HOLY CRAP (update details)

Euphacent said:
masamura said:
It's economics my dear forumer. If you are satisfied with your purchase at the point of buying, then the whole idea of yours is down to the drain. This happens not only in games, but also in real life. Boy do I remember spending over $300 on PS2 and suddenly it's like what $200 now? lol. I could've used $100 to buy something else, but hey, that's LIFE.
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You means suddenly as in 5 years later? I think this is a very poor example to use. Regardless of however much a PS2 costs, you still have to pay money for it. This how it was with the Peacock charm -- the price did change, it just didn't go down, it went up. Now that PS2's are something like $150 now (?), is there a rare/ex PS2 that you can get for free, other than your time camping the store clerk nm, that you can never sell or trade to anyone where you are the only person that can play games on it? No.

If you're going to talk about economics, you need to realize that with your PS2 example, the "newer" PS2's are not forever bound to one person. The rare/ex PS2's can never enter the market.
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Actually, if you want to think about it, a rare/ex PS2 would be an emulator for the PC. It has the same "stats" or abilities as a PS2, but it's free and not as flashy as a real PS2.

You guys are just pissed because the 1337 bunch of you won't look so 1337 anymore. SE noticed that we have become VERY gear dependant and is taking that into account. They're trying to BALANCE out the game so that people will have the same opportunities as those who can farm 6 hours a day and buy the stuff at the outrageous prices. It's about time that they made an alternative for Leaping boots or Emp pin, as I see 9/10 melee'rs use them up until practically AF time.
 
Euphacent said:
masamura said:
It's economics my dear forumer. If you are satisfied with your purchase at the point of buying, then the whole idea of yours is down to the drain. This happens not only in games, but also in real life. Boy do I remember spending over $300 on PS2 and suddenly it's like what $200 now? lol. I could've used $100 to buy something else, but hey, that's LIFE.
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You means suddenly as in 5 years later? I think this is a very poor example to use. Regardless of however much a PS2 costs, you still have to pay money for it. This how it was with the Peacock charm -- the price did change, it just didn't go down, it went up. Now that PS2's are something like $150 now (?), is there a rare/ex PS2 that you can get for free, other than your time camping the store clerk nm, that you can never sell or trade to anyone where you are the only person that can play games on it? No.

If you're going to talk about economics, you need to realize that with your PS2 example, the "newer" PS2's are not forever bound to one person. The rare/ex PS2's can never enter the market.
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Ok fine, let's take a stronger example. A car in this case. Since you want to take real world scenarios, let's take a 1980 car. In 1980, a car would cost you probably USD10000, then in Year2005, the car costs less than USD100. I know you still have to pay for it, but hey, how fair is it to the owners of the car in 1980? It's the SAME meaning here. Since PCC has been in the market for over sometime, it's bound to either go down in price(or up) or get an intervention from another party. In this case, SE is THE government.

Besides, if you want to compare it like that about ex stuffs.. let's take free public transportation for example(not sure if America has it). I can get to point A with a Car that costs me USD10000 but I can also get to point A with a bus that doesn't cost me anything. It's the same with PCC. What's the big deal here? :)
 
Taurothar said:
Euphacent said:
masamura said:
It's economics my dear forumer. If you are satisfied with your purchase at the point of buying, then the whole idea of yours is down to the drain. This happens not only in games, but also in real life. Boy do I remember spending over $300 on PS2 and suddenly it's like what $200 now? lol. I could've used $100 to buy something else, but hey, that's LIFE.
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You means suddenly as in 5 years later? I think this is a very poor example to use. Regardless of however much a PS2 costs, you still have to pay money for it. This how it was with the Peacock charm -- the price did change, it just didn't go down, it went up. Now that PS2's are something like $150 now (?), is there a rare/ex PS2 that you can get for free, other than your time camping the store clerk nm, that you can never sell or trade to anyone where you are the only person that can play games on it? No.

If you're going to talk about economics, you need to realize that with your PS2 example, the "newer" PS2's are not forever bound to one person. The rare/ex PS2's can never enter the market.
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Actually, if you want to think about it, a rare/ex PS2 would be an emulator for the PC. It has the same "stats" or abilities as a PS2, but it's free and not as flashy as a real PS2.

You guys are just pissed because the 1337 bunch of you won't look so 1337 anymore. SE noticed that we have become VERY gear dependant and is taking that into account. They're trying to BALANCE out the game so that people will have the same opportunities as those who can farm 6 hours a day and buy the stuff at the outrageous prices. It's about time that they made an alternative for Leaping boots or Emp pin, as I see 9/10 melee'rs use them up until practically AF time.
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Please just say you guys are god damn lazy. You are just like gil buyers. Lazy and want the best of everything. In other words wanting the best of both world. Logic do you have it? When you want something good you sacrifice the other. Oppurtunity cost! Don't be fucking greedy and want everything
 
Euphacent said:
People are talking about how the rangers are whining... well, wouldn' you, too? The biggest problem this will cause rangers is for fighting NM's that need to be kited like Kirin. Kirin is what, level 95? SE nerfed their damage on higher level mobs and also made their distance from the mob modify their damage. Do you know how fast Kirin runs and how long it takes to shoot an o.bow or hellfire?

Also, I'd be mad if I spent 20mil on an item that is now going to have a rare/ex counterpart. I'd rather get the rare/ex version and spend the 20mil on something else. Someone mentioned that if Legalus didn't think the item was worth that much then he shouldn't have paid that much for it. Well, you do realize he bought the item before the market changed, right? He bought the item when there was no comparable item with the same stats in the same slot (closest would be spectacles, but they aren't the same stats). Would I spend that much on an item when there is a rare/ex alternative? I seriously doubt it.
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Euph, I was pissed about all the xp I effectively earned and had taken away with the xp cap, but a larger group of people said we were just whining and to stop, this is effectively the same thing, so why should I give a damn? Ok, rangers are not the facking gods of FFXI, sure they are probably the highest damage output, but just because you don't have a damn ranger doesn't mean it's all fu*king over. What this means at -worse- is the kited fights like kirin will take longer. Ok? Let me stop crying already.

As for the peacock charm, you didn't "waste" 20 mil really, think it about it euph. If you bought the peacock charm, you didn't farm it for a reason. Why would it matter if there is a rare/ex or non rare/ex version? If you didn't farm the non rare/ex version why would you farmt he rare/ex version? I doubt the drop rates will be better.



BTW, for this uh... friend thing. Anyone else expecting how me and all the gil sellers of vanadiel are going to level up a theif buddy?
 
While we could argue this forever, I'd really rather not. So I will just say that comparing real life economic situations to FFXI just won't cut it... why? Because in FFXI, nobody holds a steady job where they get a steady income. There is never unemployment, but nobody has a job. :P

Anyway, contrary to what you may think my opinion is from my previous posts, I do think having these rare/ex drops will be great. Personally, I'm not loaded like Legalus is (was! haha), so it will be great for me. Maybe some day the Valkurm Emperor and Leaping Lizzy will become like Mysticmaker Proflix (the moldavite earring nm), where people do camp him, but it's usually only one or two people at a time... and often times no one!
 
Either way, it's still a pain to camp a 24hour pop NM that drops EX stuffs... :lol:

Sure it's awesome because competition is going to be less, but maybe in 2 YEARS!!! Because everyone is going to want a PCC...
 
Maybe they'll increase the pop rate of Argus but also raise the level of the new rare/ex charm to something comparable to that of the actual nm.
 
The important point is, and I think most people with invested gil in this game would agree, that people spend 20 million gil on an item that's hardly noticibly better than a 100k item simply because they want to be the best of the best at what they do.

This doesn't solve the basic economic problems, this is however a major blow to the gilsellers. The basic problem is that you can't make NMs pop faster when more people want the item. Ex/rare or not this will still be a large problem.


On a side note... anyone who might have been loaning out their emperor's hairpin, anyone who might have been muling it might been totally screwed!
 
Legalus said:
It's because I am losing money.
I bought it for 20m, a month from now it will probably be worth 100k (Look at Raise3), that is something worth whining about IMO.
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LMAO /comfort dude... major /comfort
 
Firestreak said:
On a side note... anyone who might have been loaning out their emperor's hairpin, anyone who might have been muling it might been totally screwed!
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awwwww FFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUG

sonofabitch im screwed >_<; leeping boots AND pin gawd damn /cry
 
Firestreak said:
On a side note... anyone who might have been loaning out their emperor's hairpin, anyone who might have been muling it might been totally screwed!
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ahhhh shit. God i hope you are wrong. I have both my leaping boots and an emp pin on a mule at the moment. Not really using the pin at the present, but if I lose the boots, Im gonna be pissed.
 
Vilurum said:
It's called Vivian Ring and it already exists. And if you want a ring that converts 50 HP to MP, most people go for the buyable one because getting a rare-ex drop from a once-a-day HNM is more of a pain than you'd think for.
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Sweet.
 
Halifirien said:
Vilurum said:
It's called Vivian Ring and it already exists. And if you want a ring that converts 50 HP to MP, most people go for the buyable one because getting a rare-ex drop from a once-a-day HNM is more of a pain than you'd think for.
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Sweet.
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weeeeeeeeeeee~ taru ihugu
 
I highly highly highly highly! doubt that exsisting items will be changed to Rare/ex, what would happen to people's who had them up to AH? or loaned out? SE has fucked it before...but they not that dumb....
 
I tell you what I'd love to see. The update details mentioned changes to the various guild belts. I'd love to see those have infinite charges. Jack up the number of guild points required to acquire them or make it so you can only use the charge once or twice a day, but at least make it something I don't have to discard. Or give permanent +1 support even after the charges are gone.

I'm usually close to the fisherman's guild to get support and have never bothered with the belt, but I'd get one in a heartbeat if I knew I wouldn't have to toss it later.

(Edited to change "apron" to "belt" in the first sentence.)
 
Devi has a point... but in order for that to be true, there would either be:
-2 sets(/versions) of gear: leeping boots (r/e) and leeping boots (r)
or
-2 sets with diff names: Leeping boots (r) and Frolicking boots (r/e)

BUT if thats true for #2 then the frolick boots wouldnt make sence being droped off of leeping lizzy, or that would destroy the mythology and history of Argus and peacock charm, (the name is what im getting at)...

so if #2 was vise versa: the peeps with the leeping boots on mules or lent out would be screwed...
 
meh like I said...

the item drop are gonna be

Tradeable/RareEX/Ex

So those who are in the current posession of the item will not be screwed but those who goes camp it, they may have the possiblity of getting the ex version of the drop and also the possibilty of a tradeable drop... simple as that.
 
Not like S-E's never changed the names of items before. Maybe the old "Peacock Charm" will be renamed, to, uh, "Old Peacock Charm" (or probably something a little more creative), and the new rare-ex thing will be called "Peacock Charm".

Or alternatively, the old "Peacock Charm" will still be called that, and the new rare-ex thing will be called something else. Sure, it'd defeat the mythology but admittedly a lot of people wouldn't care - and S-E can always go and make a later patch to switch the two names if enough people do care.
 
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