How To Make a Good Party: A compilation of notes...

"I have higher standards" is what asses pat themselves on the back with when no one else can stand their smell. You were out of line in odon's party, plain and simple. Don't take invites if you already have a carrot up your ass about the entire situation. That situation was by no means bad. nin thf mnk blm blm whm, from 68-70, was just fine.
 
Wtf does that even mean? Your trying to me comedical with a quasy intelligent flame and you just crash and burned.

The PT was setup like this...

68 NIN
68 MNK
69 BLM
69 BLM
69 WHM
70 THF

um thats wrong in itself... not only is the tank the lowest level in the party, the main melee damage was also the lowest level in the party (the person that has most effect on XP/Hr in a NIN Tanked PT)

Not only that but we had NO ONE landing Paralyze/Slow/Blind 90% of the time because I was the lowest level in the party and all my Ninjitsu was getting resisted.

Like I said, you have no clue when it comes to the mechanics behind this game and trying to convince you of how things work is just as bad as my enfeebles were working that party... it just doesn't stick.
 
I opened the session with a chain 5. Opened it, right out of the box. In YOUR piss-poor camp choice at that before the dhalmels started linking. And when they did, you upped your complaining from a screech to utter wailing. We hit what...4 chain 5's? Just as many chain 4's. One chain 3 when a dhalmel healed for about 3000 hp. The rest were dropped chains because of you. Hey, let's camp in the middle of link alley, ok? Highest xp I got was 224. 2 level spread. Skillchain took 20 percent of a mob's life, and the two black mages took the other 75% most of the time. You were a good little ninja...until you went ADHD kiddo on the party. You started straying from camp and even tried to pull a goblin before I reminded you that you're not the puller. Boy I just HATE chain 5's with no links after you remembered that you were the tank and should sit your rear at camp. The only thing you did correctly was tank, and comment that agas wouldn't be needed. They really weren't. The party was doing that well.

I don't think mechanics are an issue. The worst decision Odon made that night wasn't to invite a L70. Wasn't to invite Damien. The little guy blind invited us all, and that's not even it. It was to invite you, decidence. He'd be level 70 right now if we'd have gotten any other tank. But you had to be a general ass for your entire existence in that party, and that was that.
 
Peregrine said:
I opened the session with a chain 5. Opened it, right out of the box. In YOUR piss-poor camp choice at that before the dhalmels started linking. And when they did, you upped your complaining from a screech to utter wailing. We hit what...4 chain 5's? Just as many chain 4's. One chain 3 when a dhalmel healed for about 3000 hp. The rest were dropped chains because of you. Hey, let's camp in the middle of link alley, ok? Highest xp I got was 224. 2 level spread. Skillchain took 20 percent of a mob's life, and the two black mages took the other 75% most of the time. You were a good little ninja...until you went ADHD kiddo on the party. You started straying from camp and even tried to pull a goblin before I reminded you that you're not the puller. Boy I just HATE chain 5's with no links after you remembered that you were the tank and should sit your rear at camp. The only thing you did correctly was tank, and comment that agas wouldn't be needed. They really weren't. The party was doing that well.

I don't think mechanics are an issue. The worst decision Odon made that night wasn't to invite a L70. Wasn't to invite Damien. The little guy blind invited us all, and that's not even it. It was to invite you, decidence. He'd be level 70 right now if we'd have gotten any other tank. But you had to be a general ass for your entire existence in that party, and that was that.

Once again making several unfounded accusations and using tricky words to try and sound smart and clever... really you should just shut up already because no one is agreeing with you.

Yep the party started out good, like I said we started the first 30mins doing 2.2k XP because we were in the camp I took us too where we could pull from both sides quickly! Why do you think we couldn't chain quickly after we moved... because we were primarily pulling from ONE SIDE ONLY. Dhalmels are NOT hard to sleep... they simply weren't being put to sleep by our mages, Im assumnig because their too used to having an RDM do the job. And when they finally did cast sleep... guess what, it slept!

If you had half a brain as a puller you would have mobs spawn times timed so you would know when a pop was coming up but I guess that level of intelligence is just not upon you yet.

Dropped chains because of me? What effect do I have on how fast we chain? It wasn't like I was getting hit... if anything your dumbass who wouldn't pull with blink up because you were "levelling your evasion skill" aka "Im too cheap" was using more MP from our WHM then me.

I can stray from camp as much as I like thank you very much... I have plenty more pulling experience then you and was clearly just calling targets and not attempting to pull a goblin like you have falsely accused me of.

And do you not read before you post or what? I left at 5:30, like I said and warned I had too, it was Mothers Day after all... are you blaming Mothers Day on the fact that Odon didn't get Level 70...

And why the hell did you even come here starting a flame about this one specific party ruining this whole fucking thread for everyone? This was supposed to be a compilation of notes for people who assemble parties and the mistakes not to make when procuring one.

If your goal was to make a name for yourself here I think you have succeeded, but I dont think its a positive one. Me, my reputation hasn't changed... I will always be a prick to people I dont like and people know that, so your not hurting me coming back time and time again to get burned.
 
I'm choosing to not read all the posts, and if someone covered it already, forgive me.

Useful advice, actually very good advice. You screwed up on little things though, no big deal. My concerns are bst and summoner, summoner don't get haste, they get hastega. (Which helps out prefenrir's high abilities and is even preffered to fenrir's buffs sometimes)

Also, Bst are amazing in a pt if set up right. I while leveling rdm in B. Tree on the procs had a jpn bst be the pt leader, she subbed /nin and began to make our jaws drop... She grabbed a lower level mob on the way up, and through release and a bit of skill kept that same mob most of the xp session. It def. changed my mind about bst's in pt. They can outdamage or match a war using double axes if you toss in the pet damage and learn the same ws.
 
Well i'm in a shit party right now, and remembered one other thing about good xp parties.

Mages, especially whm, rest during the fight please. too many times i look over and see the whm watching the show. as the puller is pulling, do your hastes and such take a break let the pld build hate with his cures, get up heal him up, he'll have refresh, when his mp gets up to a good spot, rest again.

blm 334, whm 34, pld 184 fight just ended, what is wrong with that picture, sit the fuck down. i hate seeing whm's in the background walking around not doing shit, grab your dark staff and plant yourself down for a few.
 
decidence said:
And why the hell did you even come here starting a flame about this one specific party ruining this whole fucking thread for everyone? This was supposed to be a compilation of notes for people who assemble parties and the mistakes not to make when procuring one.

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Next time post it somewhere proper if you want an actual discussion. You invited the flame and now you complain when you get it. I don't get it. :|
 
Perrrrrson said:
Dropped chains because of me? What effect do I have on how fast we chain? It wasn't like I was getting hit... if anything your dumbass who wouldn't pull with blink up because you were "levelling your evasion skill" aka "Im too cheap" was using more MP from our WHM then me.

But you can get eva skillups with Blink/Utsusemi/Stoneskin on..
Crash->Burn->Sizzlesizzle.


I was once in a KRP party...about...three weeks ago? A month? Some while ago....was SMN/RNG/RNG/DRG/NIN/BLM or somethin like that...raked in nearly 5k/h off of VTs, even though the DRG leeched a LOT, and we couldn't do anything because he was leader..and each time we were about to disband/reform he'd magically come back... ><
Wound up breaking once someone hit 57 (58?) and mobs started conning T to him..
 
Cubswoo, dude dont let that shit get you down. All you need to do is find someone with a high demand job who knows what kinda shit a monk can do. I started noticing towards the late 50's myself. You see a Mnk with Scorp Harness, Brown Belt, and a few other nice goodies, PISSED ME OFF. I am a Ranger... I was getting close to outdamaged! I mean the ONLY thing that keeps a Ranger ahead of a Monk decked out is the high impact WS and Barrage. Yeah, whomever asks a Monk to sub thief....right...Double Attack {Can I have it?}. When you get a PT leader who knows the game, and what jobs can do...then you will be fine.

Yeah I am sick of people saying you cant level evasion with Utsu up. Lies! Sure it comes faster when you dont have it up...like every hit for me >.<...

Finally, someone made mention about Smn Hastega. Talk about a LAME ass ability. It lasts about JUST long enough to get it up again on the next BP. And it is weak compared to a Whm haste... All the Smn's vaunted abilities really arent all they are cracked up to be. Yes, I want a Smn if I am going up against gobs for ONE reason. Stoneskin-ga. All the others which are supposed to kick ass... blinkga, hastega, etc...no thanks. Blinkga is a joke, the only job that gets any use from it is a Pld. So you are throwing out a BP for one job that will get him like 2 hits? Great use of time... Also, still waiting to see a Smn burst for 600+ damage...64 now...

Fae
 
Well, get a SMN with Fenrir and say the 3+ minute acc/eva boost and all stat buff aren't worth SOMETHING. ^^
 
Lavi said:
decidence said:
And why the hell did you even come here starting a flame about this one specific party ruining this whole fucking thread for everyone? This was supposed to be a compilation of notes for people who assemble parties and the mistakes not to make when procuring one.

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Next time post it somewhere proper if you want an actual discussion. You invited the flame and now you complain when you get it. I don't get it. :|

My thread was not flaming Peregrine or the PT he or she keeps bringing up... it was about bad PT's and how to make successful ones. Make a new thread to flame me if you want to get specific.

As for Summoners... I agree their magic bursts aren't that great but Ive seen their BP's do a lot of damage in the 70's... like Titan doing the Mountain Buster on Bones in KRT... Ive seen that do 1400 dmg.
 
i saw a smn, eunore i think, mb for over 800 in b tree after the blm was talking shit about smns. he said "the job is what you make it"

needless to say he stfu with his 600 mbs. granted the smn couldn't keep up dd through the battle, but main healing and the big mb's made him very usefull in that party.
 
LOL whoa... Not flaming Smn at all there. Well maybe a little, cause I am sick of them preaching and have YET to see one step up and show me wrong. Cubs, you.....Smn, party, now...

Anyways, I realize that Smn DO have kickass abilites, but as for low level, Stoneskin is the only one I think is worth anything. And that isnt terribly low level. I didnt know that lasts 3 minutes, that is rather impressive. Sadly, I am a Ranger, dont really need Acc or Evasion. I much prefer +7 to all stats!

Fae
 
I see I ticked off some people when I mentioned blm in my ideal version of a party with my job in it(thf). Well as far as bursters go, I'm always going to prefer blm sorry, that's what they do. And if the SC+Burst goes off and the target still has a noticable chuck left, blm can right away wipe out another spell or 2 and finish it off. Due to the hate I just placed on the tank, they don't have to worry as much about turning the mob or at least not for long either.

Personally here is my favorite use of a smn. Using them as the main healer in a nin tank party.

-They'll benefit from the acc AND evade bonuses from fenrir
-Stoneskinga is there to cover those few hits a ninja may take
-They can chip in during MBs
-For the rest of the time they can heal when the ninja does get hit which shouldn't be much between their shadows and stoneskinga

I'm by no means saying I think this is their only use, but I think they really shine in this mode because they're always busy doing something very useful at all times.


Also

I know 4k-4.5k per hour xp isn't the greatest, but is it really something to bitch about? I can understand wanting to be 5-8k per hour quality, but would you really threaten to leave for only 4-4.5k per hour? For non static pickup type parties that's nothing to 'really' complain about. Most of my post 60 parties have been in the realm of 4-5k per hour with a few bad exceptions when my DD partner just wasn't producing the results needed for a damage over time job.
 
Jagster said:
I know 4k-4.5k per hour xp isn't the greatest, but is it really something to bitch about? I can understand wanting to be 5-8k per hour quality, but would you really threaten to leave for only 4-4.5k per hour? For non static pickup type parties that's nothing to 'really' complain about. Most of my post 60 parties have been in the realm of 4-5k per hour with a few bad exceptions when my DD partner just wasn't producing the results needed for a damage over time job.

Nope, it isn't anything to really complain about but thats now how much Xp we were getting per hour. We got 2.2k in the first 30mins then 3.5 in the next hour. Under 5k I will whine a little about how I think we can do better and suggest some alternatives to making the party better... under 4k I get bored and lose interest.

The only problem is my suggestions are usually critisisms towards whats going wrong, not how to fix the problem because to me, the "fix" is common sense (such as kick a couple people to close the level gap and increase damage by recruiting other people). Other people dont see the "fix" though and just say Im whining or complaining, or dont want to be the asshole that kicks someone from their party.
 
decidence said:
Nope, it isn't anything to really complain about but thats now how much Xp we were getting per hour. We got 2.2k in the first 30mins then 3.5 in the next hour. Under 5k I will whine a little about how I think we can do better and suggest some alternatives to making the party better... under 4k I get bored and lose interest.
The only problem is my suggestions are usually critisisms towards whats going wrong, not how to fix the problem because to me, the "fix" is common sense (such as kick a couple people to close the level gap and increase damage by recruiting other people). Other people dont see the "fix" though and just say Im whining or complaining, or dont want to be the asshole that kicks someone from their party.

If this, (in bold) is truely the case, then maybe the problem in your boring parties is indeed YOU. If it is YOU who gets bored then maybe it is YOU who has the problem. I know alot of people who can play and have fun with 2-3k per hour. Seriously man no-one is at fault in this situation but you. If everyone else is fine and is having fun and can live with the 4k per hour then you should deal with it or move along.
 
Darkdante said:
Wow.....

Seems like a whole lot of pepo are pissed off at you Deci.....

Oh no, don't take this the wrong way. I'm not in any way pissed off at Deci, hell I barely know him. Do I think he takes the game to serious? well yeah. Do I think he complains when maybe he shouldn't? sure. But I'm not pissed at Deci nor do I dislike him.
 
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