Mattaru said:Mattaru said:vang said:
I'm going to agree with Vang, but tweak it a bit. The first paragraph, I agree if you are so obsessive to go and camp Argus and you get the PCC congratulations, you did earn it, you put your sanity at risk possibly, but you earned whatever someone buys it off you from. BUT if there is another means to obtain a similar item, and its rare/ex that only means that now what you have to do to get a similar item may be less (the specifics are obviously in question), so what if it takes less to earn an item? So what if there are different ways of doing it? All it means is an item is now more accessable, obviously people such as Vang dislike that, because having accessability to higher levels of succes in the game seems to devalue their attempts at getting where they are today, but what they fail to recognize in the first place is that this is a game and what you get from it is how you play it and their path has merit unto itself. Unfortunately it seems that they dont realize this if they dont get others to recognize it too.....
Anyways, if the extra items are of equal, and even just to a lesser degree, difficulty to obtain the regular items will probably maintain a slightly lesser price. But, if you obtain these items from the same NMs than the non ex/rare are just going to go up in price because the same people who were paying for them before but do not want to camp it are still going to buy it, but the supply is now limited on the original item. So I don't know what Leg is complaining about if these items will be obtained from the same NMs, because he decided to farm for it not camp it, so why would that change now if its the same?
And yeah Vang's right Emp drops it like its hot. I cant blame people for not wanting to stay in Gustaberg xD.
This isn't a "we're sad because we are lazy" nerf, its a gilsell, bot nerf for items like PCC and Archer's Ring (I must say I will miss my tarutaru bride Angle ; ., because it allows for people to still be able to obtain these items yet limits gilsellers feasability of using them to sell gil. For items like leapers and emp, i dont think gs camp these really on other servers, so I think that it is more of a way to get players around those levels a more accesable route to those items. I camped both these NM's, LL as a lvl 17-20 thf until i got the boots, and i camped emp at around 42-43 until i got the pin, I'm on my second of both (selling them was a bad idea anyway...), but im not bitter at all, these are seen as necessities to play these jobs up to par and they should be more accessable. (Im reminded of a time a guy once told my thf to farm beehive chips to pay for boots.....I was like sure ill just take a month of time to do that.....now i could do it in about two weeks for them, which are now 300k more expensive but thats because its easier to make money now).
And once again, this just means that people that need the item to use are given more ways to do it/more of an advantage against higher lvl players that sell items for gil. If anything it would increase teamwork at these NM camps because people that want the item can team up and kill LL multiple times so everyone gets the item....instead of me running around casting dia on LL as thf/whm against 6 other campers or running around with my bow and arrow w/ ws and no flee >.>; , I was only able to get boots after i had WS which was accesible a good 15 levels after they are really useful (SA).
I'd like to see a response to this. I dont care if this looks sketchy by quoting myself.
The simple fact is that it takes all the pride away from those who have earned it. It's never going to be a PCC to me anymore if this change takes place, and I worked damn hard to have more than the next guy and be more effective than the next guy. Now SE is rewarding that next guy for doing nothing while tarnishing what i have done.
On top of it all it hurts those of us who camp these items for gil, NM camping sucks, let's face it. But the extremely rich are either NM campers or 100 crafters, and something tells me most of the 100 crafters camped NMs to get there or bought the gil.
Gilsellers are rarely down at Argus if at all, the only thing you will see day in and day out is a 5-6 man team from the same LS there 24-7 doing basically the same thing gilsellers do but they dont sell for RL money. I am not complaining because when I was a regular I had 2 others with me as well. Even though most of the team are real douchebags their leader is very successful, hard working, and a very good NM camper as well. If they did not have him/her they would be nothing but none the less I applaud their success.
Sorry I kind of swayed back and forth, so many responses Im throwing out but you get the point. I just don't like the fact of defacing such a coveted item by BCing it...garbage.
The fact is, alot of people don't view the PCC with the same view you do, it has, for better or worse become a mark of a gil buyer as much as someone who busted ass to get a near impossible claim. I'de love to have one, but I'm realistic, I don't need 1 to be effective. Nobody is discrediting your work to obtain one, and you have already derived the personal satisfaction from getting the claim/kill/drop, so what exactly is the problem?
No having to worry about getting a partner to share the gil with. If my NPC bitches about not getting a split of the money I'll just do what I do to Homunculus. Backhand him and {Leave} 
Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
