitar]

another sad thing about the smn blood pacts pre-70 is that the ones you get at certain levels like 50 still don't outdo the level 19 one such as thunderspark or the tailwhip from leviathan. That and it's more mp efficient to stick to those two and lastly because shiva has to land both hits with her bad accuracy even with evoker's spats.

So in reality the bloodpacts don't scale up in damage as you receive more levels as it would a regular dd job or a mage job with spells and/or weaponskills.

Thats one example of course there are a few more but not off of the top of my head

 

[Shady]

You really are getting more stupid with time. SMN's damage is pathetic, not decent, just like a bard's healing ability. The difference is that bard is really strong at buffing, while SMN sucks at their "hybrid" ability of damage.

If you're asking a brd to heal for a party, you need to pass lead and disband, because you're too retarded to lead anything effectively.

Yea because a summoner as main healer in a meripo won't work!! /facepalm.

 

[Shady]

sorry sorry read that wrong thought that was summoner main heal not bard. My b. BTW how did this thread reach 19 pages on a flame about ppl bringing meds to camp. seriously lol

 

[Zaltana]

The experience of main healing all those lvl's still haunts me. But the idea of a bard main healing is even worse. they arent near the bottom when it comes to main healer's, they ARE AT THE BOTTOM. Asking a bard to main heal is like asking a blind man to drive in the Datona 500. IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!

Bards have far more important things to do then main heal. such as double minuet'ing me in dynamis.

 

[Zaltana]

Yea because a summoner as main healer in a meripo won't work!! /facepalm.

i've dealt with a smn in a merit party. don't expect the triple digit chains but it was far from stressful. i didn't need an aspirin after it was over with.

 

[Bajaratt]

The first 22k/hour party I ever had used a SMN as a main healer. They can work in merit parties, even in the cannons, but it's much trickier than with a normal healer.

 

[Gagne]

To get back to the OP fro a moment...
Anyone who thinks its a mages job to sneak/invis melee should level rdm or whm and do so to every melee in every party until they get to 75.

If im a rdm in a party, and theres dumb, unprepared melees such as the ones in the OP, damn straight im disbanding, i wouldnt put up with that, and its not like its hard to get a party on rdm anyway so i doubt there would be a lot of lfp before another invite comes along.

 

[wolfskymoon]

Why is your posting name so different from your in game name? are you scurred?

 

[Sandria]

If you needed to heal suck it up and heal the party.

Statements like this one is part of the reason I solo'd (and smn burned) most of my smn levels. After the early levels when the mobs start doing larger attacks I really didnt like healing as a SMN. I happily declined parties that wanted me to main heal.

Where as I am certain a BRD -can- pull off the healing role (assuming you have like say a dnc or another job in the party that can help when needed).. I definately wouldnt suck it up and heal if I didnt want to. Far too many other options available.

Hell in the dunes I was in a party without a set healer when one wasn't available and everyone but the puller and the coined tank subbed whm. It worked fine. DIfference between the dunes and 75 is the amount of damage taken, along with Baj has like a WHM if I remember right and could change jobs like a lot of people can.

My bard does a fair amount of back up healing, and I generally try to help pick up the slack where ever I can improve the exp/hr be it healing/pulling/etc. A refresh and a ballad can keep that lil mp pool going. I'd dare say though, that the minute I stop to rest long enough to add in a lot of MP swapping gear and I'm slacking on my main bard role.

 

[hellstorm]

another sad thing about the smn blood pacts pre-70 is that the ones you get at certain levels like 50 still don't outdo the level 19 one such as thunderspark or the tailwhip from leviathan. That and it's more mp efficient to stick to those two and lastly because shiva has to land both hits with her bad accuracy even with evoker's spats.

So in reality the bloodpacts don't scale up in damage as you receive more levels as it would a regular dd job or a mage job with spells and/or weaponskills.

Thats one example of course there are a few more but not off of the top of my head

this is different from melee how? sword you using fast blade till you get vorpal blade. most the other weapon are same way. Though for the record double slap don't do to bad for it lvl.

The experience of main healing all those lvl's still haunts me. But the idea of a bard main healing is even worse. they arent near the bottom when it comes to main healer's, they ARE AT THE BOTTOM. Asking a bard to main heal is like asking a blind man to drive in the Datona 500. IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!

Bards have far more important things to do then main heal. such as double minuet'ing me in dynamis.

There not as bad as you would think actually had them coheal in several party I have been in Even had 1 occasion where she was the one healing. Course this was imps and thing died fast but still. A nicely placed paeon and some cures does wonders. In this occasion the whm dc and never came back so brd keep healing, and unlike blm and blu can refresh themselfs. For the record I had a blu main heal party once. He actually didn't do a bad job.

Statements like this one is part of the reason I solo'd (and smn burned) most of my smn levels. After the early levels when the mobs start doing larger attacks I really didnt like healing as a SMN. I happily declined parties that wanted me to main heal.

Where as I am certain a BRD -can- pull off the healing role (assuming you have like say a dnc or another job in the party that can help when needed).. I definately wouldnt suck it up and heal if I didnt want to. Far too many other options available.

Hell in the dunes I was in a party without a set healer when one wasn't available and everyone but the puller and the coined tank subbed whm. It worked fine. DIfference between the dunes and 75 is the amount of damage taken, along with Baj has like a WHM if I remember right and could change jobs like a lot of people can.

My bard does a fair amount of back up healing, and I generally try to help pick up the slack where ever I can improve the exp/hr be it healing/pulling/etc. A refresh and a ballad can keep that lil mp pool going. I'd dare say though, that the minute I stop to rest long enough to add in a lot of MP swapping gear and I'm slacking on my main bard role.

First off never said they would do there normal brd role, secoundly never said that they should be healers if there other options out there. I said that if there ask to heal and trust me no one would ask a brd to heal(heck no one would even ask a smn to heal) unless they really needed a healer, then suck it up get some exp and heal. trust me I hate healing just much as the next person, but I love smn, and I love rdm. Which means that sometime order get a job done I have to heal, and I'm fine about that it part of the job that I sign up for. Just think it funny that say smn go heal sit there and say lol I'm disbanding because I won't heal as brd. Which in fact that they would do a better job then that of a pld, blu, or blm(with no refresher in party). So no there not at the bottem.

 

[hellstorm]

correction: Just think it funny that people say, "smn go heal" sit there and say, "lol I'm disbanding because I won't healing as brd."

 

[Gagne]

Why is your posting name so different from your in game name? are you scurred?

because i made this account before i started this character. We went over this back when you started killing BC monsters before the rest of the party entered. dont you remember?

 

[Bajaratt]

this is different from melee how? sword you using fast blade till you get vorpal blade. most the other weapon are same way. Though for the record double slap don't do to bad for it lvl.

Because melee gets a lot better as you level up, while blood pacts don't.

There not as bad as you would think actually had them coheal in several party I have been in Even had 1 occasion where she was the one healing. Course this was imps and thing died fast but still. A nicely placed paeon and some cures does wonders. In this occasion the whm dc and never came back so brd keep healing, and unlike blm and blu can refresh themselfs. For the record I had a blu main heal party once. He actually didn't do a bad job.

Bard's can assist heal, but not effectively main heal. Your example might as well be on mobs you farm, imps are so weak. On real mobs, your party would be dead very quickly.

First off never said they would do there normal brd role, secoundly never said that they should be healers if there other options out there. I said that if there ask to heal and trust me no one would ask a brd to heal(heck no one would even ask a smn to heal) unless they really needed a healer, then suck it up get some exp and heal. trust me I hate healing just much as the next person, but I love smn, and I love rdm. Which means that sometime order get a job done I have to heal, and I'm fine about that it part of the job that I sign up for. Just think it funny that say smn go heal sit there and say lol I'm disbanding because I won't heal as brd. Which in fact that they would do a better job then that of a pld, blu, or blm(with no refresher in party). So no there not at the bottem.

You can gimp yourself by healing on bard, I'd rather leave my flag up the 30 seconds it'd take me to find a different party that wouldn't ask me to main heal and get much better exp.

 

[Bajaratt]

correction: Just think it funny that people say, "smn go heal" sit there and say, "lol I'm disbanding because I won't healing as brd."

And I think it's stupid to try to compare two completely different jobs that have two completely different roles. What's next, drg/whm main heal?

 

[hellstorm]

And I think it's stupid to try to compare two completely different jobs that have two completely different roles. What's next, drg/whm main heal?

no but seen a drg tank before.