I just wanted to say...

Nicolette said:
I guarantee i've seen it done. I GM'd them myself and checked to make sure their pfile has had the incident flagged. Why would they risk relic accounts for some trotters? IDK, I thought it was beyond retarded too.
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Considering they didn't poshack for any hnm i doubt they would do it for a lower tier one, not to mention the bot as stated in this thread didnt even have pos hack ability.
 
sorry but this is just grasping at straws
 
Keryan said:
This is why I do not do hnm. Why pay money for an item that you can not keep until the day you die in rl. Aura paid for a bot, that makes the WHOLE group rotten in my eyes. They knew and agreed to it. The new spin off of aura bots.....same smell different day. Absolution bots....their spin off bots.....Just one big botting family there. Does not bother you that SE has people who read these threads does it. So now they know who is botting, and someone who supplied it. Maybe in the next ban wave they will rid ffxi of you.

That bullshit of we need a bot to compete is retarded. Once they have all their "items" they sell their claims to people. If people did not buy the items they would have no reason to bot. Why not do a mass boycott of the shells who bot. Even if you need that BB item, just don't buy it from them. If there is no market what will they do with their bots? I know they will set it to claim JEJ, god knows what a hard HNM he is. <sarcasim>
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You assume people use real money in order to finance there bot. Most financed by selling gil to a person for the money then using that money for the bot. So only thing most shells waste is the time it took to get the gil. Which is gain 10 fold because of the claims they can get with the bot assuming bot don't suck.

There is no grass on the other side anymore every server and I do mean every has a shell the runs hnm camps because they have a bot most have 2 or 3 shells with different bots. If they telling you they don't there lying.

rampagesama said:
Botters can only have 1 bot?
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Pos hack would be foolish and sends up red flags no intelligent person would use one. At least not on there main account. Plus most bots are only have one function (to claim) not all are as multi-functional as ffxiap was.
 
hellstorm said:
There is no grass on the other side anymore every server and I do mean every has a shell the runs hnm camps because they have a bot most have 2 or 3 shells with different bots. If they telling you they don't there lying.
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And every one of those shells has a group of people who have decided that competing with cheaters isn't worth it, and they just do Ein for their gear. Top Ein shells can run Odin every two weeks, and given that he drops all of the huge-tier abjurations, it averages out to killing all 3 HQ kings, twice, in those two weeks (Given Odin's chances to drop multiple items.)

Wiki said:
* Loot pool follows the following formula:
* Kings abju (100%)
* Body abju, Odin or kings (100%)
* Odin abju (100%)
* Random abju (not 100%)
* Odin Item (Spear, Sword, Helm, Body) (not 100%)
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You guys do what you need to to compensate, the rest of us will earn our rewards and have it, you know, actually show a sign of competence. Kings can be lowmanned with much, much less than an alliance, the reason botshells have such huge numbers is because of all of the leechers who leap over to suckle from the teat of those capable of gearing them. You know, Hells?
 
Why dont you be pro and bot/do odin You can get the gear 2x faster then just doing Odin. and its not like your forced to bot ppl take the changes to help out other ppl get the gear you need.. HNMs are more like a family then anything else I dont see other ppl risking there accounts to help others advance in the game if thats not friendship idk what is!
 
Because standing 3 hours in 3 zone 3 times a day is very pro son.
Go back to taking some screenshots of WS sets from the guy from the competative shell that just claimed your Sandworm post it on BG and and claim he really full times the gear.

That said, ground kings these days are good for 3 things.
- Riddill, which is a completely useless piece on HNMs unless you are a dark knightand are zerging.
Even then, M-kriss beats it by at least a mile.
In merits a decently geared 2 hander beats most Riddill wars.

- Defending ring, pretty much the only real good Kings only drop these days but mainly used to beef up the price if one's character.

- Black belt items which can also be obtained from KS99's and if I am not mistaken many of you shells sell them to the highest bidder, most of the time for a lot less then you are asking on your homepages because they will be floored otherwise anyway.
Don't deny it.

And don't bring friendship up, a lot of people on QC know a lot more about friendship then you do.
Talking about friendship you might want to reconsider the type of shell you are in, your shell is not built out of friendship.
Sure there is a core group that probably is really close and you may be part of that group, I don't know and I don't give a shit.
But the majority of your linkshell is in there and attends events and camps for a single reason.
Gaining enough points to get their desired gear as fast as possible and they will backstab each other to be the first to get it.
 
Lyall said:
And every one of those shells has a group of people who have decided that competing with cheaters isn't worth it, and they just do Ein for their gear. Top Ein shells can run Odin every two weeks, and given that he drops all of the huge-tier abjurations, it averages out to killing all 3 HQ kings, twice, in those two weeks (Given Odin's chances to drop multiple items.)



You guys do what you need to to compensate, the rest of us will earn our rewards and have it, you know, actually show a sign of competence. Kings can be lowmanned with much, much less than an alliance, the reason botshells have such huge numbers is because of all of the leechers who leap over to suckle from the teat of those capable of gearing them. You know, Hells?
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That quote you posted was flawed btw or atleast misleading.
Wbody
Ahands
Pfeet

Is combination i've seen more then once and much more then ive seen e bodies from Einherjar. As you know most big shells actually do both and at end day we still come up with more. Plus I do hnms because I enjoy killing them, gear I obtain is just a bonus. Yes the hours of waiting for it to spawn is a drag but the enjoyment of killing make up for that. Might seem trivial because so easy to kill "refresh, haste, cure, slow, para, bio, repeat; but just something about seeing the nm materialize right in front of you seeing it flash red wanting to fight it even if it is only a simple "Suzaku". Watching a pair of byakko haidate, n feet, n body, n head or E. body, herald gaiters, even the algol off there respective mobs. Some items not so meaniful now yet people still seem to want. Yes there alot of drama then again your here checking a flame board of a game you say care nothing about. A flame board filled with drama stories that have happen again and again. So you must enjoy alittle drama yourself. You just deny yourself by saying you don't care that hnm don't matter because you can't fight them. Let it be because you don't have the time or patience to do which we both know you have neither. Or maybe it you enjoy being on outside looking in never wanted take that first step. You want deny yourself be my guess but if not going play the game really should not commentate on it, because you tend get your facts wrong. Like the freeloader bit. In some shells on this server there is. Vanquished that is not the case, you not a active member you get the boot. Just ask are ex members.


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hellstorm said:
That quote you posted was flawed btw or atleast misleading.
Wbody
Ahands
Pfeet

Is combination i've seen more then once and much more then ive seen e bodies from Einherjar. As you know most big shells actually do both and at end day we still come up with more. Plus I do hnms because I enjoy killing them, gear I obtain is just a bonus. Yes the hours of waiting for it to spawn is a drag but the enjoyment of killing make up for that. Might seem trivial because so easy to kill "refresh, haste, cure, slow, para, bio, repeat; but just something about seeing the nm materialize right in front of you seeing it flash red wanting to fight it even if it is only a simple "Suzaku". Watching a pair of byakko haidate, n feet, n body, n head or E. body, herald gaiters, even the algol off there respective mobs. Some items not so meaniful now yet people still seem to want. Yes there alot of drama then again your here checking a flame board of a game you say care nothing about. A flame board filled with drama stories that have happen again and again. So you must enjoy alittle drama yourself. You just deny yourself by saying you don't care that hnm don't matter because you can't fight them. Let it be because you don't have the time or patience to do which we both know you have neither. Or maybe it you enjoy being on outside looking in never wanted take that first step. You want deny yourself be my guess but if not going play the game really should not commentate on it, because you tend get your facts wrong. Like the freeloader bit. In some shells on this server there is. Vanquished that is not the case, you not a active member you get the boot. Just ask are ex members.


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Go look up the word "the" in a dictionary. It's very useful when constructing sentences, and is one of the first words you learn in your native, or another, language.
 
Was that the impersonal "you" or the personal "you, Lyall?" I'm curious, because my response varies depending on your intent.
 
Lyall said:
Top Ein shells can run Odin every two weeks, and given that he drops all of the huge-tier abjurations, it averages out to killing all 3 HQ kings, twice, in those two weeks (Given Odin's chances to drop multiple items.)
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As pointed out already, very mis-leading and very incorrect. Ever seen P.Hands, A.Hands and P.Body as an Odin pool? Please inform me as to how that represent 6 Kings?

Getting 6 Kings in a 2 week period you are at the very MINIMUM guaranteed 100% 2 King Bodies with a chance of up to 8 King Bodies. Please tell me how Odin can drop 8 Bodies in 1 pool? Lets not even mention the fact that you can get more the 2 HQ's in a 2 week period. Last month we had 3 Nid's in 6 days IIRC.

Shirai said:
That said, ground kings these days are good for 3 things.
- Riddill, which is a completely useless piece on HNMs unless you are a dark knightand are zerging.
Even then, M-kriss beats it by at least a mile.
In merits a decently geared 2 hander beats most Riddill wars.

- Defending ring, pretty much the only real good Kings only drop these days but mainly used to beef up the price if one's character.

- Black belt items which can also be obtained from KS99's and if I am not mistaken many of you shells sell them to the highest bidder, most of the time for a lot less then you are asking on your homepages because they will be floored otherwise anyway.
Don't deny it.
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I get what you're trying to say, but you're coming out wrong. Saying that Rid, D.Ring and BB items are the only 3 good things to come from ground kings is wrong. N.Legs, E.Body, A.Body, N.Head and so on although they can be obtained via other means, if you can do both and enjoy both then why not?

Also, we usually don't budge on our BB prices we listed, I've watched many many many BB items fall to the floor because people didn't want to pay our prices, sure we've let a couple slide for cheaper, most were to friends of LS members, but for the most part we're very strice with our pricing. Same goes with N.Heads and so on, we usually won't budge.

To those saying that standing in DA 3-hrs a day isn't their cup of tea, that's fine. To me I'm not bothered by it, if you think I sit there for 3 hrs staring at my PC screen you're dead wrong. While camping these HNM's it gives me the opportunity to do shit that needs to be done around the house weather it be cleaning, cooking or laundry, or it gives me the time to watch a movie or TV or play another game and still contribute to my LS.
 
So you play the video game by not playing it. Awesome.
 
Myrrh said:
So you play the video game by not playing it. Awesome.
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Well, yeah, turn up the volume and AFK while you wait for your bot to grab the monster. It isn't that hard.

My numbers might be misleading, and that wasn't my intention, honest. I'm just saying that, given the drops that can come from Ein (including double e.bodies), the time in is substantially less than the time put into HNM. To each their own, but it's hard to listen to someone brag about being a pro or top caliber when they're relying on coding to get them the opportunity to get the things that make a good player good. Botters have their way, non-botters have our own way, and the difference is a personal one. Is my gear the best? No, but it's all earned in, what I feel, is the right way. I can't say my experience is better, but I enjoy it a lot more than using a glorified Game Genie to "win."
 
I don't afk bot, I wouldn't risk my account like that. However, wether botting or not, why do you think you'd be required to sit at your computer the 29mins in between windows. Botting or not botting doesn't change the fact that you still have a free 29min between windows to do w/e you so desire. If I didn't camp HNM I'd prolly have quit this game ages ago from boredom of staring at my Moogle spinning around.
 
I've been at camps, and unless I have a new DS game to play or something, I'm usually bored to tears. I guess I'm not cut out for it. I'll give you the nod for camps being exciting as hell for the minute that the window is open, and seeing a huge godlike thing come into view /is/ cool to watch, but...

If I spend 90 minutes at a camp and either 1) don't get a decent drop or 2) don't get a claim, it's a largely wasted 90 minutes. Knowing that the "big" shells use bots, it isn't worth going out there to "show we've got spine" or whatever you want to refer to it as. (Universal, nonpersonal you, not You you).

I'd rather get exp or finish quests or stuff. Maybe when I'm finished with all of that I'll go want to camp kings for excitement, but I've got other things I'd rather do.
 
This shit might have just got real.
 
Hobobob said:
I get what you're trying to say, but you're coming out wrong. Saying that Rid, D.Ring and BB items are the only 3 good things to come from ground kings is wrong. N.Legs, E.Body, A.Body, N.Head and so on although they can be obtained via other means, if you can do both and enjoy both then why not?
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Point of perspective here really.
If every LS that does Einherjar also camped land kings full time, you wouldn't be saying this.

I don't play on Quetz anymore but as you can see I do follow the 'drama' on both this forum and BG.
Regardless, from my point of perspective on QC right now there are two serious players on the field regarding the ground kings.
Vanquished and Kazoku.
Both have their fair share of claims and kills indeed keeping up the stream of new gear coming in combining both the Kings and Einherjar.
Of course, doing both is faster then just doing Ein, or just doing kings.
In this situation.

I don't know how long you have been in the HNM business, but before Einherjar was released you would find not just 2 king linkshells in te King zones, but it would not be uncommon to enter a Dragon's Aery where over 200 players were standing in the pit waiting for Fafhogg to pop.
That my friend, considerably slows down both claimrate and incoming gear.
Of course the shells with more members using claimbots resulted in 2 or 3 linkshells getting more claims then others but you couldn't say that anyone had monopoly on the ground kings.
You can't really brag about claiming 2 kings a week in those situations, you'd be lucky if you claimed 3 kings a month.
And the lag... oh the lag!!
(Kings meaning the HQ pops)

Einherjar was therefore a very welcome addition to the game because even though at a slower rate drops the same abjurations as land kings.
You cannot look down upon a linkshell that leaves the kings for what they are and focus on Einherjar, because in a sense, for a lot of them this became a faster way to obtain abjuration gear.
It takes less time and there's also a lot less drama involved.

Also, we usually don't budge on our BB prices we listed, I've watched many many many BB items fall to the floor because people didn't want to pay our prices, sure we've let a couple slide for cheaper, most were to friends of LS members, but for the most part we're very strice with our pricing. Same goes with N.Heads and so on, we usually won't budge.
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Trust me, if someone wants to buy but is only 500k short and you happen to be fighting Aspid with nobody else inside the LS at that point wants or needs an egg and you will sell it for less, because at the same time when there's more then one person and they start bidding against each other you will sell it for 1 or 2 mil more then you actually ask for it.
It happens, and more then people think.

Not budging for Abjurations I can understand as there will always be somebody in the shell needing it and the droprate doesn't really justify giving a discount on those items.
 
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