I quit. (post of the year)

Claudhert said:
that new windower that you spoke about looks like it could be really bad for FFXI

granted it did make me look into the a bit more. the MM4X forum had a guy poping NPCs and had the GM glow and all kinds of stuff ><

is there a site that has more about it?
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well the creator of it is at that site, and thats probly the only place info will be.

i know you need a membership to see it...i think anyway. but heres a features list and FAQ he posted.

Last updated: 08.12.06

Features (Planed and Implemented)
General:
-Simple Windower build in (also useable with archbell windower)
-Claimbot
-Ingame GUI through DirectX
-Network support (packetsniffer/injector)
-Plugininterface (C/C++, C# [managed wrapper by Atti])
-Powerfull scripting language build in: Python
-POS functionality

DirectX:
-Remove all NPCs/PCs
-Remove all doors/walk through walls and doors
-Remove terrain/change rendermode (and act through walls)
-NoFog (looks like drawdistance, with almost no performence lost)
-DrawDistance (as the well know archbell windower plugin)


Plugininterface:
-Direct access to DX
-Easy to use wrapperclass for displaying images and text inside FFXI
-Easy to use wrapperclass to access the decrpyted FFXI network datastream (and use custom filters)
-Memloc library for an easy plugin development

Misc:
-Supports G15 Keyboard display
-Complete Ingame navigation, no external window/tools needed

Plugins:
-On Screen map with posfunction
-Display Chat on G15 Display

If you have some suggestions please create a new topic!



FAQ
Q: Will Schmerz be available free public?
A: No

Q: Will there be a 'lite' version?
A: Yes, there will be free lite version

Q: What features will be missing in the lite version?
A: Claimbot, Packetsniffer/injector, less powerfull plugininterface. But not completly decided, yet

Q: Is there a way to get the full version?
A: Maybe, but don't ask me about that

Q: Do you give a shit about complaining ppl?
A: No

Q: Where can I post suggestions?
A: here
 
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Sup?
 
Whats the tihing that lets you pull items out of thin Air? or put shit in truesure Chest

casue if anything thats gonna fuck FFXI up bad
 
Claudhert said:
Whats the tihing that lets you pull items out of thin Air? or put shit in truesure Chest

casue if anything thats gonna fuck FFXI up bad
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-Network support (packetsniffer/injector)
-Easy to use wrapperclass to access the decrpyted FFXI network datastream (and use custom filters)
 
Zalbag said:
Even if you speed hacked and warped around it was still for personal gain. You didn't want to walk around like everyone else so you cheated to save time. I also fail to see how botting at HNM's was not for personal gain. You getting claim would either get you some gil from drops or possible lotting of different r/e items.

You know I can see how hacking can intrest you and all but you should really save it for offline games. Games that will in no way shape of form effect anyone but yourself. Hacking is cheating, bottom-line. SE designed the game in a certain way for a reason.

By hacking you going against the "laws of nature." Or more accuratly the laws of Final Fantasy XI. These games have certain laws for a reason. Much like real life the government makes laws. To keep people safe. Yes, to keep them safe. Not happy. Hacking may make you happy but they violate other people in the game. It doesnt matter what hack you use. I don't know about the rest of the people in the game but I hate running around to get to camps, I also hate camping for 3+ hours and being outclaimed.

By botting you Violate every other person who is camping with you. Who stood in rolan fields summoning for hours to cap that magic. Who actually finsihed for months on end to get 100 fishing, lu shangs, ect. By speed hacking and warping around you violate everyone who runs to their camps.

From what many have said you seem like a nice guy. And in life I'm sure you are. But you no more than the criminal in FF. Yeah I know someones going say blah blah blah ulli stones. Get over it it's been debated to death.



First off, buying of an ulli stone was never an issue. Some said it was lazy and it probably is, but the only real problem was that the bulk of the stones in circulation was from rmt. And the only real issue with buying items if because rmt use hacks. Now the way you worded this it sounds like its worse to buy items from hackers then it is to actually hack. I guess everyone will have to stop buying from bazaars with people who have ties with OH. Because now they're just as bad as rmt. It seems camping with OH is no better then camping with rmt. And by xping with them you are aiding the problem. You would be supporting hackers.



Here you go again bringing up the ulli stones. Scapegoat much? If you've read the OH threads at all they specificaly talk about using hacks in limbus. If they did or not I can't say but from the evidance it wouldn't surprise me.

As for our ls botting we have strict rules against it. It is never talked about in the open on our ls site and to my knowledge no one does. If someone was found out to be using hacks they'd most likely be removed from the shell. But I still have yet to see a thread accusing anyone in our shell of hacking and having some form of proof.

I honestly don't know where everyone is getting the statistic 95% of the player database use hacks but that seems pretty inaccurate. I maybe a little nieve, to tell the truth I didn't know what POS was till this thread but I'd like to believe there are more people out there with higher morals then that.
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Yes, i bring up the uli stones b/c in my opinion, buying from rmt is worse then hacking. You are paying people to cheat for you. That means if they get caught they will be banned, while your ls gets a constant supply of uli stones with no risk to you.

Second, and again, i dont know how many times I have to repeat this, but I have never been in OH. That website that chasym posted was not a public website. Its my understanding that not everyone in that ls had access to it. So when they were talking about hacks, then not many people knew about it. Maybe chasym or an oh member can talk more about that. But i havent seen that website before he posted it.

Hey, I have an idea. Chasym, it seems that all these kaizen members are concerned that there might be hackers in their ls. Why dont you help them out and let us know if there are any, and who they are? You already told them about one of their ex-members, which im sure they appreciate, but I think they would appreciate it much more if you told them.
 
thin about it this way.. if this new windower is released.. Ulli becomes meaningless..


you could just create your own Autumn Stone, useing the wrapperclass thing

hell you could creat so much shit it would break the game.

joyeuse, Abjs, Autumnstones, B hides Angel Skins, -1 and +1 God gear, 10000 byne bills, everything in the game would become worthless >.<
 
Uzor said:
it's simple. Neophytal made a stupid analogy that flee hacking in FFXI = RL bank robbery. Someone protected him sying that all crimes are the same. Sicne bank robbery is much worse then flee hacking in more then 1 way, and since apparently, they SHOULD count as the same because both have similar but yet very large differences, one can only draw one conclusion from his responce...

all shop lifters should get put on the death row because shop liftig is a crime like murder. And if someone MPK you in-game, its your right to play tooth for a tooth, eye for an eye and murder them irl.
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you're so witty with your 15 page late post.

i made an analogy that the concepts were the same, not that they were equal.

lUzor time!!
 
Later Chasym. Your thread got so big it was event sent to me. :P
 
neophytal said:
you're so witty with your 15 page late post.

i made an analogy that the concepts were the same, not that they were equal.

lUzor time!!
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If I was standing next to you and said, "I just cheated on an MMORPG," what would you do? If I was standing next to you and said, "I just robbed a bank," what would you do? The fact is, when someone cheats, they have no care about you and they don't care that they are cheating. The people who rob banks know what they are doing is wrong and they care that they are robbing banks. They know that once they rob a bank, they must keep a very low profile and it will forever effect their life. Someone who cheats in a game CAN get away with it very easily and even if they do get caught, they can just move on without any effect to their life. What makes this possible? The off-button, the innate flaw in any real life and video game based analogy.

To anyone that plans on using that program whether it's implemented or not, you're almost guaranteed to be banned. I hope a lot of idiots do though. I can't wait for the server to be completely empty and DA all mine. Kekeke. :spiteful:
 
yay new sig time.

lavi- as zalbag said..

zalbag said:
Neo's analogy was ment to point out that just because you were pressured into doing something it doesn't make it alright. Which is true. It seemed pretty clear. The Severity of the crime wasn't important. Just the comparison.
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get it through your head.
 
neophytal said:
yay new sig time.

lavi- as zalbag said..



get it through your head.
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glad i could help, but why dont u quote the whole thing? lol, thats right, u like to take things out of context =).
 
you act like that's not common around the boards, Sire :P
 
He qouted only what was related to what I said about his analogy. To qoute my whole post would've been a really long post which 90% unrelated to his point.

When you qoute someone you don't have to repeat every little thing they said. One paragraph, assuming people use them correctly is more then enough.
 
Zalbag said:
He qouted only what was related to what I said about his analogy. To qoute my whole post would've been a really long post which 90% unrelated to his point.

When you qoute someone you don't have to repeat every little thing they said. One paragraph, assuming people use them correctly is more then enough.
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but, he didnt quote my reasoning as to why i sad that. Which is a valid reason. Which is a reason many others share. You know, the part about paying cheaters to cheat for you? You know, the part where i said all the risk is on them and not on you? So yes, it is taken out of context. I said that, but there was reasoning behind it, which of course he doesnt want to quote because it shows him in a bad light.

I suppose if i put a semi colon instead of a period that would have made a difference... lol.

edit; zalbag im talking about his sig, not what he and lavi are talking about
 
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No one is going to argue robbing a bank is wrong, not even a bank robber would. Someone can argue cheating is not wrong. People make justifications for it all the time, that's why they use them. The point of your analogy was to point out that a person being coerced into robbing a bank is guilty of robbing a bank. That I can agree with, but where I see a problem is that cheating isn't always considered illegal by all. Some consider it ok if you cheat versus sellers. Some consider cheating justified because they think or know you are cheating. Some consider flee hacking or POS warping ok when it does not effect anyone else (to get across the zone and such). You can't make that argument with robbing a bank. This is why the scale matters. Not everyone agrees with weaker scaled moral issues. Cheating in a video game is lower on the spectrum and therefore people will justify it. Something like murder or robbing a bank is so severe, people cannot possibly justify it.

Note: I do not and cannot peronally justify cheating, so I do not cheat, but that does not mean others do not.
 
Neo, a good analogy would be someone being coerced into using steroids for sports. I think that's a lot more fitting since the overall crime is a lot weaker and you can justify the usage of steroids for a lot of the same reasons people do for cheats in online video games.
 
Watchyourstep said:
Something like this thread should've been exposed a long time ago, now theres nothing left but fake victories from the past, an even more clearification of 2 faced people whos low demeanor and respect for the game for years now to have been built upon a history of hacking which years ago, appreciation for earning a hard-2-get item, for the people who helped them get it.. thrown out the window, and a new generation of noobs who will follow in the hacking footsteps.

Thanks Chas for making my penis hard for this thread

Maybe now is a great time for me to quit and save valuable RL hours of my life, instead of wasting it on camping NM's against people who hack to claim. God damn... Realizing now that the best times of this game was when it was pure.. never again will it go back to the way it was...

Now RMT's own sky, a respectable/appraciatitive player is a dime a dozen, and all fairness in-game and competitve claiming is impossible without a program created by people who aren't patient and respectable enough to wait their time for a gear... kinda makes me miss the old days many years ago when the pure NA LS's were based upon competitive matches for claim.. now nothings left but Counterfiets.

Have fun guys, keep all this grimey shit up
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I feels ya mang

this is kinda a shock and pretty sad really...i mean it's amusing and all but damn it kinda ruined the game for me.

heads up my azn brother, we got this....somehow lol
stick together man
 
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