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Ok, Cerescole, you are back on my cool peeps list. Please understand that I was just ticked off by you saying that I sucked in front of the alliance. The truth was that I did my job but you really need to have TAs done on the tank to keep the hate. On top of that I had paralyze so my ninjitsu spells and at least a few vokes got interrupted. But I didn't say, oh whoever was supposed to handle that "you suck". I didn't say anything bad about anyone. I just said "mmmmm... that sucked" referring to the fight in general and you said "no, you sucked". The fact is I was being really nice about the whole thing and you seemed to want to make it my fault. My point was only that its easy to blame the tank but its up to the whole PT to play their roles according to what's needed to win. People like to pt with me so it really caught me off gaurd to hear you say that. I take my job personally. I can't help it. I play seriously and responsibility for mistakes. But in this case I really didn't make one.
But I heard there are people talking in the game that I flamed you. I don't feel that's true so please don't spread that around. I only wanted to talk about the whole situation to let other people examine it and then tell me if I really deserved what you said. This is just my defense. I don't expect every job to know what my macros and voking look like, especially in a lot of chaos. Me and cerescole never PT'd before so I can't really blame her for having assumed certain things. It's only natural, especially if you get killed. I wouldn't be surprised if she only said what others were thinking. So I don't have any hard feelings. I was just pissed off about it.
Ninjas sometimes have a very hard job. We're constantly hitting macros. We buy expensive gear. And then we sometimes have to keep bugging mages for haste which can save our lives as well as paralyna, stona, silena, etc. We don't ask for much and in return the mages can keep more of their precious mp. But if we get ignored and don't get what we need to tank well from the rest of the party then its not only a pretty crappy experience for us, but it also makes it appear to be our fault. This is something all ninjas know and have to deal with. Unlike the PLD, ninja was not designed to tank. But we can tank very well under the right circumstances. Mob, lvl difference, and PT makeup are all important factors in our tanking ability. No offense to anyone, but honestly I get JP parties when I can because I never have a problem. Near perfect tanking with little or no hp loss but its a group effort.
And once again I never meant to call out Cerescole who was doing a good job. She was just, like me, ignored. And as she said she did it before so she knew what she was doing. People should have listened. But she was the one who came out and blamed me and pissed me off because of it and so that's why she was mentioned indirectly. I'm sure nobody likes to be blamed for stuff that's not their fault.
peace
But I heard there are people talking in the game that I flamed you. I don't feel that's true so please don't spread that around. I only wanted to talk about the whole situation to let other people examine it and then tell me if I really deserved what you said. This is just my defense. I don't expect every job to know what my macros and voking look like, especially in a lot of chaos. Me and cerescole never PT'd before so I can't really blame her for having assumed certain things. It's only natural, especially if you get killed. I wouldn't be surprised if she only said what others were thinking. So I don't have any hard feelings. I was just pissed off about it.
Ninjas sometimes have a very hard job. We're constantly hitting macros. We buy expensive gear. And then we sometimes have to keep bugging mages for haste which can save our lives as well as paralyna, stona, silena, etc. We don't ask for much and in return the mages can keep more of their precious mp. But if we get ignored and don't get what we need to tank well from the rest of the party then its not only a pretty crappy experience for us, but it also makes it appear to be our fault. This is something all ninjas know and have to deal with. Unlike the PLD, ninja was not designed to tank. But we can tank very well under the right circumstances. Mob, lvl difference, and PT makeup are all important factors in our tanking ability. No offense to anyone, but honestly I get JP parties when I can because I never have a problem. Near perfect tanking with little or no hp loss but its a group effort.
And once again I never meant to call out Cerescole who was doing a good job. She was just, like me, ignored. And as she said she did it before so she knew what she was doing. People should have listened. But she was the one who came out and blamed me and pissed me off because of it and so that's why she was mentioned indirectly. I'm sure nobody likes to be blamed for stuff that's not their fault.
peace
Nor did I say he did. He got the guy the cluster to save him the trouble of refarming the items.
I have to wonder how much of this sentiment is run over from your static problems you two also seem to have experienced. Perhaps the brd did decieve you when he invited you or maybe he didn't, only two people know what was actually said and as usual those two statements disagree. :? However, I doubt the rest of the alliance went in 'decieved' of the eye order like you were. Of course the others will support your little coue attempt that jumps them up in the order, but that doesn't make it right. Plus look at this from the brd's perspective, he and his friend just spent a good deal or time putting together the alliance for it, and now you tell one of them they can't even achieve the entire point of the event. If you really didn't agree with the bard going ahead I'm sure you could have voiced your opinion and simply warped out. Problem solved, drama avoided.
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Everyone is Happy now yayayaya!! Z and cerescole are friends!!! Instead of a cluster 200k was enough for Zealotx(Goddamn U hundredfist) I kept my eye cluster So im not too upset, Just the fact that I died 5 times and deleved
Cerescole obviously is a good player with 3 jobs passed 70 and Zealot is also a great player! But I am the best......... Thats why I die so damn much Aghhhh Invite me to your Pts.
Everyone is Happy now yayayaya!! Z and cerescole are friends!!! Instead of a cluster 200k was enough for Zealotx(Goddamn U hundredfist) I kept my eye cluster So im not too upset, Just the fact that I died 5 times and deleved
Cerescole obviously is a good player with 3 jobs passed 70 and Zealot is also a great player! But I am the best......... Thats why I die so damn much Aghhhh Invite me to your Pts.Zealot X said:
I understand it's hard to tank as a ninja, but no one is perfect - not you and not me :? Standing up for yourself is ok, but this sounded like more of a brag post to defend yourself as a tank after I said I can't judge your tanking abilities in parties. Actually, many were at fault, including yourself =/ you even admitted that you didn't know any strategy for beating it. Other then how you're trying to make it sound like you're perfect, I have no problems with you.
Just for the record, I sent /tells to some of the DD asking why they didn't listen to me and got no responses. It's not easy tanking and it's not easy trying to get an alliance of people to follow directions. And when I said that, it wasn't meant to be taken as you suck as a ninja, but rather at the job you did tanking hakutaku. And if the mages in your party weren't giving you paralyzna, then just another reason you aren't 100% to blame. Besides, I didn't know you'd never fought it before or I would have explained it to you in /tell :?
Don't worry about the fight - it's over and done with. I didn't spread anything about you in game; I told the red mage and one of the black mages that was there that you had posted something about it on the qcdn flameboard and that they might like to read it. That was it.
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But that was my problem with you. There wasn't a problem with the job that I did as the nin tank. I never stated that I was perfect but I do know from months of experience that I'm a good tank. I didn't post on the flameboard to make myself look good. It was simply to defend myself against looking bad. And when other people don't do what they're supposed to do nins often look bad. In some parties the only times that I get hit is when the whm or rdm wait til after I cast Ni in order to give me haste. Haste after Ni doesn't decrease the casting time right then and there. It only effects the casting time after the next Ni spell is cast. The result is having no shadows and waiting an extra 10-12 sec for the next cast.
It never mattered at all that I didn't look up the strategy before I came. The strategy doesn't involve me doing anything I wouldn't normally do. The strategy involves everyone else and what they need to do to keep hate on me. The fact is, if you would have had the courtesy to send me a /tell about that fight instead of /p "No, you suck" I would have explained to you what I did and the fact that I asked over and over for TA and no one listened. I would never ever blame you for people not listening to you. There's no way that's your fault. And I tried to be nice about it too. After you said that I told you to check the log. And I also said other people (plural) were voking. I wasn't just talking about you. In no way do I blame you for the chaos that it turned into. Like Tisbolo said you're a good player. But as a good player you shouldn't have said you suck in /p when you couldn't even see what I was doing nor checked the log to see if what you were claiming (that I wasn't voking) was actually true. What if people didn't invite me thinking that I don't voke? For a tank that's a major issue. I would never PT with a tank who doesn't voke and that's what you accused me of. And you never appologize either after my explanation because now you think I'm just bragging. You're the one who said "for someone with emnity+14..." >.< You tried to make me sound incompetent (perhaps someone with better gear than skill) based on 100% false information. "Check the log"
But its not like you lied. You just didn't know. And yes, I can understand you wanting to blame someone for your death. But you never tried to appologize for being wrong about my tanking ability; even in that fight. You just left it as is. And you can't even tell me one thing I did wrong or name one thing I could have done but didn't do to make it better. To me that's not only unfair, its irresponsible. If I was wrong about another player I would be man enough to appologize in front of the same people who heard whatever I said about them. Why do you think I appologized for calling you a him even though I didn't know?
So if you are the good player we think you are I am asking you to:
1. Tell me what I didn't do (that I actually didn't do)
2. Appologize if indeed you were wrong
Please do either of those 2 things and we can be friends. Or if you or anyone else thinks these 2 things are unfair then let me know and I'll just drop it.
It never mattered at all that I didn't look up the strategy before I came. The strategy doesn't involve me doing anything I wouldn't normally do. The strategy involves everyone else and what they need to do to keep hate on me. The fact is, if you would have had the courtesy to send me a /tell about that fight instead of /p "No, you suck" I would have explained to you what I did and the fact that I asked over and over for TA and no one listened. I would never ever blame you for people not listening to you. There's no way that's your fault. And I tried to be nice about it too. After you said that I told you to check the log. And I also said other people (plural) were voking. I wasn't just talking about you. In no way do I blame you for the chaos that it turned into. Like Tisbolo said you're a good player. But as a good player you shouldn't have said you suck in /p when you couldn't even see what I was doing nor checked the log to see if what you were claiming (that I wasn't voking) was actually true. What if people didn't invite me thinking that I don't voke? For a tank that's a major issue. I would never PT with a tank who doesn't voke and that's what you accused me of. And you never appologize either after my explanation because now you think I'm just bragging. You're the one who said "for someone with emnity+14..." >.< You tried to make me sound incompetent (perhaps someone with better gear than skill) based on 100% false information. "Check the log"
But its not like you lied. You just didn't know. And yes, I can understand you wanting to blame someone for your death. But you never tried to appologize for being wrong about my tanking ability; even in that fight. You just left it as is. And you can't even tell me one thing I did wrong or name one thing I could have done but didn't do to make it better. To me that's not only unfair, its irresponsible. If I was wrong about another player I would be man enough to appologize in front of the same people who heard whatever I said about them. Why do you think I appologized for calling you a him even though I didn't know?
So if you are the good player we think you are I am asking you to:
1. Tell me what I didn't do (that I actually didn't do)
2. Appologize if indeed you were wrong
Please do either of those 2 things and we can be friends. Or if you or anyone else thinks these 2 things are unfair then let me know and I'll just drop it.
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I'd like to squash this
But that was my problem with you. There wasn't a problem with the job that I did as the nin tank. I never stated that I was perfect but I do know from months of experience that I'm a good tank. I didn't post on the flameboard to make myself look good. It was simply to defend myself against looking bad. And when other people don't do what they're supposed to do nins often look bad. In some parties the only times that I get hit is when the whm or rdm wait til after I cast Ni in order to give me haste. Haste after Ni doesn't decrease the casting time right then and there. It only effects the casting time after the next Ni spell is cast. The result is having no shadows and waiting an extra 10-12 sec for the next cast.
It never mattered at all that I didn't look up the strategy before I came. The strategy doesn't involve me doing anything I wouldn't normally do. The strategy involves everyone else and what they need to do to keep hate on me. The fact is, if you would have had the courtesy to send me a /tell about that fight instead of /p "No, you suck" I would have explained to you what I did and the fact that I asked over and over for TA and no one listened. I would never ever blame you for people not listening to you. There's no way that's your fault. And I tried to be nice about it too. After you said that I told you to check the log. And I also said other people (plural) were voking. I wasn't just talking about you. In no way do I blame you for the chaos that it turned into. Like Tisbolo said you're a good player. But as a good player you shouldn't have said you suck in /p when you couldn't even see what I was doing nor checked the log to see if what you were claiming (that I wasn't voking) was actually true. What if people didn't invite me thinking that I don't voke? For a tank that's a major issue. I would never PT with a tank who doesn't voke and that's what you accused me of. And you never appologize either after my explanation because now you think I'm just bragging. You're the one who said "for someone with emnity+14..." >.< You tried to make me sound incompetent (perhaps someone with better gear than skill) based on 100% false information. "Check the log"
But its not like you lied. You just didn't know. And yes, I can understand you wanting to blame someone for your death. But you never tried to appologize for being wrong about my tanking ability; even in that fight. You just left it as is. And you can't even tell me one thing I did wrong or name one thing I could have done but didn't do to make it better. To me that's not only unfair, its irresponsible. If I was wrong about another player I would be man enough to appologize in front of the same people who heard whatever I said about them. Why do you think I appologized for calling you a him even though I didn't know?
So if you are the good player we think you are I am asking you to:
1. Tell me what I didn't do (that I actually didn't do)
2. Appologize if indeed you were wrong
Please do either of those 2 things and we can be friends. Or if you or anyone else thinks these 2 things are unfair then let me know and I'll just drop it.
But that was my problem with you. There wasn't a problem with the job that I did as the nin tank. I never stated that I was perfect but I do know from months of experience that I'm a good tank. I didn't post on the flameboard to make myself look good. It was simply to defend myself against looking bad. And when other people don't do what they're supposed to do nins often look bad. In some parties the only times that I get hit is when the whm or rdm wait til after I cast Ni in order to give me haste. Haste after Ni doesn't decrease the casting time right then and there. It only effects the casting time after the next Ni spell is cast. The result is having no shadows and waiting an extra 10-12 sec for the next cast.
It never mattered at all that I didn't look up the strategy before I came. The strategy doesn't involve me doing anything I wouldn't normally do. The strategy involves everyone else and what they need to do to keep hate on me. The fact is, if you would have had the courtesy to send me a /tell about that fight instead of /p "No, you suck" I would have explained to you what I did and the fact that I asked over and over for TA and no one listened. I would never ever blame you for people not listening to you. There's no way that's your fault. And I tried to be nice about it too. After you said that I told you to check the log. And I also said other people (plural) were voking. I wasn't just talking about you. In no way do I blame you for the chaos that it turned into. Like Tisbolo said you're a good player. But as a good player you shouldn't have said you suck in /p when you couldn't even see what I was doing nor checked the log to see if what you were claiming (that I wasn't voking) was actually true. What if people didn't invite me thinking that I don't voke? For a tank that's a major issue. I would never PT with a tank who doesn't voke and that's what you accused me of. And you never appologize either after my explanation because now you think I'm just bragging. You're the one who said "for someone with emnity+14..." >.< You tried to make me sound incompetent (perhaps someone with better gear than skill) based on 100% false information. "Check the log"
But its not like you lied. You just didn't know. And yes, I can understand you wanting to blame someone for your death. But you never tried to appologize for being wrong about my tanking ability; even in that fight. You just left it as is. And you can't even tell me one thing I did wrong or name one thing I could have done but didn't do to make it better. To me that's not only unfair, its irresponsible. If I was wrong about another player I would be man enough to appologize in front of the same people who heard whatever I said about them. Why do you think I appologized for calling you a him even though I didn't know?
So if you are the good player we think you are I am asking you to:
1. Tell me what I didn't do (that I actually didn't do)
2. Appologize if indeed you were wrong
Please do either of those 2 things and we can be friends. Or if you or anyone else thinks these 2 things are unfair then let me know and I'll just drop it.
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You were wrong so can we just squash this?
But that was my problem with you. There wasn't a problem with the job that I did as the nin tank. I never stated that I was perfect but I do know from months of experience that I'm a good tank. I didn't post on the flameboard to make myself look good. It was simply to defend myself against looking bad. And when other people don't do what they're supposed to do nins often look bad. In some parties the only times that I get hit is when the whm or rdm wait til after I cast Ni in order to give me haste. Haste after Ni doesn't decrease the casting time right then and there. It only effects the casting time after the next Ni spell is cast. The result is having no shadows and waiting an extra 10-12 sec for the next cast.
It never mattered at all that I didn't look up the strategy before I came. The strategy doesn't involve me doing anything I wouldn't normally do. The strategy involves everyone else and what they need to do to keep hate on me. The fact is, if you would have had the courtesy to send me a /tell about that fight instead of /p "No, you suck" I would have explained to you what I did and the fact that I asked over and over for TA and no one listened. I would never ever blame you for people not listening to you. There's no way that's your fault. And I tried to be nice about it too. After you said that I told you to check the log. And I also said other people (plural) were voking. I wasn't just talking about you. In no way do I blame you for the chaos that it turned into. Like Tisbolo said you're a good player. But as a good player you shouldn't have said you suck in /p when you couldn't even see what I was doing nor checked the log to see if what you were claiming (that I wasn't voking) was actually true. What if people didn't invite me thinking that I don't voke? For a tank that's a major issue. I would never PT with a tank who doesn't voke and that's what you accused me of. And you never appologize either after my explanation because now you think I'm just bragging. You're the one who said "for someone with emnity+14..." >.< You tried to make me sound incompetent (perhaps someone with better gear than skill) based on 100% false information. "Check the log"
But its not like you lied. You just didn't know. And yes, I can understand you wanting to blame someone for your death. But you never tried to appologize for being wrong about my tanking ability; even in that fight. You just left it as is. And you can't even tell me one thing I did wrong or name one thing I could have done but didn't do to make it better. To me that's not only unfair, its irresponsible. If I was wrong about another player I would be man enough to appologize in front of the same people who heard whatever I said about them. Why do you think I appologized for calling you a him even though I didn't know?
So if you are the good player we think you are I am asking you to:
1. Tell me what I didn't do (that I actually didn't do)
2. Appologize if indeed you were wrong
Please do either of those 2 things and we can be friends. Or if you or anyone else thinks these 2 things are unfair then let me know and I'll just drop it.
But that was my problem with you. There wasn't a problem with the job that I did as the nin tank. I never stated that I was perfect but I do know from months of experience that I'm a good tank. I didn't post on the flameboard to make myself look good. It was simply to defend myself against looking bad. And when other people don't do what they're supposed to do nins often look bad. In some parties the only times that I get hit is when the whm or rdm wait til after I cast Ni in order to give me haste. Haste after Ni doesn't decrease the casting time right then and there. It only effects the casting time after the next Ni spell is cast. The result is having no shadows and waiting an extra 10-12 sec for the next cast.
It never mattered at all that I didn't look up the strategy before I came. The strategy doesn't involve me doing anything I wouldn't normally do. The strategy involves everyone else and what they need to do to keep hate on me. The fact is, if you would have had the courtesy to send me a /tell about that fight instead of /p "No, you suck" I would have explained to you what I did and the fact that I asked over and over for TA and no one listened. I would never ever blame you for people not listening to you. There's no way that's your fault. And I tried to be nice about it too. After you said that I told you to check the log. And I also said other people (plural) were voking. I wasn't just talking about you. In no way do I blame you for the chaos that it turned into. Like Tisbolo said you're a good player. But as a good player you shouldn't have said you suck in /p when you couldn't even see what I was doing nor checked the log to see if what you were claiming (that I wasn't voking) was actually true. What if people didn't invite me thinking that I don't voke? For a tank that's a major issue. I would never PT with a tank who doesn't voke and that's what you accused me of. And you never appologize either after my explanation because now you think I'm just bragging. You're the one who said "for someone with emnity+14..." >.< You tried to make me sound incompetent (perhaps someone with better gear than skill) based on 100% false information. "Check the log"
But its not like you lied. You just didn't know. And yes, I can understand you wanting to blame someone for your death. But you never tried to appologize for being wrong about my tanking ability; even in that fight. You just left it as is. And you can't even tell me one thing I did wrong or name one thing I could have done but didn't do to make it better. To me that's not only unfair, its irresponsible. If I was wrong about another player I would be man enough to appologize in front of the same people who heard whatever I said about them. Why do you think I appologized for calling you a him even though I didn't know?
So if you are the good player we think you are I am asking you to:
1. Tell me what I didn't do (that I actually didn't do)
2. Appologize if indeed you were wrong
Please do either of those 2 things and we can be friends. Or if you or anyone else thinks these 2 things are unfair then let me know and I'll just drop it.
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You were wrong so can we just squash this?
But that was my problem with you. There wasn't a problem with the job that I did as the nin tank. I never stated that I was perfect but I do know from months of experience that I'm a good tank. I didn't post on the flameboard to make myself look good. It was simply to defend myself against looking bad. And when other people don't do what they're supposed to do nins often look bad. In some parties the only times that I get hit is when the whm or rdm wait til after I cast Ni in order to give me haste. Haste after Ni doesn't decrease the casting time right then and there. It only effects the casting time after the next Ni spell is cast. The result is having no shadows and waiting an extra 10-12 sec for the next cast.
It never mattered at all that I didn't look up the strategy before I came. The strategy doesn't involve me doing anything I wouldn't normally do. The strategy involves everyone else and what they need to do to keep hate on me. The fact is, if you would have had the courtesy to send me a /tell about that fight instead of /p "No, you suck" I would have explained to you what I did and the fact that I asked over and over for TA and no one listened. I would never ever blame you for people not listening to you. There's no way that's your fault. And I tried to be nice about it too. After you said that I told you to check the log. And I also said other people (plural) were voking. I wasn't just talking about you. In no way do I blame you for the chaos that it turned into. Like Tisbolo said you're a good player. But as a good player you shouldn't have said you suck in /p when you couldn't even see what I was doing nor checked the log to see if what you were claiming (that I wasn't voking) was actually true. What if people didn't invite me thinking that I don't voke? For a tank that's a major issue. I would never PT with a tank who doesn't voke and that's what you accused me of. And you never appologize either after my explanation because now you think I'm just bragging. You're the one who said "for someone with emnity+14..." >.< You tried to make me sound incompetent (perhaps someone with better gear than skill) based on 100% false information. "Check the log"
But its not like you lied. You just didn't know. And yes, I can understand you wanting to blame someone for your death. But you never tried to appologize for being wrong about my tanking ability; even in that fight. You just left it as is. And you can't even tell me one thing I did wrong or name one thing I could have done but didn't do to make it better. To me that's not only unfair, its irresponsible. If I was wrong about another player I would be man enough to appologize in front of the same people who heard whatever I said about them. Why do you think I appologized for calling you a him even though I didn't know?
So if you are the good player we think you are I am asking you to:
1. Tell me what I didn't do (that I actually didn't do)
2. Appologize if indeed you were wrong
Please do either of those 2 things and we can be friends. Or if you or anyone else thinks these 2 things are unfair then let me know and I'll just drop it.
But that was my problem with you. There wasn't a problem with the job that I did as the nin tank. I never stated that I was perfect but I do know from months of experience that I'm a good tank. I didn't post on the flameboard to make myself look good. It was simply to defend myself against looking bad. And when other people don't do what they're supposed to do nins often look bad. In some parties the only times that I get hit is when the whm or rdm wait til after I cast Ni in order to give me haste. Haste after Ni doesn't decrease the casting time right then and there. It only effects the casting time after the next Ni spell is cast. The result is having no shadows and waiting an extra 10-12 sec for the next cast.
It never mattered at all that I didn't look up the strategy before I came. The strategy doesn't involve me doing anything I wouldn't normally do. The strategy involves everyone else and what they need to do to keep hate on me. The fact is, if you would have had the courtesy to send me a /tell about that fight instead of /p "No, you suck" I would have explained to you what I did and the fact that I asked over and over for TA and no one listened. I would never ever blame you for people not listening to you. There's no way that's your fault. And I tried to be nice about it too. After you said that I told you to check the log. And I also said other people (plural) were voking. I wasn't just talking about you. In no way do I blame you for the chaos that it turned into. Like Tisbolo said you're a good player. But as a good player you shouldn't have said you suck in /p when you couldn't even see what I was doing nor checked the log to see if what you were claiming (that I wasn't voking) was actually true. What if people didn't invite me thinking that I don't voke? For a tank that's a major issue. I would never PT with a tank who doesn't voke and that's what you accused me of. And you never appologize either after my explanation because now you think I'm just bragging. You're the one who said "for someone with emnity+14..." >.< You tried to make me sound incompetent (perhaps someone with better gear than skill) based on 100% false information. "Check the log"
But its not like you lied. You just didn't know. And yes, I can understand you wanting to blame someone for your death. But you never tried to appologize for being wrong about my tanking ability; even in that fight. You just left it as is. And you can't even tell me one thing I did wrong or name one thing I could have done but didn't do to make it better. To me that's not only unfair, its irresponsible. If I was wrong about another player I would be man enough to appologize in front of the same people who heard whatever I said about them. Why do you think I appologized for calling you a him even though I didn't know?
So if you are the good player we think you are I am asking you to:
1. Tell me what I didn't do (that I actually didn't do)
2. Appologize if indeed you were wrong
Please do either of those 2 things and we can be friends. Or if you or anyone else thinks these 2 things are unfair then let me know and I'll just drop it.
I'm like Cerescole, I didnt see much voking going on, on your part.
I know this because I was casting Paralyna on her the whole time, and if you had been voking like you said you were, then I would have been casting on you. I do have Macro's for it just like any other spell I need to cast, so the tank, ect. knows that I am casting the spell.
After the first fight, Cerescole and I tried to explain what people needed to do, and NO ONE would listen. We said I dont know how many time, for ALL melee to move to any add, well that didnt happen, the pld took the adds, without any help. We also said for ALL melee to stay to the sides and watch thier hate, that didnt happen, and it was said many times that Cerescole was back up tank. I know this because I said it like 50 times.
I dont know why people dont want to listen, they just do what ever the hell they wanna do. I also told people before we left to buy oils and powders, did they, NO.
I just dont see how you can flame people and say you were voking the whole time, if Cerescole was the one needing Paralyna all the time, If I remeber right, I think you needed it like 3 times, the whole time.
Right before the total wipe, most of all that was left was you, Cerescole and me and I think someone else, Cerescole was even weakened and she gets up, because I was getting beat on for curing, and vokes and trys to tank it that way, because you were running around like a lost dog.
So yeah I think YOU needed to check the log, before you open your mouth. Dont matter what armor, how much it cost, what the stats are, if you dont do your job, and voke, it doesnt mean shit.
I know this because I was casting Paralyna on her the whole time, and if you had been voking like you said you were, then I would have been casting on you. I do have Macro's for it just like any other spell I need to cast, so the tank, ect. knows that I am casting the spell.
After the first fight, Cerescole and I tried to explain what people needed to do, and NO ONE would listen. We said I dont know how many time, for ALL melee to move to any add, well that didnt happen, the pld took the adds, without any help. We also said for ALL melee to stay to the sides and watch thier hate, that didnt happen, and it was said many times that Cerescole was back up tank. I know this because I said it like 50 times.
I dont know why people dont want to listen, they just do what ever the hell they wanna do. I also told people before we left to buy oils and powders, did they, NO.
I just dont see how you can flame people and say you were voking the whole time, if Cerescole was the one needing Paralyna all the time, If I remeber right, I think you needed it like 3 times, the whole time.
Right before the total wipe, most of all that was left was you, Cerescole and me and I think someone else, Cerescole was even weakened and she gets up, because I was getting beat on for curing, and vokes and trys to tank it that way, because you were running around like a lost dog.
So yeah I think YOU needed to check the log, before you open your mouth. Dont matter what armor, how much it cost, what the stats are, if you dont do your job, and voke, it doesnt mean shit.
Re: You were wrong so can we just squash this?
1) thank you, Perfect.
2) I never got an appology :| Do you want me to appologize to you for saying "you sucked" when you did? I only came on here defending myself :? so you want me to what? send everyone in that alliance a /tell saying "my bad, he did a great job!"? If they didn't listen to me then on instructions, I highly doubt they cared about my opinion of you after the fight :| so enough about your gear and skill in xp parties, everyone is intitled to their own opinion.
Wait, actually, you remember in game where I sent you the /tell "sorry for any misunderstandings"? That was pretty one-sided, too :?
Zealot X said:
1) thank you, Perfect.
2) I never got an appology :| Do you want me to appologize to you for saying "you sucked" when you did? I only came on here defending myself :? so you want me to what? send everyone in that alliance a /tell saying "my bad, he did a great job!"? If they didn't listen to me then on instructions, I highly doubt they cared about my opinion of you after the fight :| so enough about your gear and skill in xp parties, everyone is intitled to their own opinion.
Wait, actually, you remember in game where I sent you the /tell "sorry for any misunderstandings"? That was pretty one-sided, too :?
A few things that I want to interject. Note that I wasn't there at the time, and I've never fought Hakutaku, so everything I'm saying is based off of only what was said in the thread.
1. Zealot supposedly not using Provoke: I think this is one thing that can be blamed on Zealot X. He uses a few /equip lines in his Provoke macro, to put on +Emnity gear right before using Provoke. This causes his character to "blink" for a second (disappear and reappear as his character model changes). This also has a side effect of not causing the Provoke animation or sound to show. Thus, it looked like he never used Provoke to anyone that wasn't reading the chat logs (and in a large fight like that, you have to use filters for most things so you can see what's going on). Zealot should have told everyone else that that's what his Provoke macro does, so they know that he's still using Provoke even though there's no sound or animation for it.
2. Zealot's inexperience against Hakutaku: I don't know if Zealot said this or not, but he should have told the alliance that he's never tanked Hakutaku before.
3. Zealot not getting Paralyna: This was partly Perfectangel's fault, and partly becuase of pont #1 above. Perfect didn't see the Provoke animation, so she assumed Zealot wasn't using it and thus didn't need Paralyna.
4. The other melee not using SATA: This was everyone else's fault. They should have used SATA on to either Zealot or Cerescole, depending on who's currently behind Hakutaku. Everyone that was there and that posted here said that they tried to tell the alliance to use SATA on to one of the tanks, and they didn't listen.
5. Zealot not looking up a strategy: This isn't his fault, I think. He said that the alliance asked him to come, and offered a reward to get him to leave hisi exp party. Thus, he obviously didn't have the time to look up a strategy before going in to fight.
And that's what I think went wrong, based off of what you guys have said in this thread. As I said before, I'm basing everything off of only what's here in this thread, not off of what actually happened.
1. Zealot supposedly not using Provoke: I think this is one thing that can be blamed on Zealot X. He uses a few /equip lines in his Provoke macro, to put on +Emnity gear right before using Provoke. This causes his character to "blink" for a second (disappear and reappear as his character model changes). This also has a side effect of not causing the Provoke animation or sound to show. Thus, it looked like he never used Provoke to anyone that wasn't reading the chat logs (and in a large fight like that, you have to use filters for most things so you can see what's going on). Zealot should have told everyone else that that's what his Provoke macro does, so they know that he's still using Provoke even though there's no sound or animation for it.
2. Zealot's inexperience against Hakutaku: I don't know if Zealot said this or not, but he should have told the alliance that he's never tanked Hakutaku before.
3. Zealot not getting Paralyna: This was partly Perfectangel's fault, and partly becuase of pont #1 above. Perfect didn't see the Provoke animation, so she assumed Zealot wasn't using it and thus didn't need Paralyna.
4. The other melee not using SATA: This was everyone else's fault. They should have used SATA on to either Zealot or Cerescole, depending on who's currently behind Hakutaku. Everyone that was there and that posted here said that they tried to tell the alliance to use SATA on to one of the tanks, and they didn't listen.
5. Zealot not looking up a strategy: This isn't his fault, I think. He said that the alliance asked him to come, and offered a reward to get him to leave hisi exp party. Thus, he obviously didn't have the time to look up a strategy before going in to fight.
And that's what I think went wrong, based off of what you guys have said in this thread. As I said before, I'm basing everything off of only what's here in this thread, not off of what actually happened.
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I told people in the Party chat that this was his first time Tanking Hakutaku and if he needed anything special for the fight.... No response from anyone because noone was listening. Another thing is Why did yall say he did an excellent job when we won the fight ..but when we lose Hes horrible.. I dont get it anymore!! First Off we had Not enough healing power second I said I had another WHM coming but everyone wanted to rush into And get demolished.. I do not Know why everyone is making this such a big deal anymore!!! Just erase this post already or itll keep getting worst. We equally did bad as a group thats why we all got killed... N thats why me and biggdaddy died 5 times its cause we were just unorganized thats all. U cant blame it On a ninja...U cant blame it on the second Tank ..U cant blame it on not having any Whms because we thought we could win without them.. It was a long day everyone was irritated and tired and it takes a team to win. She said u sucked Z, i know cerescole also said i suck once upon a time but We sorted out our differences and became friends!!!
The person who should be upset is Perfect shes the one who lost her Eye cluster!!!!!!!!! Other then that Have fun in the game.
I told people in the Party chat that this was his first time Tanking Hakutaku and if he needed anything special for the fight.... No response from anyone because noone was listening. Another thing is Why did yall say he did an excellent job when we won the fight ..but when we lose Hes horrible.. I dont get it anymore!! First Off we had Not enough healing power second I said I had another WHM coming but everyone wanted to rush into And get demolished.. I do not Know why everyone is making this such a big deal anymore!!! Just erase this post already or itll keep getting worst. We equally did bad as a group thats why we all got killed... N thats why me and biggdaddy died 5 times its cause we were just unorganized thats all. U cant blame it On a ninja...U cant blame it on the second Tank ..U cant blame it on not having any Whms because we thought we could win without them.. It was a long day everyone was irritated and tired and it takes a team to win. She said u sucked Z, i know cerescole also said i suck once upon a time but We sorted out our differences and became friends!!!
The person who should be upset is Perfect shes the one who lost her Eye cluster!!!!!!!!! Other then that Have fun in the game.
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Perfect, you are wrong too. Just like Sethala said you couldn't see it. And why couldn't you see it? Because my character model was changing at the time. You guys are high lvl. This should not be difficult to understand. And yes I was paralyzed practically from 4/5 Hakutaku's hp. I called for TA and then I called for it again with "TA <call>". Nothing... Once I saw that I had missed a voke I called for paralyna just like I called for haste at the very beginning before the fight and without the battle spam. If I'm ignored for so long I'm not going to keep repeating myself in vain.
I don't recall any such /tell from Cerescole and its possible that I was afk at the time. Yesterday I sent Cerescole a /tell after talking to Tisbolo. He told me that people were saying that I flamed her which I didn't think I was doing at all. So I sent her a /tell apologizing for that misunderstanding, ready to squash it right then and there. She never responded. She was in a PT at the time so maybe she was busy. But I said in /tell that I would respond to her last post. And in that post I said I was not flaming her. I was only defending myself against inaccurate assumptions about my tanking. And just because neither of you saw the animation doesn't mean the vokes never took place. I can repeat that as many times as you need me to.
@Sethala
You know I never thought to explain my voke macros. I never have to do that in XP parties so I honestly didn't even think about it. Even if I had done that everything we said was ignored except one thing. I asked someone to sleep it so I could get 2 vokes in. And that was done. But I didn't get haste which already puts me in an awkward position and I couldn't get status cures. But I wasn't even blaming people, like oh you didn't get my paralyze off or you didn't haste me. All I said was "mmm... that sucked". Trust me, I could have said more but I'm not a mean guy and I didn't see any point to it since there wasn't going to be a next fight. But then I had to hear "no, you suck" after I did what I needed to do. But after I heard that I did try to explain my macro and Cerescole said something like "are you saying that Utsu=Provoke?". But I did try to explain and like the 99% of the time it was ignored.
@perfect
The only reason I was runnning around like a dog was because I wasn't getting any SATA's so there was no way the NM was going to come to me. Should I have stayed in one spot and voked from there until it came back? Of course not. I at least needed to get some hits in while I waited for my voke timer to reach 0. As for paralyze, you don't get just because you have hate. You get it from being in front of the NM. So w/e you saw me doing should not have mattered as to you casting paralyna. The only reason I was ever in the rear of Hakutaku was to set up for SATA which like I said.... it never happened.
"I'm like Cerescole, I didnt see much voking going on, on your part. "
Yes, as its been said, that was due to an equipment change macro. You don't have to "see" it for it to happen. And I cannot assume that people don't know whether I'm voking or not. It should be assume that I am because I'm the tank. Better to err on the side fo caution, no? And for what reason would I not voke? That doesn't even make sense.
As for knowing the strategy. Even people who had been there much longer didn't know it. And it was a general strategy for the whole battle, not a specific strategy for the nin tank to follow. I only had to do what I normally do in any XP party. If there is a DD with /thf he does SATA on me with or without a SATA buddy to grab hate. This should be obvious to all experienced players.
Note:
The first fight ppl saw my voke animation because I have a separate macro to switch back to my regular gear. I didn't switch back in order to spam ninjitsu with the extra emnity on. However, it was weaker than my regular attacks. And I also couldn't hit for jack without my regular gear. So the second fight I swapped back to my regular gear after each voke which is what I normally do in XP parties. This allows me to do much better damage and hold hate better. With hate gear already on there is no blinking of the character model and so you "see" the voke. However, with my regular gear on the voke macro changes gear, creating the blinking effect of the character model, and vokes without you "seeing" the animation.
Now... did I need to go through telling the alliance all that before we got started? It's boring and no one would care. Furthermore, I can't be the only ninja to "blink" while blink-tanking. And in an alliance of high lvl players I wouldn't assume they didn't already know. Who doesn't use equipment change macros at high lvls? Anyway, thank you Sethala and others for trying to understand and not automatically assuming I didn't voke just because of my equipment change macros.
And so in conclusion.... Cerescole, you're still wrong. You can't see my voke if I'm changing equipment so that whole wasn't voking because I didn't see it logic is refuted. And whether you think its bragging or not (I don't) it doesn't change the fact that you were wrong. And no I don't expect you to send /tells to each person saying you were wrong. Just saying it here would be enough. I wouldn't have but if I said the same thing to you and was refuted I would at least apologize.
PEACE!
I don't recall any such /tell from Cerescole and its possible that I was afk at the time. Yesterday I sent Cerescole a /tell after talking to Tisbolo. He told me that people were saying that I flamed her which I didn't think I was doing at all. So I sent her a /tell apologizing for that misunderstanding, ready to squash it right then and there. She never responded. She was in a PT at the time so maybe she was busy. But I said in /tell that I would respond to her last post. And in that post I said I was not flaming her. I was only defending myself against inaccurate assumptions about my tanking. And just because neither of you saw the animation doesn't mean the vokes never took place. I can repeat that as many times as you need me to.
@Sethala
You know I never thought to explain my voke macros. I never have to do that in XP parties so I honestly didn't even think about it. Even if I had done that everything we said was ignored except one thing. I asked someone to sleep it so I could get 2 vokes in. And that was done. But I didn't get haste which already puts me in an awkward position and I couldn't get status cures. But I wasn't even blaming people, like oh you didn't get my paralyze off or you didn't haste me. All I said was "mmm... that sucked". Trust me, I could have said more but I'm not a mean guy and I didn't see any point to it since there wasn't going to be a next fight. But then I had to hear "no, you suck" after I did what I needed to do. But after I heard that I did try to explain my macro and Cerescole said something like "are you saying that Utsu=Provoke?". But I did try to explain and like the 99% of the time it was ignored.
@perfect
The only reason I was runnning around like a dog was because I wasn't getting any SATA's so there was no way the NM was going to come to me. Should I have stayed in one spot and voked from there until it came back? Of course not. I at least needed to get some hits in while I waited for my voke timer to reach 0. As for paralyze, you don't get just because you have hate. You get it from being in front of the NM. So w/e you saw me doing should not have mattered as to you casting paralyna. The only reason I was ever in the rear of Hakutaku was to set up for SATA which like I said.... it never happened.
"I'm like Cerescole, I didnt see much voking going on, on your part. "
Yes, as its been said, that was due to an equipment change macro. You don't have to "see" it for it to happen. And I cannot assume that people don't know whether I'm voking or not. It should be assume that I am because I'm the tank. Better to err on the side fo caution, no? And for what reason would I not voke? That doesn't even make sense.
As for knowing the strategy. Even people who had been there much longer didn't know it. And it was a general strategy for the whole battle, not a specific strategy for the nin tank to follow. I only had to do what I normally do in any XP party. If there is a DD with /thf he does SATA on me with or without a SATA buddy to grab hate. This should be obvious to all experienced players.
Note:
The first fight ppl saw my voke animation because I have a separate macro to switch back to my regular gear. I didn't switch back in order to spam ninjitsu with the extra emnity on. However, it was weaker than my regular attacks. And I also couldn't hit for jack without my regular gear. So the second fight I swapped back to my regular gear after each voke which is what I normally do in XP parties. This allows me to do much better damage and hold hate better. With hate gear already on there is no blinking of the character model and so you "see" the voke. However, with my regular gear on the voke macro changes gear, creating the blinking effect of the character model, and vokes without you "seeing" the animation.
Now... did I need to go through telling the alliance all that before we got started? It's boring and no one would care. Furthermore, I can't be the only ninja to "blink" while blink-tanking. And in an alliance of high lvl players I wouldn't assume they didn't already know. Who doesn't use equipment change macros at high lvls? Anyway, thank you Sethala and others for trying to understand and not automatically assuming I didn't voke just because of my equipment change macros.
And so in conclusion.... Cerescole, you're still wrong. You can't see my voke if I'm changing equipment so that whole wasn't voking because I didn't see it logic is refuted. And whether you think its bragging or not (I don't) it doesn't change the fact that you were wrong. And no I don't expect you to send /tells to each person saying you were wrong. Just saying it here would be enough. I wouldn't have but if I said the same thing to you and was refuted I would at least apologize.
PEACE!
Zealot X said:
You sent me a /tell saying that you heard ppl saying you were flaming me here. I was the one that said sorry for any misunderstandings. YOU never responded. I even told Tisbolo I appologized. ASK HIM! Unless he was afk, too?
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ok ive been asked to weigh in on this...
i was one of two blms that were there, and i witnessed one of the worst tanking jobs by a nin on the second fight, i did not see u voke after the HKTK was at 80% hp u left it up to cere and she did one hell of a job. as far as us not seeing you voking because of ur equipment changing it still makes the provoke graphic, we were doing our best to keep u paralyna and still stun but u werent doing a good job tanking and i dont apperciate my Friend cerescole being bashed when she did her best and did a hell of a lot better then most people could have and put u to shame
i was one of two blms that were there, and i witnessed one of the worst tanking jobs by a nin on the second fight, i did not see u voke after the HKTK was at 80% hp u left it up to cere and she did one hell of a job. as far as us not seeing you voking because of ur equipment changing it still makes the provoke graphic, we were doing our best to keep u paralyna and still stun but u werent doing a good job tanking and i dont apperciate my Friend cerescole being bashed when she did her best and did a hell of a lot better then most people could have and put u to shame
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Ok first of all dont bash my friends. Cere is one of the best tanks there is. I was there as a blm and no was listening to anyone. I was one of the blm that went along. I remeber using paralyna on cere never once on u. I know cere was doing some voking cause she voked of me a few times. so dont come on here and basher her.
ok.. I'll admit I was not there.. But I hear enough from people I knew that were on the run.. I don't understand why you're making Ceres look like the bad person here.. She's a wonderful tank, and has experienced hktk many times.. I don't see it being much fair at all, trying to turn the tables on her like this with those /tells. I will admit, I am tired of people like you, trying to make themselves look good when they really know what happend, only trying to make someone else look at fault, so you can have a nice getaway. Ceres is a sweet person.. and I will tell you, she will not hide how she feels about something, and sometimes people may take it the wrong way.. She said you sucked.. Did you take the time to refer back to all that had happen during the fights, or immediately become defensive..? You say you have equip macro's for your voke, and all that. Can you blame them for thinking you were not since they could not see and you did not bother to tell them that's how you did things? I will tho agree with them you were not voking at all, or atleast not trying.. How do you know they wouldn't listen to you about your macro's? You just expeced they wouldn't. And you say you asked for haste and a TA and didn't get it? Sounds like you need to try harder for some attention.. What I wanna know is why you stuck around if things were so bad..? Yes, there was a lot of confusion, and some people decided to become mindless.. but just know Ceres is a sweet person, and I won't stand to see someone try and turn the tables on her, making her look bad when she did 110% better than what you could have that night.. Ceres pours her heart out into what she does, and her trying to save Perfect while weakend is a perfect example. Zealot.. Get your facts straight. And just cause I was not there, doesn't mean I do not know how everything went. I've known Ceres almost a year now, she's not going to bullshit me about anything that happend that night. You need to stop making her look bad and making things up.. and well.. I agree with Omi, she put you to shame...