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Retributor's a 312-delay axe, unfortunately. =/

I'd like to check it out as well, but it still feels like it wouldn't be worthwhile, at least to BSTs. Not sure though...maybe we should set up a run and try to get some?
 
Doh, memory fails me again.

You wanna get some with me? I guess that's ok, but I'm taping it this time.
 
With your speed? Just use a camera, save some money~
 
Cameras can't capture the screams of agony as I try to escape your tentacle's grasp.
 
baghnahks aren't considered that much because destroyers are alot better and pretty easy to get too.

a long time ago I thought the same thing and bought a pair in hopes they would go up to like 3 mil like a maneater did but it never happened.
 
Id be willing to sacrifice an orb or so to test it as well.
 
CmdrFly said:
Yup. If you can't equip the trial weapon, you can't get the WS by any means.


I've been very, very, very curious as to how good Retributor is. Been trying to get one for ages but Aries is a straight-up penis... lost 5 or 6 orbs in total to him. Gonna have to resort to Copycat soon.

Unlocked Retributor would be one of the few cases where it would make sense to mainhand the weapon with lower base dmg. If anything, it will shine in Rampage spikes.

I believe Retributor is 276 delay vs. Woody/Meater's 288 by the way, so it's just mildly faster.
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Kiiro was really interested in that axe as well, us crazy Drk/Nins I tells ya.

I unlocked that axe on DRK after getting it from Copycat. I never noticed a Rampage better than Maneater Rampages. Added with the ridiculous delay and low base damage, it was swapped out for Woody/Maneater which I noticed higher damage Rampages immediatly.

Even when Rampage with Retributer would crit, I still out damaged that setup later on with Woody/Maneater. 1200 Rampage (crit) on an exp mob, from a DRK is pretty smashin'. Those numbers just didn't get pumped out from Retributer combo. (She's a maneater ...)

The overall boost in atk and acc from the maneater is better than the overall +6% for Rampage to crit. The atk and acc -always- works during WS while the criticals will only happen 6% of the time.

I'd say it's way better to just hope Rampage crits without the Retributer. I would only use it again if it made both weapons crit.
 
Dowzer said:
The overall boost in atk and acc from the maneater is better than the overall +6% for Rampage to crit. The atk and acc -always- works during WS while the criticals will only happen 6% of the time.

I'd say it's way better to just hope Rampage crits without the Retributer. I would only use it again if it made both weapons crit.
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If I ever get the damn thing, I'm dropping Woody for Retributor. Side-by-side, Meater > Woody - just a question of whether or not it's 6% crit is worth -4 str -4 dmg and +30odd dly.

Did you ever test Retributor/Meater? Sounds like you mainly went Woody/Retributor or vice versa.
 
I went Retributer/M.eater because I didn't get a Woodville's Axe till I sold my Bloodsword. Reason being, I'm 99% certain that the +6% only affects the hand it's equipped to.

Basically, my pursuit was due to the 6% bonus as well. I expected to see 1k+ Rampages without Souleater a lot more often, but I was totally let down.

The crit rate with Woody/M.eater was definently less than Retributer/M.eater. The crit damage and overall damage was noticeably higher with Woody/M.eater.
 
Bajaratt said:
This is correct. Since the 6% crit applies to both fists, destroyers are noticeably more powerful than the waghs, and really more powerful than any of the other +6% crit weapons. The difference in the delays is 1/5 of a second, so destroyers are slightly faster, but the biggest difference is the additional damage from the increased number of criticals you will get.
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sound like good reason to me.
 
Legomyeggo said:
Probably because they both don't have Critical Hit%+. Wagh Baghnahk suck compared to Destroyers. It has more delay and no critical hit%+. And the Ryumon or whatever it is, is just a Senjuinrikio with out the critical hit%+, which is why most people use Senj anyway. Note how both the Rampager and Heart Snatcher lack in comparison to the Maneater and Blau Dolch.
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I can see the point about destroyers over wagh because the diffence in delay and crit hit on both hands and that it atk much lower when above 100tp, but ryumon would be a 1.25% flat rate rise in atk while shadows are on, would that not over time do more dmg then the 6% crit?
 
hellstorm said:
I can see the point about destroyers over wagh because the diffence in delay and crit hit on both hands and that it atk much lower when above 100tp, but ryumon would be a 1.25% flat rate rise in atk while shadows are on, would that not over time do more dmg then the 6% crit?
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Not really, you're looking at most +8 attack(assuming ~650 attack) based on that percentage. It's not bad, but the +6% crits would have a much more noticeable effect.
 
hellstorm said:
Another weapon which does not get much look at is the Ryumon
this katana is a 38dmg 227delay with 1.25% atk bonus (3.8% in besieged) when shadows are up.
Now I've heard the reason this one not notice is because most ninja have a str setup so there atk not all that good to notice a big difference from the atk bonus. Is that the only reason?
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Ryumon from what I have read seems extremely hard to get, and I cant find the respawn on the NM anywhere.

But, this is a katana i want to use end game on my nin.

To me it looks amazing.
Main hand Senj Offhand Ryumon.
 
Flik said:
Ryumon from what I have read seems extremely hard to get, and I cant find the respawn on the NM anywhere.

But, this is a katana i want to use end game on my nin.

To me it looks amazing.
Main hand Senj Offhand Ryumon.
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cause alla and somepage are gimp. It spawns in Mamook. I'm planning on getting a fight together. When he casts Ni, 4 copies of him spawn next to him and you have to nuke him down. He is level 83, so a few BLMs for the shadows, some DD and healing should take it down. Not sure on how much HP he has, but I'd like to mijin him and check it out lol
 
Thought most (all?) NMs that appear in Besieged appear in their respective places if defeating during?
 
meeze said:
cause alla and somepage are gimp. It spawns in Mamook. I'm planning on getting a fight together. When he casts Ni, 4 copies of him spawn next to him and you have to nuke him down. He is level 83, so a few BLMs for the shadows, some DD and healing should take it down. Not sure on how much HP he has, but I'd like to mijin him and check it out lol
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If youve got space i could bring my bard out there, id really like one for my nin, id want some experience with him.
 
Flik said:
If youve got space i could bring my bard out there, id really like one for my nin, id want some experience with him.
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Sure, It probably wont be a for a week or two, I'm going all out on CoP atm.
 
Mishaela said:
Thought most (all?) NMs that appear in Besieged appear in their respective places if defeating during?
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Hundredfaced doesn't go to Besieged anyway.

Edit: Meeze, let me know when you'd like to go after him. I'd like to get Beast Bazubands off Bugaal Ja, if he's up as well.
 
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