This thread is made of win.
I've been sleepingxRiokox said:lol wow many hypocrites {Found it!} Some of them hiding now?
Where is Uzor btw >.>
And umm.. Chasym, I have to admit,.. thanks for the links lol
Just... wow.
And yeah Meeze, mmm didn't think that about Uzor, you know. Now all the truth has been revealed![]()
Chasym said:Did Outerheaven cheat?
YES OF COURSE OUTERHEAVEN USED HACKS.
I was their supplier for gods sake. Every hack they had came from me, except that one proph paid 100 dollars for and it worked like shit. But thats besides the point. im not going to go around and name individual members that hacked, but a majority of that shell hacked after i joined. in the beginning the shell created after OH hacked some too, but eventually all that was halted and a strict rule put on hacking in the shell.
everyone in OH that got banned, was banned for hacking and nothin else. no matter what they say.
your assumptions were true, and to those who didnt know where they standed on the OH matter, theres all you need to know from a high ranked OH member and the supplier of their hacking.
Those who got caught just used them stupidly, and deserved what they got. i voke botted, only when i was with OH.
Did they hack in dynamis, probly. i wasnt there the night in question, but most convos with members after the fact were about how much hacking WAS done that night.
Man pere, you pissed alot of people in OH off with that, i remember lol. fun times.
Firestreak said:You realize how fucking stupid you sound?
Firestreak said:Really is a shame that it turns out we have the master hacker of FF on Quetzelcoatl and we're so far behind other servers still. I'd rather that people were more open about their hacking and a lot of our shells be done with 3 kings than all cloak-and-dagger and stuck in this lameness.
Uzor said:'ve been sleepingAnd if you check in that forum, yes. I had access to it. You'd also see the only thread I posted in was the "GM's can see if you use Windower?" forum
And that was before i tbecame password protected. Before that you needed special access on it. I knew a lot about hacks since Chasym told me what they were working on in their little group. ask Chasym, he can tell you I never signed up on any of the hack download forums
Only time I ever "hacked" was when I wanted to solo Bugboy ENM. I asked Proph to log on me and get me past that damn bridge since I couldn't find 4 people to get me past it =/ Sadly I had forgotten my AF's that time and died due to not having over half of my gear, lol
Edit: on another note, I did ask for the bots they used to know what they are using. But I never used them myself. I also asked Proph to not use speed hack when he's logged in to me because I don't like cheating myself (except the other time when I was desperate and wanted past that god damn bridge -.-).
Firestreak said:I think that people who get all hot and bothered over people using 3rd party programs in ways that don't effect others negatively need to re-examine their priorities in life. It's almost like criticising me for cheating on Grand Theft Auto cause I love to run around murdering people and don't like collecting guns on my own. Just how I see it.
Firestreak said:Courtney said:So.... your friends are still hacking to get you nice gear?
...cool
That's a fairly ignorant assumption considering my situation that you're apparently completely unaware of.
Firestreak said:Cheating is cheating, bub. Don't argue semantics, argue that there are different kinds of cheats.
I think people aren't hypocrite(although many are) as much as people are just plain silenced. We all know so many tolerate it yet I'm the only one actually willing to explain why I just plainly don't give a shit.
Firestreak said:Oh tell me oh knowledgable one, how I personally benefited from hacking.
Firestreak said:So you can believe whatever the hell you want, but I've never benefited from any hacks personally and to be honest they've caused me quite a bit of personal distress.
Firestreak said:You'll have do define "widespread" and remember I was in OH since back when we killed out first Fafnir a long time ago. If nothing else it was used towards the end when the LS was in a state of slow death. The fact that people used 3rd parties was because if nothing else we had too few(example: Kirin with 17 people). In my mind OH died 6 months before it really died, when Prophecy disappeared - me and all the older members stuck around cause the newer members were going to get fucked out of gear they had worked hard for. Honestly, if I don't really give a shit about 3rd party on any level except that I won't use them because I don't want the general community to blackball me for it, then to bail out on a LS that's dying and members who just barely have enough people to kill kirin to try and finish off the sky lists unsuccessfully is pretty scummy.
So like I said, if you want to define "wide spread" I'll have to question the greater view in that the time you are trying to focus on contained maybe 5% of our actual events and of that anything illegal was used I'd wager 20-30% of the time.
Should I have refused to continue going and just quit? Some seem to think so. Given the same circumstances, I would not change anything. They were my LS so I stuck to the end, and that's not something I'm ashamed of, that's who I am, period. Maybe one day the chips will be down and you'll be faced with hard decisions yourself, maybe not. It's however important to stay true to yourself not to what others tell you to do.
Uzor said:It wasn't the linkshell using cheats at all events, or even many members like you make it sound, It was a select few, using cheats at a FEW events. Mainly the ones we had too few people to actualli kill. As Firestreak said, Kirin with 17 people. The other gods not involved, as we didn't kite those either way.
Firestreak said:But that's just me, someone who prefers inconvieniance to cheating.
Chasym said:actually, Being from OH. ive heard nothing like this in our shell....ever.
Uzor said:Pretty widespread"? Mind quoting exactly who said that? Because its nowhere near widespread.
Tyrath said:I've heard from friends within OH that nowadays "they cant kill a mandy without hacking." Obviously thats an exaggeration, but it sounds pretty widespread to me.
Uzor said:Do you honestly think that Kaizen is the only LS who can kite something without cheats? We do it all the time. We don't cheat during everything we do. We might have cheated doing some things when we seriously lack the people to do it, but I didn't keep my eyes open for that since I'm usually too busy doing other things.
aerdrie said:quote from Uzor's thread:
"So in the end, it doesn't matter if they cheat or not, they are and will be my friends, and thus I don't really care if they cheat or not, even though I don't agree with it. I won't leave my friends behind because some of them want to depend on "shady tactics". "
grayswander said:-It seems to me then, the next step is to farm an Apollyon Northwest as usual, but have either Cyronae, Chasym, or myself attempt to locate an Omega (If it is up) In Apollyon Central meanwhile, half way through the run. That way we can both research this in private, and also not waste a run waiting to see if we can drag Omega to the camp or not, being obviously, we'd need the entire Limbus time to successfully defeat it. We can declare needing to go AFK or something for the sake of being incognito. If we can get Omega to the camp, great, Next run we can attempt to kill it, if not, we'll still have had a fruitful Apollyon Northwest run.
cyronae said:Chasym said it requires additional and I don't have enough savvy to make POS do everything I want. I would rather see if others tried it rather than having one of us try. Just feels safer that way.
grayswander said:Do you really think a GM would ever monitor a Limbus zone like that? I find it unlikely, but it's your call. If it's out there, I'm sure Chasym and I would find it.
cyronae said:Well...if worse comes to worse; Kaizen will go fight Proto-Omega and we can steal it...LOL.
grayswander said:While were at it, I may as well train Ultima and a bunch of NM baddies onto Kaizen, while our group kills their Omega privately^^ If theyre all dead they won't be able to make a GM call in time! what do you think?
chasym said:when i come back, if i find out it was due to hacks. BESIDES windower, im done hacking guys. Cold turkey.
I got a girl i love and im gettin married to in this game that i cant let down like that.
If it wasnt for her i wouldnt give a shit.
Im done hacking at least until the wedding.
then its gonna rain shit. you hear me SHIT!!!
Odon said:I know who gave OH the hacks, LOL.
Darienn said:the flee tool fix doesnt seem to work for me is there a new fix out?
Blackmagik said:man this is 100% win, and damn, id love to hack and get dalmatica and all that shit ill never get, but, im to damn stupid to and dont wanna lose my char, so legit4tw :grin:
the thing is in ROOM FULL of botters, only one can win. i know, ive used a bot many times and have been out claimed the instant it spawns like mad.Courtney said:Just spamming the enter key, I cast on Fafnir fairly consistently when he pops in the same area. Casting too early or too late are both common. I don't hack to do it.
Before the update that added the delay in claiming, Kaizen had I think a grand total of 2 claims over several months of trying. If our players were using hacks, they sure weren't working. After the update, and up to know we seem to get about the same percentage of claims as our percentage of the total people there, so I believe the update fixed the advantage of latency/bots.
A really wide range of our players have claimed Fafnir since then. I don't believe that all of these people are using hacks to do so. In two years with Kaizen I've never seen any evidence of hacking or cheating of any kind (apart from basic Windower, if you're going to count that). If it is happening, it isn't general knowledge in the shell, and the leaders of the shell have very strong views against hacking/stealing/cheating of any kind.
Again, if I haven't stated it before, these are my personal views. I don't (and never have) spoken for the shell...
Trippyhippy said:Wow. So not only are you outing people left and right, you are telling us how you actually write these fucking programs and distribute them.
I don't Understand why everyone in this thread is sucking your dick over it though. You are one of the assholes that keeps this game from being fun for those of us that actually play fair. Thanks for helping to fuck up a game that I really enjoy. Too bad your not good enough to actually do anything in end game that you did. Cheater.
All these people saying "at least you admit it", or "thanks for outting a bunch of cheaters"...
Naw. At least you quit. At least I don't ever have to look at your sorry ass in game anymore.
All hail Chasym, the reason SE changed Archer's Rings to BCNM only drop.
my best friend IRL said that too, which is another reason why just dropping name after name would be kinda pointless.Rappa said:Wow, this thread is comedy gold! And if Jamal hacks then his hacks totally blow cause he's never claimed anything for us and definitely hasn't speedhacked anything we've kited, rofl. Of course I'm assuming this was all before I knew him but I still have my doubts. The funny thing about this thread now is basically Chasym has became a witch-cryer, and now he could say anyone in the world hacks and you guys would believe him. Oh well, hopefully he'll be honest.
thats fine, i dont keep a list of IP adresses layin around for months let alone years, hell why would i even make a list. Once you see it, you remember who it was. there will never be a list of IPs, sorryCelvantes said:I'll believe it fully when I see IP addresses.
i may be a POS but id bite my tongue sneaky, you werent exactly innocent either. remember most people who would get pissed had their hands in the pot too.Sneakypants said:100% agree.
No surprises here, except maybe the sheer extent of which he went to hack the game. But hey, if anyone is capable of being this dickless, it's Chasym. Don't forget this is thread of the year. And don't forget his cool website, Chasym.org. lmfao
He's always been a piece of shit.
Take a good look at a piece of shit next time you see one. You won't expect it to change its ways or anything. It's shit! You'll just expect it to be a piece of shit, forever.
What a fucking jackass.
yeah accusing me of hacking makes it cool, i could GTFO saying you hacked but i would be lying and this thread is about coming clean.jamal said:FYI...first kill of a KB for me at all was in Kaizen or after was Last week. I never fought KB while in kaizen...Don't fuckin tell me I cheat. I called you out for cheating, and shit, you finally now admit it. Go sit on your thumb and twist with good ole cyroflee and grayhacker, but gtfo saying I hacked. This is as lame as when firestreak accused me masa and alm of hacking....
with oh i went maybe 25-30 times, a couple with Rise and thats about itCrosis said:QFT lol
Actually the funny thing is, I don't think I've seen Chasym at Fafnir or Aspid more then a combined ten times. And I'm there way too damn much.
Maybe lolBehemoth?
lol what am i jealous of, you?, kaizen? certainly not and as i said before, i didnt use hacks for personal gain, and the method hacks run...as you would know, Wouldnt really be able to make you the best at anything.jamal said:Which Kaizen camped a maximum of 3-4 times my entire stay there...Chasym, you're a shithead, your hax couldn't get you to be the best, and your jealousy still goes on even after you say you quit. Grow the fuck up.
jamal said:No he wasn't cool. Read the first post in this thread. The guys an ass, exploiting cheats.
but he has a right to defend himself as i did on any occasion i was accused. i would deny it up and down too, i didnt want anyone to know or think of me different,Ugotjacked said:Im not a psycologist but Jamal the way your talking is kinda a "tell" on what the truth really is.
if i wanted to throw out "lies" id have implemented plenty more names eh? the names people keep begging for but as you can see what a result of any name would bring.im not manipulating anything, ive stated all truths so far. i have nothin left to hide to this server anymore. but do you jamal, have something to hide? like i said, its just a game. its not your freakin life. get over it. "chasym was a low life IN THE GAME, he wasnt worth nothing IN THE GAME, he hacked so hes not even worth your breath!!"jamal said:He's throwing out lies and being treated like a god after admitting to cheating. People need to wake the fuck up and realize just like his 4 years of gameplay, this post is not worth a dime because he's manipulating people's thoughts just like he manipulated the game. Chasym's a douche, plain and simple, and I for one am glad he's gone.
that was the only time i had words with you, was at that dynamis. we talked about your hacking my first week in OH when we tested you out in the dominion with sinhard. thats around the time one of the big OH threads was going on and everyone was all pissy about anyone naming you guys out to hack. this doesnt stem from your accusations to my dynamis shell. but it certainly made it a good reason to implement you again.jamal said:#1 Because I called him and fellow LSmembers out in front of all the members of the LS before they entered dynamis-windy...
#2 He knows you will believe without proof.
#3 QCDN knows Drama, he knows I have a short fuse. Calling me out = Drama, which is obviously why he started this thread.
Rappa said:Revenge? Boredom? Why'd he link to the OH hacker forum? I have no idea what his motives are, but now that he's called out a few he pretty much has the ability to do whatever he wants and his word's gospel to most of the people who post here. He wouldn't even need proof anymore now that he's proven the OH hacks (of course, everyone already knew about these people anyway so kinda too little too late). He could just say "Yeah, so and so hacked. Don't have my logs anymore, but you know I'm being serious."
nice point in #1, i HATE peregrine, more so when he was accusing OH than anything. I literally wanted (along with prohecy and many other people) wanted to fly out to his house and beat the shit out of him, Yes as stupid as that sounds...it was discussed. But you know what, he didnt play hypocrit. the guy played clean and im not gonna lie and say he hacked.Lavi said:1# It seems a lot of people called him out as a cheater prior to today and not all are guilty of hacking. Chasym didn't claim all those people who called him out as hackers, just you.
Trippyhippy said:Perhaps this is why we are so far behind other servers. Cheating is as detrimental to everyone else as it is beneficial for the one that does it.
ROFL!!!!Bigboy said:And having Cyronea who you defended so earnestly create half the threads in that H4x Forum made mine. =D
your right, i never checked you or had a reason to, never suspected you and cant say you cheated.Sirelrohir said:Hey she defended me for a reason. Its because i never hacked! Thats right boys and girls; I guarantee you that chasym does not have my IP address. He apparantly has jamal's though. So yes, this made my day. And if it made your day too bigboy, thats cool. Im glad your happy.
OMG DUDE!!! i remember when that was posted wanting SOOO badly to ask who?! i just wanted to see if he knew soooo bad lmao!!Odon said:I know who gave OH the hacks, LOL.
The reason i said if it was anything but windower i was done, was because at that point in time...i very rarley used anything if at all, because i didnt do anything anyway. I exp'd smn and hung out with some friends, didnt camp anything or do events besides dynamis. and i had someone begging me to stop all hacks so i wouldnt get banned, so i did even tho i didnt wanna. and i swore that the day she quit i would hack like mad again...but when she quit i didnt care about hacks anymore lol.neophytal said:*****
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this is just pure LOL. =x
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to whoever asked if darienn hacked
reference:
http://outerheavenls.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=219&sid=80bbd2daf0e11f1283ad9c38daa8437e
if i saw you hack uzor, i admit it was rare. tho you did ask often about hacks, where to get them, what they do and that you would only get them from me because you didnt trust hack sites.Uzor said:Well, Chasym would know best. Personally I only knew of 3-4 people who hacked other then Proph and Chasym. Our linkshell had about... 32 members? So no, based on that, I wouldn't say 5-6 widespread. But Chasym was the ones who provided them with hacks, so he would know best, no?
And like I said when you quoted me, no. I don't actively look for people who hacked in the linkshell. Those that I know was those that openly talked about it. I'm usually busy refreshing and curing etc. And like I also said, we didn't cheat on anything we did. And lately they haven't been using cheats much at all, atleast at the few events I attend.
Chasym knew who cheated in the other linkshells. I know people in other linkshells hack too. I want to know what people use, so I wanted to know what the hacks could do. I also wanted to know how the hack development was going, and Chasym often talked about that. If you bothered reading the forum you'd see the only thread I posted in was about Windower, since that's what I use. And I do believe the majority of the PC players use it.
As for Darienn, I can tell you right now that she don't hack to the extent you make her out to do. She more often then not plays without Windower on. Hell, she even DC's when you send her messages on AIM when she forget to turn that off due to not having Windower active.
Yeah, I don't want to lose my character either xD That's one of the reasons I don't hack myself
I refuse to give up Windower though. So the day Windower goes is maybe the day I quit.
Uzor said:Anyway, fast forwarding. Eventually Darienn used it too. I was quite sad to see her use this. And I do believe I know the reason for why she did it.
No offense to Darienn, but she's probably one of the nicest people on the server. She have a hard time saying what's on her mind, and have a hard time saying no. I'm sorry to say, but she's rather easy to manipulate. She refuses to use Windower most of the time, but at some points when Grays and Proph wasn't on, someone who will not be named asked her to use flee hack. Having a hard tiem saying no, and trying to always avoid conflicts as good as she can, just don't see a reason to say no. Yes, she did use flee hack at some point, I have no idea how many since I was usually not logged on to vent unless I was specifically asked to logon vent. But I do know she tries to avoid conflict since I've talked to her in tells and on AIM about it.
So before you jump down her throat about it, do realize that she never do most things because she want to. She's just too nice. (no offence Darienn).
Well, can you mention any time I hacked? Yes, I did often ask about hacks. I was interrested in what hacks was out there and what you were able to do about it. And I didn't trust hack sites because I don't like downloadign third-party software in case it contains keyloggers etc. So I asked you for them sicne you had all the safe ones.if i saw you hack uzor, i admit it was rare. tho you did ask often about hacks, where to get them, what they do and that you would only get them from me because you didnt trust hack sites.
ALOT of people in OH hacked, Proph, Silversurfer, hihoshi, Quitita, Darienn, Cyronae, Algarius(was most obvious hacker i ever seen), Glade, Kireek, Uzor(like i said, limited at best but still did), myself, Deathchild and really its just a list of almost every member you could think of in OH, not EVERY member did but a big majority.
The most things in common is most of them got banned for it, Kireek, Silver, Alg, glade.
Algarius used to warp to a far of spot of a zone, Claim an NM thats usually in aggro range of alot of mobs or was in a tough position to fight, and warp back to us...waiting in a safe spot and have us fight it there.
When we did swift belts, we fought the NMs in the painting room used for the CoP cutscene, and the mobs would take off running out of nowhere, through the walls and run around the entire zone and come back either through the ceiling, or another wall.
why? because mobs are not meant to be in those rooms by game code and design, the whole time the mob was in the room the game was telling it "your not supposed to be here" and push it out.
it was humorus to see a Taru fomor hot tail it when its getting pwnd lol.
alg did that sort of thing all the time, thats why he got caught so easy.
what i never understood is how SE let proph get away with murder, they would catch him and let him go...ALL THE TIME. he even hacked out of GM jail when he got caught flee tooling in diarama ghelsba or whatever, he kept warping out and passing out all his items to everyone in OH just incase he got banned so he could come back to his items and make a new character.
He ran from jail 3 or 4 times and they still let him go.
thats sad. __________________
well reynard wasnt in OH, he was in NT. and devi and mirewen i think didnt come in till antares, maybe devi was in OH for awhile before that, left and came back, i cant remember much if he was.Cua said:Theres only like half a dozen people on there. The only ones from QCDN i recognize are : Reynard, Grayswander, DevilFoxx, Quitita, and Mirewen
Uzor said:Well, can you mention any time I hacked? Yes, I did often ask about hacks. I was interrested in what hacks was out there and what you were able to do about it. And I didn't trust hack sites because I don't like downloadign third-party software in case it contains keyloggers etc. So I asked you for them sicne you had all the safe ones.
But I do ask you, did you, or anyone else, see me hack, ever?'cause the only time I personally "hacked" was when I asked Proph to warp me bast the bridge to get to the bugboy ENM. If I ever flee hacked past that point, it was Proph playing me for events (even though I specifically asked him not to use any hacks while palying me, but what can you do?)
and LOL, yeah... I was quite surprised to see Proph constantly warp out of jail etc. and never even get so much as a suspension, lol.
Chasym said:seen ya couple times in sky, pos into kirin, flee past me a couple times. but i never knew proph played you either, like i didnt know a few people playing now are old members once banned on other accounts.
already said not every single member was a hacker, just a majority.Cua said:Well that's good, but does that mean they were all hackers? Including that "Lego" guy?
yeah i remember asking why he did that...when he had a warp cudgel on him AND a warp scroll...he really screwed himself over there lol.Uzor said:Well, Glade did it stupidly. He accidentall hacked his way in to a BCNM area and couldn't find the coordinates to get out of it. So he called a GM on himself xD