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Prothall said:
When I said it felt like Christmas it was because it was the first time I was able to actually be a summoner in a party, not because whoo-hoo free exp.
Pasquale said:
And if you had bothered to read a few more words you would see that I didn't just sit and do nothing, I had to help heal.
And why can't both be in a party at the same time? Every job adds something different to a party.
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Pasquale said:
I did bother reading this part actually. And my point is proven.. your whm didnt do shit. So what now does SMN on its own add to the party thats so worth a member slot? Are you trying to argue that your BPs are useful enough to merit an entire party slot? Just because every job "adds something" doesn't mean its worth adding. Suppose you have a PLD tank. You invite a ninja because he can debuff the mob and do a little bit of damage. Hes adding something guys!
Prothall said:
Our whm didn't do shit because he sucked, not because we had a second healer. Our party leader shoulda dropped him and got someone who could do their job well.
And don't you get tired of being in the same parties all the time? Every day feels exactly the same. I don't mind a less than ideal party setup if it will makes things interesting. I was in a pt once with 3 MNKs, a RDM, a WHM, and a BLM. I'd never been in a party like that so i was nervous we didn't really have a tank, but that was some of the best exp I've ever gotten. Hell, the other day I was in a party with only three other people and we chained 4 every time.
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My WHM is 75 and so is my SMN. That means whatever I say now is past history.
If you wanna lvl fast you will have to main heal.
If you don't main heal, GL on lvl 75 next year.
My Summoning Skill is almost capped and I know SMNs don't wanna main heal because we like to show our power and that won't happen till lvl 60+ (70+ if you want people to be O.O). The problem will agravate if the SMN leveled WHM as his primary job...
I'm one of the VERY FEW people that like to Heal/Help and loves his WHM job. Almost RARE because I'm a man (I have seen the other % of Heal Loving WHMs/SMNs are Female).
When I make a PT and I include a SMN I don't initially say "You're Main Heal". Instead I say "Do your Bloodpacts, show this world what you are made off and don't let anyone die". They feel secure in what they do and do a better job because they don't have that feeling that they are doing something wrong.
But, when you join a PT you have to do the job you were recluted to do. No questions asked.
If you wanna lvl fast you will have to main heal.
If you don't main heal, GL on lvl 75 next year.
My Summoning Skill is almost capped and I know SMNs don't wanna main heal because we like to show our power and that won't happen till lvl 60+ (70+ if you want people to be O.O). The problem will agravate if the SMN leveled WHM as his primary job...
I'm one of the VERY FEW people that like to Heal/Help and loves his WHM job. Almost RARE because I'm a man (I have seen the other % of Heal Loving WHMs/SMNs are Female).
When I make a PT and I include a SMN I don't initially say "You're Main Heal". Instead I say "Do your Bloodpacts, show this world what you are made off and don't let anyone die". They feel secure in what they do and do a better job because they don't have that feeling that they are doing something wrong.
But, when you join a PT you have to do the job you were recluted to do. No questions asked.
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Playing smn in a pt is like playing rdm at 48+
If it increases my exp then i will do <insert w/e> for the pt
I know how leet i can be if i used all of my skills, if i showed it to other players they wouldn't understand.
If you know what your capable and are proud of it then what others say or expect you to do shouldn't degrade you.
Personally I feel better that i can solo em elementals at my lv unlike a mnk.
If it increases my exp then i will do <insert w/e> for the pt
I know how leet i can be if i used all of my skills, if i showed it to other players they wouldn't understand.
If you know what your capable and are proud of it then what others say or expect you to do shouldn't degrade you.
Personally I feel better that i can solo em elementals at my lv unlike a mnk.
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Negorissimo said:
I'd change this to-- if you want traditional parties and don't want to main heal, GL on lvl 75 next year. Because at the OP's level she(he?) could solo in the range very productively with a bit of trial and error. A beastmaster's route is not for everyone though, but for me was the best alternative.
However, what I do agree with is: If you accept a party that wants you to play a healer role than you should do so. Questioning it mid-way to camp solves nothing but a bad trip for everyone. Assuming that you have to conform to preset ideals is something that I don't recommend. However, expecting to change the opinions of the masses is not likely to work either.
Oh! Pre-Ni PLD and a Ninja tank can actually be very good EXP! Odd, but true.
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Pasquale said:
All I'm saying is that i dont think its fair to invite a smn as a DD so that the smn can go ahead and have fun with his job. If you really want to go have your kind of "fun" with it you should go solo or something. And if main healing WHILE using useful BPs isn't fun for you as smn, you want to DD instead- go be a blm.
Firestreak said:
yes yes, we know... Smns are main healers and anyone who sys otherwise is not omg1337.
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You know, I had this big long post all typed out and I was more or less done with it, and then my mouse screwed up and I hit backspace... and went "back" on the browser.
Summary: right now, Summoner is broken. Avatars are too weak and the blood pact timer is too long.
Strengthening avatars outright would make Summoner extremely broken for soloing.
My proposal: blood pacts should have a much shorter timer, something more along the lines of 30-40 seconds, and have a higher hate draw from activation. This way, Summoner's DPS could be increased to at least match the damage output of every current DD class, at the expense of possibly more hate drawn than currently, and more MP spent over a shorter time span. It'd be much better for SMN DD in a party setting than currently possible.
Then the limiting factor on SMN would be MP drain, not the limitations of the job itself.
Currently SMN simply fits best into a healing role. Anyone that says otherwise needs to play a different job... either that, or start fighting for RDM melee DD in parties too, because it's the same concept as a DD SMN.
Summary: right now, Summoner is broken. Avatars are too weak and the blood pact timer is too long.
Strengthening avatars outright would make Summoner extremely broken for soloing.
My proposal: blood pacts should have a much shorter timer, something more along the lines of 30-40 seconds, and have a higher hate draw from activation. This way, Summoner's DPS could be increased to at least match the damage output of every current DD class, at the expense of possibly more hate drawn than currently, and more MP spent over a shorter time span. It'd be much better for SMN DD in a party setting than currently possible.
Then the limiting factor on SMN would be MP drain, not the limitations of the job itself.
Currently SMN simply fits best into a healing role. Anyone that says otherwise needs to play a different job... either that, or start fighting for RDM melee DD in parties too, because it's the same concept as a DD SMN.
Blazeoffury said:
you noob lol i cant help it my single -aga burst was more than your lacking enmity lacking ninja could take
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Strid said:
Pure truth right here. I havent ready most of the other posts but I can tell you that its all up to you. I was invited to be a main healer and I told them no. They called me a noob, cancelled the invite and I went on with my life. Not 10 seconds later, I get an invite asking if I could play multi-purpose. I asked if they meant main healing, and they said no. I joined them and it went very smoothly.
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Trippyhippy said:
Smns who aren't main healing arent 1337 because they can't do two things at once. A good smn can use their bps effectively and main heal at the same time. Unless the party sucks, and you should then gtfo and seek some more.
Prothall said:
I can normally do both.
Unless some melee DD gets hate and does nothing about it, and neither does the tank. (happens quite alot)
stab, stab, stab, stab, stab "lol, I got hate!," stab, stab, stab, stab.
Mean while I am burning all 950mp on this one DD and end the battle with around 40mp. So I pull out dark staff and rest.
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"<Fishing> Lesser Colibri <annoying noise 12135>"
"Rats."
Stouter said:
I just suck it up.
XP is XP.
If it is a job you can do, do it.
If you are asked to DD, you waste 50 seconds between BPs as meleeing isn't practical for you or your avatar.
So either sub or main heal. It isn't that bad.
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Prothall said:
That is the biggest load of bullsh*t I have ever read. I take pride in keeping the hate off of a pld. Not only does it requite multiple spells and some major DD ethics but I promise you if you get a pld and a nin in a race for hate you will have one hell of a good time in a good party because both tanks will be at their best performance.
Neophytal said:
More like 2-3 aga's per fight... And you're the only blm to take hate from me.. not to mention you probably have every thing merited for blm that you can already from your smn,rdm,nin, and mnk that are already 75.
Now back on topic. SMN as main healer can work great, especially with a ninja tank.. having stoneskin does make the nin tank a little bit lazier then usual but either way it still works out good because the smn will rarely ever have to heal the ninja and the ninja's casting won't get interrupted.
Smn main heal with a Pld can be good if the Pld is good and has been keeping all of his/her stats capped.