I quit. (post of the year)

Firestreak said:
You're trying to say he's a liar therefore he's a cheater because you say so and he has no credibility - but admittedly you're al liar too. All your evidence is tainted with the fact that it also looks like he doesn't cheat, such as Cyronae discussing surprise at the fact he couldn't log in not thinking he didn't cheat, and his friend believe he didn't even own a PC.
Fire, your taking seperate things for different points and putting them into one.
The cyro post and his friends PM was to say he was a liar. i never said that supplied a micro bit of evidence for his hacking or related it.
You were around in OH, sure your backing him now but i know you remember him fleetooling, will you say that. Probly not. you always talked around if OH hacked too when that was brought up without directly stating if they do or not.
for the final time, THE ONLY proof i have supplied for quit is my word and memory of events. Nothing else, nothing you associated with it. If thats not enough for you to make a judgement like 90% of the people here, FINE. move the fuck on.
 
Chasym said:
Fire, your taking seperate things for different points and putting them into one.
The cyro post and his friends PM was to say he was a liar. i never said that supplied a micro bit of evidence for his hacking or related it.
You were around in OH, sure your backing him now but i know you remember him fleetooling, will you say that. Probly not. you always talked around if OH hacked too when that was brought up without directly stating if they do or not.
for the final time, THE ONLY proof i have supplied for quit is my word and memory of events. Nothing else, nothing you associated with it. If thats not enough for you to make a judgement like 90% of the people here, FINE. move the fuck on.

Im just glad you are finally coming out and saying people here who u said used hacks in fact didnt. The more and more you talk the more stuff comes out and shows how much of a liar you really are. I know when you quit you decided it would be best to just try and ruin everyone elses game experience but its not working.

Edit : And why do you keep saying so and so knows i used hacks when they just say something about me not hacking. None of them have came back and said i hacked.
 
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quitita said:
Im just glad you are finally coming out and saying people here who u said used hacks in fact didnt. The more and more you talk the more stuff comes out and shows how much of a liar you really are. I know when you quit you decided it would be best to just try and ruin everyone elses game experience but its not working.
im glad you admit you cant read, i never said they DIDNT, they DID. and wont admit it. What people believe is up to them you fucking moron. Can you read, honestly without adding imaginary words that were not there?
 
Chasym said:
im glad you admit you cant read, i never said they DIDNT, they DID. and wont admit it. What people believe is up to them you fucking moron. Can you read, honestly without adding imaginary words that were not there?

Im the moron? haha

Im not the one on a video game talking about how sucky my marriage is.
 
quitita said:
Im the moron? haha

Im not the one on a video game talking about how sucky my marriage is.
lol is that all you got, grow the fuck up lol. Come up with somethin real to come back at me with, not this weak make up shit. Comedy gold i swear
 
Nice try quit, You wont admit to things even i seen you do in chasym's time in OH, and im glad hes not on here trying to push nd fight you into admitting anything.
but if you wanna spout your childish act and make up stuff because you have nothing to attack him with, thats really sad. Did he really leave you with no ammo for your arsenal that you had to make up somethin that you hoped would make a major impact?
Its cute really, and flattering that you care enough to take the time away from your busy life to do so.
Its too bad you couldnt come with something REAL, chasym said i can sit here later and look through his chat logs if i like, but ive seen almost anything said in the game since i watch him play and really know i dont need to look through anything for something thats not there.
Please in the future i reccomend a little growing up, caling big brothers or something to get someone to look up to in your life, a father figure to fill that blank spot your missing.
 
Firestreak said:
If Quitita can prove you've lied before does that mean you hate your wife?
not in the least, because my wife knows the truth. Shes seen it all for herself. i dont see how my real life relates and why he just got so burned up he just needed something to attack me with so he grabbed real life and threw it out there. oh well, short tempers with no ammo.
My wife is right here, like i said shes always here usually when im playing the game, i got my chat logs readily available in full html format.
i dont see why id have to prove my marriage status to anyone on this forum though, so it relates pretty much to nothing and i believe is against the rules is it not?
 
yep
Eleibfrid on flameboard guidelines said:
2. Also, use this board for game-related threads only. This board is NOT to be used to flame peoples real lives in any way, shape or form. If you do, the thread will be locked, removed, and you will be temp-banned. If it happens again, permanent-ban.
while id just rather see the post itself removed instead of the whole thread, i believe this means shut your mouth.
 
wow, its like you lit a cigarett and burnt him good lol

anywho, i love neo, that is all
 
Elemmire said:
I understand that, but if a hacker honestly is hacking with hacks that only effect his GAME play and not mine? I'm fine with that.. it doesn't effect me, it isn't in my realm of concern. If there's a chance it effects my gameplay I'll prolly get pissed too because there's a chance it will. But honestly, if it doesn't effect me or have a chance of effecting me, I won't have a problem with it. Most people are saying "ok, if you hack a single player game that's fine" why? Because it only effects them and their gameplay.. if they hack online and it only effects their gameplay and only effects them, why get all bitchy about it? True, there are hackers that hack and it effects another's gameplay online, those hackers are annoying, I don't like them. Supplying hacks to others, I have a problem with that too, I lost respect for chasym hearing that (and loled at the idiots that couldn't find the hacks themselves)

Sure, they run faster and gives them an advantage in their gameplay over a normal player.. but if a hacker hacks a single player game than they are going to have an advantage in that game over someone who plays it normally.. I just don't see why bitch about a hacker if they don't effect you or your gameplay. Do you NEED to keep comparing yourself to others? do you need to make this game of enjoyment out to be a competition in everything? ZOMG HE GOT TO 75 BEFORE ME, COMPLETED QUESTS AND MISSIONS BEFORE ME! who cares? Honestly.. if it doesn't effect you, why care? That's my point. For the hackers that voke bot, that's gay, it is effecting your gameplay because it's decreasing your chances of getting the monster.. same with if they flee hack a monster like fafnir or tiamat or whatever for some stupid reason...cause that increases their chances of winning which means it decreases your chances of getting claim if they die. That's not fair (now if they flee hacked only Gods let's say, I wouldn't have a problem with that assuming they got all the pop items fairly and they weren't in my LS decreasing the challenge for me which I find fun. Their LS wants to hack with Gods? fine, whatever, as long as they don't hack to steal another's god I don't care. All endgame players agree that if a LS is going to wipe to a God that it's their God and it should depop anyways not taken by another LS unless the first LS that wiped gave permission to the other LS. Same with if a LS hacked in a BCNM and I'm not there. I might find it funny, but I won't really have a problem with it. It's their BCNM, they got the seals for it, their mob their claim, theirs to win or lose to and either way, it's not going to be anyone elses after.)

I just think too many people bitch about hackers in general and if they are going to bitch about a hacker who doesn't effect their gameplay at all and not about the hacker that hacks a single player game.. well I think that's rather hypocritical in a way. If they aren't effecting you, don't bitch. Though, in general I'd say you shouldn't bitch at all. You should report to a GM and hope, but all these threads where people just bitch and bitch about hackers running the tired old reasons why they are annoyed with hackers.. the same reason everyone of us who doesn't hack are tired of hackers.. it gets tiresome.. we know they're fucking over our chances at fun and challengnig, you don't need to bitch about it all over the forums the same crap you have been. Get a damn live journal or blog or whatever for that.



That is what I did XD I don't consider it part of the game so I don't care to play my game with it, I never did. I just was curious, saw, said "meh, gets boring" and stopped in about 5 mintues. But I won't care if others are using them for their own gameplay where it doesn't effect mine.. if I did care about other people cheating cause it changes their personal gameplay and no one elses... than I might as well care about people who cheat/hack in a single player game.



exactly, that's when I think you should get annoyed by a hacker, when it does inconvenience you or another player. It's cheapening your experience with the game and not at your control, that is unfair. I agree, completely, I wish more thought that way.

You don't see the whole picture. You can't see a direct effect of someone else's cheating but it does have an effect. This is the only reason I disagree with you. You just don't get it. I've been saying from the beginning that if it was a single player game it would be up to them whether or not to cheat and ruin their gaming experience. And in a single player game, one of the things you're missing, you can START OVER and make a new game and not cheat and all the effects your cheating had on the game world would all be reset; "erased".

But in a persistent game there is no reset button. And the effects in our game are often economic. If a cheater gets to 75 before I don't care. I don't care how fast a real player levels. If they have the time good for them. But what items is the cheater buying? Is he driving up costs? Is that same thing I was going to buy of the AH? Was it the last one? Is he supplying other cheaters who WILL cheat to have an advantage? Is he helping to prevent SE from doing anything about cheaters because they would lose more money than just what is represented by RMT? Is it taking me out of the game by seeing it? (example: I'm watching the Matrix and Neo takes off his shirt and he has superman tights on) Is he able to kill a NM with a large window that maybe he wouldn't have been able to (without gear and level gotten by cheating) that someone else could kill? Why should they have to compete against him AT ALL when he/she cheated their way to that point and what their character is/has exists partially because of prior cheating which, unless the items, exp, gil, gotten from cheating is thrown away (not given away but dropped), represents an unfair advantage/or unfair even ground. That's another point that is being misunderstood.
 
Elemmire said:
I just think too many people bitch about hackers in general and if they are going to bitch about a hacker who doesn't effect their gameplay at all and not about the hacker that hacks a single player game.. well I think that's rather hypocritical in a way. If they aren't effecting you, don't bitch. Though, in general I'd say you shouldn't bitch at all. You should report to a GM and hope, but all these threads where people just bitch and bitch about hackers running the tired old reasons why they are annoyed with hackers.. the same reason everyone of us who doesn't hack are tired of hackers.. it gets tiresome.. we know they're fucking over our chances at fun and challengnig, you don't need to bitch about it all over the forums the same crap you have been. Get a damn live journal or blog or whatever for that.


In this game you EARN the right to compete on the level you're on. You shouldn't have the same stuff I do if you didn't work for it. But do I care that you simply have it? NO. But I shouldn't ever have to compete with you after you've gained from cheating. I should only have to compete with others who have earned the right to be there at that level competing over the same mobs, items, EVEN XP. I swear... I don't know how people cannot see all of this. How many times has an xp session sucked because there were too many PTs in that area? And if one person in one of those parties got there by cheating and was not there (magically tele'd into a single player game) that party would probably not even be there and thus a better xp experience. The game has even been altered already in response to non-players who are either cheating for advantage or for gil to sell. The idea that there is no effect just like there isn't in a single player game, to me, is ridiculous and goes against the very nature of MMO's.

If you're a hacker I don't want or need your help to succeed. Nor should you be competing with me. You don't deserve it. We are all individuals in a society that doesn't allow individuals to cheat, skip grades, not pay taxes, etc. There's a reason for that. Everyone should have the same challenges. If you say, well its just a game, fine. But if you play it outside of the way it was created it is your own game and it affects other players even if that's not your intent.
 
lol did cyro get banned? cyro was definitely a guy... but if he was saying she was a girl.. eh.. thats another Lavi in the works... haha

Dowzer said:
Bingo. Just because a person has hacks installed on their computer, doesn't mean people will benefit them whenever the cheater is around.

I haven't read much of your arguement with Elemmire. But it sounds as if there is a cheater = everyone else benefits from them when they are around.

Honestly, you'll only benefit from a cheater when they cheat directly infront of you.

For an exp party example; the cheater is the puller and POS hacks monsters to the camp. THAT is bennefitting from a cheater.

Lets say a cheater is the tank and doesn't use his cheats during the exp party. Does everyone benefit from them? Of course not.

I don't know if this is what you're argueing, Chasym & Elemmire....But if you're saying people benefit from a cheater when they aren't cheating. Isn't that a little ass backwards?

i usually agree with you, but i disagree here, and this is why.

if you POS and hack and claim some NMs, win some battles, and do other things you may have not won/claimed otherwise, you receive benefits. maybe gear, maybe gil to buy gear, who knows.

but then you join an xp party with items that you basically obtained via this method (whether you purchased with the new "earned" gil or rare/ex from claiming)... and perform better than you would have before... maybe get a few chains barely that you didnt before, etc..

id say thats clearly benefitting from cheating, whether they did it in the current party or not.
 
Chasym said:
for the final time, THE ONLY proof i have supplied for quit is my word and memory of events. Nothing else, nothing you associated with it.
By that logic kisada is a known hacker. Just ask several old OH members, I'm sure you've heard people on vent saying how they saw him fleetool around tiamat or something.



*disclaimer: I've no idea if those people's accounts were true or not
 
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Daveman said:
By that logic kisada is a known hacker. Just ask several old OH members, I'm sure you've heard people on vent saying how they saw him fleetool around tiamat or something.



*disclaimer: I've no idea if those people's accounts were true or not
yeah, ive heard that on vent before in that context. but in that case, ive never seen that person doing anything myself.
 
Chasym said:
yeah, ive heard that on vent before in that context. but in that case, ive never seen that person doing anything myself.

My point is, what makes your word any stronger than whoever said it on vent's word?
 
The names that he did bring up were first-hand experiences from seeing them in action, is my guess.
 
Daveman said:
My point is, what makes your word any stronger than whoever said it on vent's word?
did you read what i said, It doesnt. I have said too many damn times that my word is whatever anyone wants to take it as, They can believe it or they cannot, it doesnt matter, its JUST my word. Is it that hard to get? honestly, a little reading saves alot of repeated things. someone on vent said they saw someone cheating, i didnt see them. i have the option to believe if they saw them or knew about it or not.
i believe them yeah, they hacked also, could tell who was hacking if they seen it. personally i believe them. Anyone else, thats up to them.
Same goes for anything ive said. its gettin old tho, if anyone wants to keep bringing up re-hashed crap thats been said and explained to the ground, im just gonna ask them to go back to the beginning and read.
 
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