Hell Hath No Fury Like a "Woman" Scorned

Priority system: PLD > all on most items save for body, that was dedicated to thief.
And the point costs were fixed relatively low excpet for body. Until of course the paladins got equiped; 1 Pld was a senior member, and 2 were officers. Please note that at this time Kaizen split; mainly because there was a secondary group of people that wanted to do thier own limbus because they didn't want to deal with the current rule system. (More on this later) The limbus system eventually went to a "Most Points wins the item" with flat costs that were a lot more that previously. This allowed Kisada to get his Homam Cosciales for his Dark, and subsequently never showed up to a single farming run from that point on. At that point all priorities and rules were removed leaving all items to be bid on a raw bidding system. To give you an idea of the progression, Plds spent 13 points (13 runs) getting fully geared (Hands/Feet/Pants) And once geared, points rose to over 13 points just for one piece. Sure, a coincidence... My final Pieces cost me 34/47 Points iirc, just to put things into perspective. A bunch of people had to put in 4-12x as much effort for thier gear that people got and quit going.

Side Note:
The raw bidding system... Andreas ignored a bid from Talindra for Nashira Seraweels and awarded them to Jedimind, even though Tali had more points. Andy was an officer at the time. Go go favoratism. Andy later lotted a D.Ring for his Ninja, and quit...

Just a note on this, pretty sure it was before an officer and Bah just asked me out of the blue to help with a few Limbus runs and i ended up getting roped into this. Tali was on the inactive list and i was told that you need to attend 1 or 2 runs before being able to bid.

As for the other things like w legs, the second pair that i got yeah i just bidded them so you couldn't get them, flawed system and was quite enjoyable to me and quite a few others screwing over you.

D.ring yeah i got it and quit not long after, because guess what like many other people i finally realized how terrible and flawed this game is and stopped playing. Hearing about all this stuff the past couple days after not hearing about the game for awhile has been quite amusing.
 
As for the other things like w legs, the second pair that i got yeah i just bidded them so you couldn't get them, flawed system and was quite enjoyable to me and quite a few others screwing over you.

People like this are the reason why its so god damn hard to create a perfect bidding system. From the outside it seems unfair, but unless you've been there you have no idea how hard it is to make everyone happy. I hate people that do stuff like this more than any duper. At least the dupers were just trying to increase the gear everyone got, people like this intentionally screw over others that are supposed to be their friends (or at the very least their linkshell mates).
 
Just a note on this, pretty sure it was before an officer and Bah just asked me out of the blue to help with a few Limbus runs and i ended up getting roped into this. Tali was on the inactive list and i was told that you need to attend 1 or 2 runs before being able to bid.

As for the other things like w legs, the second pair that i got yeah i just bidded them so you couldn't get them, flawed system and was quite enjoyable to me and quite a few others screwing over you.

D.ring yeah i got it and quit not long after, because guess what like many other people i finally realized how terrible and flawed this game is and stopped playing. Hearing about all this stuff the past couple days after not hearing about the game for awhile has been quite amusing.

Is this post sarcasm or are you really being serious? I guess it doesn't matter.
 
I'm inclined to say that anyone who'd outlot someone else out of spite and for no other reason is better off being gone anyway. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
 
Just a note on this, pretty sure it was before an officer and Bah just asked me out of the blue to help with a few Limbus runs and i ended up getting roped into this. Tali was on the inactive list and i was told that you need to attend 1 or 2 runs before being able to bid.

As for the other things like w legs, the second pair that i got yeah i just bidded them so you couldn't get them, flawed system and was quite enjoyable to me and quite a few others screwing over you.

D.ring yeah i got it and quit not long after, because guess what like many other people i finally realized how terrible and flawed this game is and stopped playing. Hearing about all this stuff the past couple days after not hearing about the game for awhile has been quite amusing.
do you are adding credibility to the OP. good job foolish one.

I doubt if this is what he intended, but Sano's goodbye post has opened a floodgate holding back a sea of info about corruption and pulled off the veil covering the hypocrisy on this board. Looks like there is only one constant rule here; "Bashing others for cheating is kewl, as long as you don't get caught."
 
Only going to comment on the stuff I personally know about. This is an extremely immature and skewed airing of linkshell laundry with all the maturity of a child kicking and screaming. For all the qcdn regulars who think Phraust is an awesome super amazing guy and hate Kaizen, this is gravy; don't even bother reading my post as it's not what you want to hear. I'm not defending Kaizen or the members that were recently banned, I'm totally removed from this game and quite frankly fucking hate it. However, for most of the people who have unfortunately had to do any sort of event or be placed in a linkshell with this Phraust, I think it's important that they get some say in the matter.

Side Note:
The raw bidding system... Andreas ignored a bid from Talindra for Nashira Seraweels and awarded them to Jedimind, even though Tali had more points. Andy was an officer at the time. Go go favoratism. Andy later lotted a D.Ring for his Ninja, and quit...

oh kinda like getting an e. body and never uncursing it? You should NEVER talk about greed since you would arbitrarily bid on anything that made your character look more 1337. Even if you never had any intention of using it, like said E. Body, for a DRK and WAR you never played, when there were plenty of people at that event that put in far more effort than you ever have. I can't remember one single time you EVER contributed a single productive thing to an event outside of salvage in my year in Kaizen. No those Tachi:Kaitens for 0 didn't really help. I guess in your little mind you should have gotten the D-ring for your SAM or something(or perhaps you can tell us why Andreas should not have gotten it). And for all the others around, Andreas had and used his D-ring for a long time before deactivating, it wasn't the next day like this garbage indicates.

And on to Talindra the most whiny, bitchy, intolerable person I knew in kaizen showed up for one Limbus in what? a year? An Ultima she put absolutely no effort into farming pops for and points weren't even on the active member list. The same Talindra that would routinely turn Salvage or linkshell chat into some dramatic self persecution complex? Yeah, my heart goes out to her for the many injustices visited upon her. Atleast you got a relic out of her.


There's a few other irrelevant dipshits like Siresativa that deserve an honorable mention. He has only sucessfully skillchained 3 times the entire time I been in Kaizen. And rarely does he use TH gear, His e-peen > the linkshell's drops... (Which is ironic because he sees no value in haste gear) Glad he's banned, he was just so brutish and dim.

Sire was a far more valuable relic wielder than you ever were phraust. I'll admit he fucked up a few skill chains in his time, but so has everyone and so have you on many many Fafnirs.

"Phraust, end the chain with tachi:Kasha"
"No, I am self chaining light, for a massive 0 weapon skill damage and a 2 light that will inevitably overlap another group of DPS' chaining which will royally fuck up any possibility of a magic burst. Oh and I'll needlessly voke too, because I can and it makes it look like I do massive DD"

Sire was a good guy, didn't make everything about himself and hit far higher numbers than you ever did. He wasn't a merit party THF, which is a fucking retarded idea in itself. And you talking about others e-peens, I think I'll just refer back to that E. Body abjuration sitting in your mog locker.

Kisada took it upon himself to inform the linkshell of how awesome kaizen use to be, and that everyone in the shell was not preforming to expectations. He related to the days of old (when the most challenging thing in the game was Nidhogg or maybe Tiamat/Vrtra) and really talked up the accomplishments of the old crew. Especially one member Extereem, who periodically died on the first or second magic burst every fucking time, and remained dead for the rest of the fight.

The quality of Kaizen had dipped, it was painfully obvious to people in the shell who did more than mindlessly melee mobs. We were wiping on mobs or having big troubles on a regular occasion, you don't think that needed to be addressed?


Its the main reason I was so, shall we say, "vocal" in previous Anti-Kaizen threads. For the love of god, I practically BEGGED someone to come out of the woodwork and smear these assholes...

now that's class, being in a linkshell, collecting gear, pimping your character blah blah blah while knowing(I honestly have no idea if this is true) your leaders are cheating, exploiting, etc. Where's your sense of moral conviction? Huh? Oh instead it's being a rat fink and trying to egg on flames on a message board no one cares about and making EVERYONE with a kaizen pearl look like shit? You sat there and benefited for how long knowing this stuff? Not one word of it to fellow members?

Phraust, no one in kaizen liked you aside from your relic sugar-momma. No one thought you were the great amazing player you thought you were. You were a senior member and never took the initiative to Lead anything, or support anyone. I don't ever recall you camping a TOD for the betterment of the shell. I don't remember you trying to get people to farm sea(I do remember you trying to SELL the linkshell sea pop items). And through the entirety of your relic upgrade I don't recall you ever LEADING Dynamis as the other upgraders had. You have sat back and done nothing but benefit and bitch about the leaders, the shell, etc and collected rare gear non-stop.

Oh and how about after you got your relic? First, you weren't at a dynamis in what? 2 months? And then, instead of bringing your relic to dynamis to benefit the shell, it's busy doing COP dynamis with an entirely different shell to get you more gear. So intead you bring some other account with a RDM which you say you can't heal people with and prefer to be solo instead of a party.

You should never talk about others selfishness, as they say, you point a finger, you got 4 pointing back at you.

To the people jerking off phraust for his amazing, hard hitting insight, i think all you need is a little perspective and you could smell the bullshit a mile away.

I am so glad to be rid of this game and players like you.
 
smoke blowers are rarely squeaky clean. But your post seems to give his more credit too. he's mentioned several times that most of Kaizen disliked him, you apparently being one of them as well. After reading what Andreas said he probably did events with other shells cause he was tired of slaving away to get gear for leaders and members that seemed to do what they can to shaft him. for that i cant blame him.

Phraust may have a few black marks against him as well, but im wondering how many of said actions were done in retaliation for being under the heels of the "in crowd".

this is speculation on my part mind you, but one member has already stated the he lotted an item just for the sole purpose for keeping it from phraust. to me that makes me wonder who else was on the plaground.
 
I thought u guys had more unity than this...

If I'm not mistaken, all the people posting from Kaizen are people who do not play FFXI anymore. Why would they need or care about showing unity when the leader(s) they "cared" about no longer lead?

I wouldn't question unity until people who currently wear the pearl besides Phraust make comment...
 
Zaltana and Achates have a point there.

I'm looking at Kaizen (or some "former" Kaizen) members posting. They seem to be making Phraust's case for him more than disproving it. So, for the most part, its backfiring.
 
The only people left in Kaizen Are the "good ones". Please see that. And I should have said it earlier.

You guys may hate me for what I have done, but you have to understand I just got out of a 5 year abusive relationship...

You guys will do fine, as long as you keep playing the game instead of trying to find ways to just watch it; like Duping items. And the people that are left over will be just ok, so long as Kisada and Meast stay out of things... This Thread was a lot less about Kaizen, as it was about the "Leaders".

Small words:

First, Andy, I didn't lot on W.Legs, it would have been for my drk, and that would be as dumb as lotting for a mule...

E.Body, who elese was there that could have even lotted it? I had war and Drk, and Ironically, I did play them a lot, just was always stuck playing Thief for Linkshell events because the leaders thought it was "really funny" to make me come thief to everything when I had a relic Sam, and Ridill War and there were people that wanted to play thief. E.Body is the only thing you could come up with to show off my "Greed"? When you got Andy Screwing people out of W.Legs for his mule? gg... Yeah, I'm the bad guy lol...

To anyone wondering about the E.Body, There's more to the game than just meriting and fighting, there's Crafting and even quests. I had leveled Smithing to 100 with the explicit intention of HQ'ing an E.Body and getting it uncursed. Think of it like the "Relic of Smithing" the ultimate sense of accomplishment in that field. To date I have made I think about 50 NQ's at a 300-350k loss a pop, and it has since made me broke.

In all honesty (And I don't blame anyone for this really) Once someone gets an item like a relic, its really hard to be objective towards a person like that. Why should they lot E.Body when they have a relic Sam? Well, because I have War and Drk. Let me turn this around Of the people that were there, No one else played War or Drk half as much as I did, save for Tride, and he got the other E.Body that dropped. So your arguement is bullshit. Does the Rdm or the Blm deserve the E.Body more than the Relic Sam?

Dynamis:

I wasn't allowed to lead. Meast wanted full control over that.

I announced I was taking a couple months off before I finished my relic, anyone in the shell knew that, and I did. I came back on RDM (A job were were always in short supply of) to help out on the Monday run. Because of work scheduling, I could only leave early one day a week. It was Played on BB because early in the monday morning I would go to Dreamlands with another shell.

How often did Meast, Sire, and Kisada go after they go their relics? Right, good guys those are... Thanks for pointing that out... I still go, even to this day, I do the best I can, when I can.

Talindra is a Goddess, and I worship her. Yes she did practically pay for half my relic, not going to lie about that. She didn't farm 1 mil a week though.... A lot of the money her and I made was from duoing stuff, and yes, I did exhaust hers and my Bank accounts to clear the relic, as well as Bigboy's acount. I am still working off my debt to her, and not because I was asked to. She asked for nothing in return, because she's just fucking awesome. (Bigboy on the other hand wanted a Deulist Chapeau, which i did finally get for him.) And any chance I can get to thank the people that helped me get my relic, I do, Thnak you Limitless, Ardenbruk especially (You fat fuck) thank you so much ; ;

All this shit is the same to you people. No one bothered to find out my side of the story, and that's fine too. I figured if you were smart enough, you'd see through it, or at least above it. Like the E.Body, no one asked if anyone there could lot it, they only heard "Phraust is a greedy pig and lotted it to look cool." If you were smart enough to ask simple questions, you wouldn't have hated me based on other people's opinions, and ironically, you would have found me quite helpfull; I LOVE to play.

To my efforts to help the shell, and to answer a few roaming questions. I did like a lot of the people in the shell. And sure I could have smeared Kisada earlier on, All I had was accusatoins at the time stuff that would just blow away in the wind given enough time, and it wasn't needed. He was a really good Tactician, and a decent Stratgist, but he was a horrible leader always ducking out to do a "Secret Slavage" or DotA, or Poker like the other leaders frequently did.

The shell wasn't falling apart because people were unskilled. If anything, the new influx of people were Exceptional, the leadership just really sucked...

Leader: "GO FIGHT THAT DRAGUN LOLOLOL!!!!"
Linkshell: "Uh... Ok..."
Leader: "OMG GUYZ WHY ARE YOU DYING?!?!!?"
Linkshell: "We don't know what to do... Can you tell us what were suppose to do? We never done this before"
Leader: "YOU GUYZ SUCK OLD KAIZEN WAS SO MUCH BETTAR!!!"

It goes both ways in all instances. If you just want to blindly believe one side of the story and ignore all other angles fine, but eventually, you're going to get faced with the realities when things stop fitting.

Recap:
Phraust is greedy for lotting E.Body for his War and Dark because someone there with less points and time spent and that plays War OR Drk as much as him deserves it more?

Andreas Lotting W.Legs for His mule and later Lotting another pair to cock-block somone that wasn't even lotting and fuckign over people that were = OK.

Kisada Lotting Herald's Gaiters for his Goldsmithing mule over people that have been in the LS for a long time and actually played the jobs that could use it = OK.

AND about Tachi; Kaiten. It does suck on High Defense Monsters Merit mobs and anything 'normal' its awesome, I've said that ad-nauseum... If you actually read the posts you'd read that you need Maximum support for Kaiten to do anything, Red Curry, 2 bards, War sub, and Berserk. You need supposedly 900+ attack to make Tachi Kaiten do 'good' damage. And I was lucky to have one bard if at all. I am not going to waste my time with Kaiten Hitting for 0 on JoL because I need 1/2 a party dedicated to only me for support. No, I am going to chill, use Gekko, do 700+ damage and free up the extra party slots for more DD and not worry about it. You think Kisa and Meast were going to give me 2 bards? The same douchebags that make me come thief for thier amusement?

And yeah, I am not an angel, here's why.

I kinda have a sociopathic thing where I really get off on having people that hate, me have to help me. I knew how much it pained Kisada and Meastoso to give me shit, especially when I earned it. Things just taste so mych better when you lay on a thick layer of Irony or marinate in rage.

MMMmm... Sweet Delicious Irony and Rage!

Man I'm stuffed. I was fed too much Hypocrasy earlier, after all the bannings and such I am exhausted.
 
Kaizen has been pedestalized, not all too uncommonly by it's own members, as the shell to rival the cheap tricks of others, i.e. JDA back before it broke and reformed. I guess its normal to see everyone immediately double take and exclaim, "Ha!" Its also not too much of a stretch to wonder about the leadership, especially after the leader was pretty much canned OuterHeaven style. (Do I ever remember the name of that shell correctly??)

Kaizen still has good people undoubtedly, but the Kisada granted Kaizen image has taken a hit.

I think this post sums up a lot.

I'm inclined to say that anyone who'd outlot someone else out of spite and for no other reason is better off being gone anyway. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Sadly Kaizen seems to just have a stain on their name and have had it for quite some time. I heard from some old members about the hacks/"tricks" that they used at camps and it was kind of disheartening. Whenever I thought of ascension (sp) in the beginning of the game I always thought of the top of the food chain. My god, to join that LS would be nothing less of amazing in my opinion. Eventually my old linkshell (Eyesofthestorm) started migrating over there. Masashiro, Vilurum, Myrid, Extereem, and a couple others I think. As Nasya left and Kaizen came became the new LS, things just seemed to go downhill from there, or at least that's what I heard from a few of my friends who were actually in there.

Hopefully Kaizen can take this as a rude awakening and re-make once more and attempt to regain the reputation they once had. Perhaps new leadership is just what the shell will need. Getting rid of some of the greedy and elitist people will possibly change things.
 
The only people left in Kaizen Are the "good ones". Please see that. And I should have said it earlier.
and the rest pf phraust's reply
i was looking for this replay. and am inclined to believe it.

the question now is, when will meats and/or kisada reply to this to give the other angle. there are 2 sides to every story and so far, IMO, phraust's story has been backed by the people who were trying to thrash it.
 
If I'm not mistaken, all the people posting from Kaizen are people who do not play FFXI anymore. Why would they need or care about showing unity when the leader(s) they "cared" about no longer lead?

I wouldn't question unity until people who currently wear the pearl besides Phraust make comment...

I meant the shell as a whole, as in not bidding wlegs so someone else couldn't get them, from what ive read just sounds like your in kaizen for yourself and get your shit and get out of just put up with it till something new comes out.
 
Sadly Kaizen seems to just have a stain on their name and have had it for quite some time. I heard from some old members about the hacks/"tricks" that they used at camps and it was kind of disheartening.

You know, i really haven't been in the game for almost one year now. My really good friend Nomar has my account now, for the 2 of you out there who give a damn.

However, i did have to stop here and give my saying in this.

First, cause what Miros (who i still say is my hero) said, is wrong. At least at the time i spent in Kaizen, no one used anything as far as hack/tricks at NM's at all. I'm not the brightest bulb out there, but i'm sure i'm not that dull as to not figure out someone in my alliance using something suspicious. This, of course, is from the time i spent there, which were my best days in FFxi post-Flock.


Anyways, it's quite a pitty what happened, but everyone makes mistakes. Shit happens, if it didn't Bush would never have been elected.

I'd also like to point out i've been out of FFxi for about an year now, and before then, when in Kaizen, i never had a problem with anyone in the shell. Everyone was awesome to me (maybe it was my brazillian awe), and everyone seemed to cope and be family like.

It's FFxi. It's a game. I know it's cliché, but seriously. Let's have fun. I was never one to say it's just a game, but... It's just a game.

<3's all round.
 
First, cause what Miros (who i still say is my hero) said, is wrong. At least at the time i spent in Kaizen, no one used anything as far as hack/tricks at NM's at all. I'm not the brightest bulb out there, but i'm sure i'm not that dull as to not figure out someone in my alliance using something suspicious. This, of course, is from the time i spent there, which were my best days in FFxi post-Flock.
<3's all round.
The point of the Tools is to do there job and "not" look suspicious, not saying your wrong but you cant tell if someone is using a simple claim bot or not. Only idiots would use the flee/warp/tele hacks and they all get caught, person could be using a claim bot at fafnir for 5 years and his LS would never know unless he said something, or claimed afk lol..... but then again nightmare does that and he still has his accounts.
 
E.Body, who elese was there that could have even lotted it?

off the top of my head Amiboshi and Zethren. Amiboshi was the guy who got us 90% of our King ToD's at the time, arranged Fafnir's regularly and I believe was probably the only reason we were in the aery to get our claim. That's the thing, you never though of others or what they contributed or how it could help the linkshell. The point/priority system was a joke and totally unreflective of how much work actually went into the shell. I'm not defending Kaizen or the leaders, I disagreed with most of their policies precisely because it allowed people who showed up whenever they wanted, to routinely take gear from people who did most of the work.

I had war and Drk, and Ironically, I did play them a lot, just was always stuck playing Thief for Linkshell events because the leaders thought it was "really funny" to make me come thief to everything when I had a relic Sam, and Ridill War and there were people that wanted to play thief.

I'm fairly certain that was 1/2 half the reason but the other half was because we had non-relic SAM's that did far more damage and weren't difficult to deal with. You later say that kaiten is horrible on high defense mobs however that never stopped you from using it regularly on them.

E.Body is the only thing you could come up with to show off my "Greed"?

Oh I can recall more, but that's just the best example and the topper for what turned me against you. I never had a grudge against you going into the shell, you were arrogant, self righteous and inept but I didn't dislike you and I think it's fairly important I point that out since everyone seems to think I had some sort of beef with you from the get go or just throwing down friend defenses. Meast/Kisada aren't my friends, they never helped me with anything and I agree about how shitty those private runs were. I was fairly irate for a few days when I found out people were doing private limbus runs when I was struggling to lead ls limbus. I'm not justifying their behavior, what I'm doing is attempting to break down this ivory tower Phraust has built for himself, where he thinks he can submit for public judgement all the wrong he has incured in some lopside fantasy story.

When you got Andy Screwing people out of W.Legs for his mule? gg... Yeah, I'm the bad guy lol...

I'm not justifying what Andreas did, although I would have done exactly the same thing, but not out of spite but because he earned them ten times over for a character he made very useful for the linkshell.

To anyone wondering about the E.Body, There's more to the game than just meriting and fighting, there's Crafting and even quests. I had leveled Smithing to 100 with the explicit intention of HQ'ing an E.Body and getting it uncursed. Think of it like the "Relic of Smithing" the ultimate sense of accomplishment in that field. To date I have made I think about 50 NQ's at a 300-350k loss a pop, and it has since made me broke.

Blah blah blah, I want a bigger e-peen(oh wait, Sire's the only E-peen, phraust clearly isn't). If you wanted a HQ berk you should have crafted it first, before getting the most sought after abjuration in the game and letting it rot on your character and pissing off 50% of the other people that were there. But then again, that's just my backwards thinking for yah. But, did you seriously not think that would make you look like the most greedy dick in the linkshell that only thought of himself?

I wasn't allowed to lead. Meast wanted full control over that.

when I first joined I didn't see Meast or kisada for 6 months. Granted you upgrade, what was it? 1 and 1/2 relics over 3 years or something like that. But, noone was stopping you from forming parties, placing jobs, etc, which other people were burdened with because you refused to step up.

I announced I was taking a couple months off before I finished my relic, anyone in the shell knew that, and I did. I came back on RDM (A job were were always in short supply of) to help out on the Monday run. Because of work scheduling, I could only leave early one day a week. It was Played on BB because early in the monday morning I would go to Dreamlands with another shell.

do you not get what I'm saying? Aside from the absolute convience of your work schedule intervening, let's say for a minute I actually believe you. Why is the relic that was produced by Limitless servicing another shell? Don't even try to say it was to provide a RDM, when you routinely made it an issue that you couldn't heal people and always wanted to be in an outside party. What good is a RDM that can't heal and can't party in dynamis? Nuking?

How often did Meast, Sire, and Kisada go after they go their relics? Right, good guys those are... Thanks for pointing that out... I still go, even to this day, I do the best I can, when I can.

I'm not defending them, two of those people aren't running their mouth on a public forum about how victimized they are.

All this shit is the same to you people. No one bothered to find out my side of the story, and that's fine too. I figured if you were smart enough, you'd see through it, or at least above it. Like the E.Body, no one asked if anyone there could lot it, they only heard "Phraust is a greedy pig and lotted it to look cool." If you were smart enough to ask simple questions, you wouldn't have hated me based on other people's opinions, and ironically, you would have found me quite helpfull; I LOVE to play.

I was in the aery when it dropped, I routinely witnessed your non-challant attitude of acquiring gear. I remember you getting pissed when other people got YOUR fortitude torque. I remember you talking about how you wanted to lot a BZ when you already had a kraken club. Or how when you arranged Salvage runs it was almost always to target the skadi body NM. Shall I go on? You can deny it to these people all day and claim to be some great selfless saint, and maybe I am off a little bit, this is just my perspective and my point remains, you have absolutely no room to be pointing fingers and dragging this shit into the public. Getting some sort of twisted accolade for airing dirty laundry is doing nothing but hurting people still involved in kaizen. Your fucking them, and your fucking them hard.

my efforts to help the shell, and to answer a few roaming questions. I did like a lot of the people in the shell. And sure I could have smeared Kisada earlier on, All I had was accusatoins at the time stuff that would just blow away in the wind given enough time, and it wasn't needed. He was a really good Tactician, and a decent Stratgist, but he was a horrible leader always ducking out to do a "Secret Slavage" or DotA, or Poker like the other leaders frequently did.

The shell wasn't falling apart because people were unskilled. If anything, the new influx of people were Exceptional, the leadership just really sucked...

Leader: "GO FIGHT THAT DRAGUN LOLOLOL!!!!"
Linkshell: "Uh... Ok..."
Leader: "OMG GUYZ WHY ARE YOU DYING?!?!!?"
Linkshell: "We don't know what to do... Can you tell us what were suppose to do? We never done this before"
Leader: "YOU GUYZ SUCK OLD KAIZEN WAS SO MUCH BETTAR!!!"

I don't disagree with any of this aside from the fact that when the leaders were motivated, they were the best in the game at executing a strategy and getting people on the same page.

Congrats though, you've thoroughly dragged through the mud Kaizen and all it's members as a whole after getting totally fat and happy off of these same horrible people you knew were cheating for years. You still haven't answered my biggest question, why if you knew all of this for years(especially the kisada relic thing) did you just now, after you were kicked, after it was a fairly certain fact kaizen was dead and you could no longer profit off of it do you say something. I think you will find your answer is the same reason why I have wasted my time to reply.

I'm done with this game, this thread, and all the bad it brings out in people.
 
I'm pretty sure SE reviewed salvage, nyzul, AND Sandworm logs when they did this.

I read somewhere (not sure when, and I can't be certain. Don't think it came directly from SE anyway) that they only checked Salvage, and wasn't done going through the logs.

As I said though, not exactly "official" notes from SE.
 
Fonz, I do in fact respect you, but you really need to ask questions. All of that is second hand knowledge for the most part.


This particular post is going to be pretty boring, and a stale read for you Drama Toramas.


Zethren's Drk was only 67 or 68 at the time iirc. (Either way he wasn't "of level" because I am pretty sure he had more points than me, but no job that could wear it. If memory serves me right Ami had just leveled war. Either way, Why would I lot an E.Body Aburation instead of Crafting 'the -1' first? Simple answer really, and it's dumb, its Because the Abj just came first. Its an extremely rare abjuration, I'd be an idiot to pass it up, I had already waited 4 years or so to get one already.

And I also Know how hard it is to be objective when you've already decided your opinion on me. But I was not allowed to run Dynamis. I was not allowed ot run LS events. I did in fact use to get ToD's all the time and in fact was the only person keeping times and calling them out every fucking camp for over a year. I bought 4 different 24 hour timers for the job, AND I bought the Linkshell a server for Vent. I contributed a lot more than you give me credit for, but a lot was before your time of I assume.

I only wanted a BZ to fuck around with sure, but made sure every time I bid to say "Only if no one is lotting" I.E. I didn't want it to go freelot. Idk how honest the leaders would be, but that was the standard terms I stated pretty much for everything I lotted (It's how I got most of my Sky Gear and a lot of my ZNM gear too). Several other BZ did freelot previously, I had my chance but we got new people, people that actually bid, that got it, even though I had technically bid AND had more points, but I made sure the people that wanted it got it first. I was pissed though at Tride getting the Fortitude Torque, because he did it to spite me. (I still congratulated him though) He complained for a long time how much he hated warrior and how dumb it was he had to level it just to get Bidding Rights on E.Body. He adamantly hated War, OPENLY, CONSTANTLY, why would he lot that torque? I know why, because I was told about all the "Funny shit" that people said right before he bid.

Oh and the irony of saying the Salvage runs were for me and my Skadi body... I see your point of view and it's a matter of "impact before intent" what things look like, and what things are, are rarely in the same focus. Bhaff was easy and one of the only runs I was familiar with. (You do realize you said I never stepped up and ran linkshell events and then said I ran our Slavage group on occasion right?) And you also know most of the time when I was running a split run I was told what area and what NMs to go for AND if you remember, I also ALWAYS had a god damn vote and refused to enter until a majority vote was reached. You know all that to be fact. I had no more control to do a "Greed Run" than you did if you attended. When we did go to Bhaff I was trying to get Yopi his feet that he'd had the shittiest luck on and had been one of the most reliable people going, and targeted the fourth floor because popping third floor was a pain, no one wanted Ares Hands at the time anyways, Skadi Head was dropped with Usu Feet, and Trump needed Bard Pants among other people. If Big Bomb didn't pop; Fourth floor was the only option really...

Listen, I know you don't like me, and I do find that unfortunate. And I know I kinda got myself into this mess for sticking around as long as I did. Hanging out with incepide shit talkers is never healthy for anyone, but neither is giving in when confronted with a bully, I never give up. I may not have been the most "Active" player by your standards, but I was always there when I could be, My LS points shoudl reflect my contribution. I think I even had more points total than Kisada did.

I think this sums it up best, its a message I just got on Skype:

"you're a bit paranoid... or i thought... I mean for years you been telling me they hate you and i was like.. surely it can't be that bad... i mean i knew some did.. like meast and kis... but its like.. fuck man they are harsh."

I'm not paranoid, I preceptive. I know how much I was disliked, and I know how infectious the pack mentality is... As clearly seen in this thread and the comments I still read on the LS forum and in LS chat, I wasn't in the least bit paranoid, you guys are just more transparent than you give yourself credit for...

And I am not Arrogant, I'm just right all the time... XD

Joking aside, I wish you the best of luck Fonz, really sorry I rubbed you the wrong way. I'm really not a bad guy, just a social retard when it comes to talking to people. Anyone that's not blindly 'hated' me on the opinions of others can vouch for that.
 
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