I just want to know...

so in the end people are even to lazy to send a pm telling other members they cannot be there even if the excuses are lame?

If you're a member of a static/group and you're committed to go to x event at y given time and can't make it, sending a pm to the leader is the least you can do. So they can look for rep/abort the event to save time for everyone. On the other hand don't give bullshit excuses so you can go farm while everyone is doing the event (happened to me this week >.>;).

If you're the leader, you're bound to be present at the given event. Shit can happens though, but you have the duty to inform people you won't be there even if it's on short notice. Don' be a douche and log in saying "Sorry the princess was in another castle, I had to save her... So we going to Nyzul Isle?" 2h after the gather together time. You'll piss people off because you made them lose their time, you'll lose respect from them and they're going to pass the offer if you try to start a new type of event.
 
Damn Rioko, you REALLY should name names in case this person tries to pull a fast one on others. Ive seen the same happen in other endgame shells that I have been on and it royally sux, especially when that ONE item drops that you want but someone ELSE gets due to luck on a lot...........

P.S. Name names Rioko!!!!!! LOL
 
Blazeoffury said:
Question, what was the other game, because if it was WoW then its possible he was keeping a prior commitment that was supposed to end on time but they guy a dew snares and wiped a dew times on a raid, so his not meaning to screw you could be legit, and your we're people argument could be right, but on both sides because WoW people are people too. If it wasn't a online mmo then ya fuck him.
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Rappa said:
It doesn't matter if it was an MMO or not. If you have another game/rl responsibility that MIGHT cause you to be late (that's MIGHT, not even a guarantee, just MAYBE), then you shouldn't make another obligation. I never, ever sign up for anything unless I know 100% that I can be there and that I can be on-time. Anyone who does otherwise is a jackass.
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Rappa mostly covered it. I know it didn't turn out to be another MMO, but if you die/wipe w/e and you have an obligation waiting on you when you had plenty of time to try to win the first game, you need to stop and do the new obligation without a hitch. I'd be pretty upset if someone I was relying on didn't show because he fails at being responsible for what he/she obligates themselves to.
 
I feel for ya Rio. Kind of like the members of Eternus didn't speak up when Day and Noel had to leave the game for a while. The LS was asked if anyone had a problem with me leading the shell for Limbus and Sea and no one said anything. Then the first run of limbus, 7 people showed, and about the same for sea. It's not really much skin off my ass cause I have almost every piece from Sea and Limbus, but for the others in the shell, they're getting hosed because people don't want to show for commitments.

GROW SOME FUCKING BALLS PEOPLE!! If you're not cool with it, then say something, quit jacking people's time you fucking dirt satchels

Hope it all works out for your statics Rio. If you need someone for Nyzul, I'd be game. I need me some Askar!!

Peace,
Shmed
 
How about you post some names so we can all avoid them?

Hate the fact some people think "no names" is proper or something.
 
Zyn is the one I mentioned, aka Zyndara. Put aside my personal ill wishes for the betterment of the shell after Audino convinced me to give her a shot. Am I shocked she left? No, I'm sure there was some reason. Would it have been nice to hear what that reason was so I could adjust our recruitment sooner? Yerp.

Now I see her being mentioned in Daveeeeeeeeee's recruitment thread (well, I did before today when I found out I was too evil for the site to be able to post in recruitment). Wasn't really aware we were participating in cross shell recruitment. Open season I guess. Good times
 
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jamal said:
Zyn is the one I mentioned, aka Zyndara. Put aside my personal ill wishes for the betterment of the shell after Audino convinced me to give her a shot. Am I shocked she left? No, I'm sure there was some reason. Would it have been nice to hear what that reason was so I could adjust our recruitment sooner? Yerp.

Now I see her being mentioned in Daveeeeeeeeee's recruitment thread (well, I did before today when I found out I was too evil for the site to be able to post in recruitment). Wasn't really aware we were participating in cross shell recruitment. Open season I guess. Good times
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Typical of you that you didn't have the balls to speak to me directly if you had a question. For your information, and so my name doesn't get slandered any further... The first night I came back to the game like a month or so ago, Audino, who is a long time friend of mine traded me a pearl to SnB without any discussion. Maybe you should have spoken to him before you started opening your mouth, but I'd expect nothing less. I said to him that I did not know how often I'd be online now, or if I'd be staying at all and I specifically told him I was pretty sure you hated my guts anyway. He assured me you didn't and told me that he'd love to see me in the shell. I never made a committment to SnB. I accepted a pearl from a friend with his complete understanding that I was not making a committment to any shell because I didn't know how long I'd be around, and I was damn sure I wasn't comfortable with you. Couple that with the fact that the following week you made an asshole of yourself here with me like you usually do, I thought it was pretty clear that we were like oil and water and wanted nothing to do with you anymore. I wasn't even in SnB after the ten minutes I was in it that first night. So spare me your self-righteous bullshit. I started with Daveee's shell like last week when I decided I planned to stick around because more of my friends were in that shell and it didn't have a leader I couldn't stomach. So you go ahead and kid yourself that I skipped out on some committment to SnB, without the facts as usual, but how about from now on you leave my name out of your mouth? You are the most miserable person I've ever met in my entire life, and I'm done dealing with you.
 
Zyndara said:
Typical of you that you didn't have the balls to speak to me directly if you had a question. For your information, and so my name doesn't get slandered any further... The first night I came back to the game like a month or so ago, Audino, who is a long time friend of mine traded me a pearl to SnB without any discussion. Maybe you should have spoken to him before you started opening your mouth, but I'd expect nothing less. I said to him that I did not know how often I'd be online now, or if I'd be staying at all and I specifically told him I was pretty sure you hated my guts anyway. He assured me you didn't and told me that he'd love to see me in the shell. I never made a committment to SnB. I accepted a pearl from a friend with his complete understanding that I was not making a committment to any shell because I didn't know how long I'd be around, and I was damn sure I wasn't comfortable with you. Couple that with the fact that the following week you made an asshole of yourself here with me like you usually do, I thought it was pretty clear that we were like oil and water and wanted nothing to do with you anymore. I wasn't even in SnB after the ten minutes I was in it that first night. So spare me your self-righteous bullshit. I started with Daveee's shell like last week when I decided I planned to stick around because more of my friends were in that shell and it didn't have a leader I couldn't stomach. So you go ahead and kid yourself that I skipped out on some committment to SnB, without the facts as usual, but how about from now on you leave my name out of your mouth? You are the most miserable person I've ever met in my entire life, and I'm done dealing with you.
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Audino approved my post. He saw it before hand and didn't mention anything to me. Had it been something that needed discussion, he could have not approved the post. You hopped out on our shell, YOU have the responsibility to discuss it, not me.
 
Did you receive anything from the shell? Sounds like you didn't from your post, but I cannot guess why anyone would be mad if you left without receiving anything so I am hesistant to assume you didn't. Anyways, if you didn't, no one has the right to complain. When new players join any group, they have the right to leave any time before they start gaining assistance whether it be in the form of help, gil or items. A LS has every right to allow someone a trial period in which they test that player and it works both ways; a player has every right to test the LS if it's a good fit for them as well. After that point; however, you're indebted to the group to help and shouldn't just leave after receiving help. There's a certain understanding that players help one another and that if I were to assist you, you would do the same for me.
 
She didn't receive anything from the shell. I merely wanted some communication so I could adjust my recruitment. Instead, it put us two weeks behind (our trial period) in recruitment thinking that she'd show up.

I agree with trial periods. She left without the decency of communication, which was what the OP was discussing. She's in know way debted to us.

However, we did have a discussion before she joined, and agreed to set aside our differences from the board.
 
Lavi said:
Did you receive anything from the shell? Sounds like you didn't from your post, but I cannot guess why anyone would be mad if you left without receiving anything so I am hesistant to assume you didn't. Anyways, if you didn't, no one has the right to complain. When new players join any group, they have the right to leave any time before they start gaining assistance whether it be in the form of help, gil or items. A LS has every right to allow someone a trial period in which they test that player and it works both ways; a player has every right to test the LS if it's a good fit for them as well. After that point; however, you're indebted to the group to help and shouldn't just leave after receiving help. There's a certain understanding that players help one another and that if I were to assist you, you would do the same for me.
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No I didn't. Like I said, I was in the shell for ten minutes the night Audino gave me the pearl during which I all of said hello and that was it. I never went to one event, didn't register for any websites or get anything from them. I have not been in the shell since that one night, nor have I spoken to any of them. Jamal's mad because that's his MO, to "call people out" on perceived slights rather than deal with them like an adult. For the record, this is the FIRST I am hearing of any kind of soreness about me not being in SnB - I did not receive one tell, not from anyone in SnB, regarding anything he's talking about.
 
Friend or not, no one obviously makes anyone trade for a pearl. I know I've turned down pearls and explained why, and of course being good friends they understood. Hm, this isnt even to place blame on anyone, just saying if a friend bought me a coconut cake I sure as hell wouldn't eat it. (haha sorry I cant compare game mechanics to rape or murder like I've seen on here before, so I'll just use cake!)
 
Saocide said:
Friend or not, no one obviously makes anyone trade for a pearl. I know I've turned down pearls and explained why, and of course being good friends they understood. Hm, this isnt even to place blame on anyone, just saying if a friend bought me a coconut cake I sure as hell wouldn't eat it. (haha sorry I cant compare game mechanics to rape or murder like I've seen on here before, so I'll just use cake!)
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I'm not saying anyone forces you to take a pearl. I took a pearl not knowing whether it was all znm, or znm and social or what. Audino told me "I'll tell you more about the shell next time you're on." And it was another couple of weeks before I even signed on again. I took a pearl from a friend because he was my friend, and had I not explained myself to him, I could see people getting pissy. But I was very clear that I was not making a committment. In fact, I don't even have the goddamned pearl, I dropped it the next time I was on.
 
jamal said:
She didn't receive anything from the shell. I merely wanted some communication so I could adjust my recruitment.
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This isn't true for everyone. He's pissed when I quit the shell and I never ran with them on anything, never gained anything obviously (since I didn't run). I believe Audino was understanding to it since it was due to RL and I promise, you really only seen me on the game (a little before and after I quit) on sunday's only. I gave Jamal and Audino communication. Audino was ok. Jamal instead, in a PM, through my quitting back in my face. He is recruiting for a WHM now, I offered before we had a falling out to help them out since I had free time. I didn't expect any items for my help, but I figured they needed it. He ignored me, then through it in my face later. Then of course the actions in the Event Scheduling thread that inevitably lead to his current status that he made light of in an earlier post. Either way, I'd trust Zyn over Jamal in this particular situation. Of the leadership in SnB, the only one I'd trust completely and whole heartily is Audino anyway. I have an unparalleled amount of respect for him as a leader, player and friend in this game.
 
jamal said:
However, we did have a discussion before she joined, and agreed to set aside our differences from the board.
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We most certainly did not have a discussion. For someone who blasts people for lying, you'd better watch yourself. The ONLY person I spoke to was Audino and it was that night. If Aud has a problem with me, I suggest he talk to me about it. But he'll tell you that what I'm saying is the truth. He told me you didn't hate me. Never at any point did you have any grand gesture discussion with me about anything. I don't owe you or your shell anything. I never committed to anything. Period.
 
Zyndara said:
We most certainly did not have a discussion. For someone who blasts people for lying, you'd better watch yourself. The ONLY person I spoke to was Audino and it was that night. If Aud has a problem with me, I suggest he talk to me about it. But he'll tell you that what I'm saying is the truth. He told me you didn't hate me. Never at any point did you have any grand gesture discussion with me about anything. I don't owe you or your shell anything. I never committed to anything. Period.
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I sent you a tell "Surprised you would like to join"
You replied back "Yes, surprised you would let me join"
Other small talk ensued.

Oh and, Fuck off Kotsu, the pm i sent you was in regards to Hollie, not you.
 
Also, ask any member if there's any reason not to trust me on anything.

The fuck do you know Kotsu? You're supporting fucking Hollie, who stole from our shell. Of COURSE I'm not going to like you.
 
jamal said:
I sent you a tell "Surprised you would like to join"
You replied back "Yes, surprised you would let me join"
Other small talk ensued.
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I'm pretty sure I would remember a conversation of that nature coming from you. Again, I'm done with anything to do with you Jamal. Take care of yourself. And kindly leave me the fuck alone. Best to you and your shell.
 
jamal said:
Also, ask any member if there's any reason not to trust me on anything.

The fuck do you know Kotsu? You're supporting fucking Hollie, who stole from our shell. Of COURSE I'm not going to like you.
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For someone who hates lies and deceit, you sure are a master of it. Quoted from a PM that was sent to me, Khidir and Pur.

Jamal said:
Kotsu, my problem is not with you at all. But if you continue to invite Hollie to ZNM, I will do everything in my power to ensure he is not there.
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I also have the PM from where you gave me shit and were pissed at me that I joined and then couldn't run with your LS, as well as the PM before that in which, I sent to both you and Audino, I apologized but RL and my personal business/work/income required me to focus on that instead of the game. You'll understand one day though man. This is a game kid. Best to treat it that way.

Additionally, I have more than sufficient evidence and reasons as to why you shouldn't be trusted at home. However, since I'm at work and only checking this periodically, I doubt it's worth my time to get into right now since my responses would not be very prompt, well thought out, etc.
 
That quote you quoted me on is exactly what I said here earlier chief. Hollie stole from us, I hate the fucking piece of shit.

Where is the lies and deception? You just repeated what I said earlier in this thread.

I don't like you because you defend Hollie. That's not a secret. Were you to drop the trash or actually help to get our item back, things would be different. That doesn't make me untrustworthy, just someone who holds a grudge.
 
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