I was defeated 48 times by Absolute Virtue...

Nolie said:
lol well i have no sea now but when i get i would lol, but the thing is it may fall through for the sole reason that people will not wanna wait in line with 60 other people for items.
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That's sea in a nutshell, unfortunately huge lines are the reality of it, however with a huge member base and constant farming, the lines for the lower tier stuff would move pretty quickly. - like capes, tier 1 and tier 2 torques.
 
Firestreak said:
That's sea in a nutshell, unfortunately huge lines are the reality of it, however with a huge member base and constant farming, the lines for the lower tier stuff would move pretty quickly. - like capes, tier 1 and tier 2 torques.
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well either way i just got a static and hopefully will be done soon ^^
 
Why not a joint, AGREED set of rules between all of us on helping with NM's of this nature. No one said they have to leave their sea activities for a joint shell, just everyone needs to agree on what happens when a joint takedown occurs.

Incorporate methods that take into account the number of players contributed, who's popset it was, how many different shells are involved, etc. I don't see this being difficult as long as we can get a consensus among leaders that they agree on it.

I read about shells working together on other servers, and then I see Aery-Drama, Xolotl MPK, and 50 page "If it's yellow" threads within Quetzy, and I wish we could all work out a solution to stop it. I think everyone needs to cut out the past and the bullshit, and start acting like responsible people.

And for all those kids out there, play another game. ^^ (joking obviously)
 
I wish our server would move foreward together than to be in this constant battle of being who can be the biggest fish in the sea (lol pun). Entering late game myself, I have enjoyed mostly the challenges of fighting big brutes and missions. It feels more like a game rather than a headache with LS politics and fighting. I don't see why there wouldn't a be a reason to work together on this. Aside from the drops, quetzy could get its name up there as a server that defeated AV. Kinda like how we were the longest undefeated besieged server until maintence ><;

If greed continues to be a problem, we'll never move foreward. Hell, ya'll should lvl white mage to 75. We get practically nothing from HNMs and end game stuff, so you know we're not in it for the drops ;)
 
Hmkiroko said:
Why not a joint, AGREED set of rules between all of us on helping with NM's of this nature. No one said they have to leave their sea activities for a joint shell, just everyone needs to agree on what happens when a joint takedown occurs.

Incorporate methods that take into account the number of players contributed, who's popset it was, how many different shells are involved, etc. I don't see this being difficult as long as we can get a consensus among leaders that they agree on it.

I read about shells working together on other servers, and then I see Aery-Drama, Xolotl MPK, and 50 page "If it's yellow" threads within Quetzy, and I wish we could all work out a solution to stop it. I think everyone needs to cut out the past and the bullshit, and start acting like responsible people.

And for all those kids out there, play another game. ^^ (joking obviously)
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I'm not saying it's impossible but the potential complaints and fears everyone would have would be enourmous.
 
neophytal said:
who was saying they were gonna steal it since it was yellow?
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Actually it was Kisada who said in say-mode how people in your own shell wanted to steal it but he was supposedly holding them back. Dozens of people saw him say it about your own shell. What are your thoughts on that Neo? Were there people really suggesting that Kaizen's steal AV that night? Or was that Kisada living up to his reputation? Now I am going to play devil's advocate and say that since you have Francheska along for the ride that that might be true. Think back to the infamous "OH steals BoL's Kirin" thread thanks to good ole Fran's provoke so it could get a shot at an osode. But personally Kisada; you need to start realizing that you should be "seen" rather than "heard" in many situations as your tact compares to Prophecy’s own rantings.

Now I have been speaking with Meastoso for quite some time about the challenges in Sea. And we are both supportive about our 2 shells work. I have even extended an offer to help Kaizen with Love pops should they ever need it. Even when AV popped he asked if we would allow them a shot at it provided we gave up. That shows respect and maturity among players and Meastoso should be commended for that and should be representing Kaizen in this thread rather than having incomplete information.

As for Nolie and your thoughts about letting another LS have a chance at fighting AV. First I want you to get to sea and kill the 7 jailers. (I hear Rappa is looking for a Sea LS...might want to send out some applications together.) Once you have done that; you will realize the extent to what everybody goes through to get to that point of having AV pop on them. I am going to say without a doubt that your opinion will change on the entire matter when this happens. If that doesn't; then you won't mind having your group be the martyr to pave the way for amiable endgame LS relations on this server. That about sum it up?

Lets go back to the reason over what this thread is about. SE's forgotten expansion is starting to prove to have some challenging endgame experiences for players on this server. Yes the drop rate in Sea sucks and there is no gil to be made but you get used to it. It is unfortunate that after 2 years some people that I know don't even have the level 30 capped Promyvion missions done because they are too difficult. So basically they spent $30 on an expansion for the opportunity to level in Bibiki Bay. Talk about a wonderful return on investments right there. But over the past 2 weeks I have now seen many of people starting CoP missions again so maybe I will be proved wrong.

In short; there are people working very hard to pop these Sea gods so all should be given props for that whether they are from Antares, Kaizen, Perseverance or Integralis. Sure any of us can wipe at any given moment; but the point is that we are there trying and having fun taking up new challenges in the game. So get to sea if you haven't gotten there yet. CoP has tons of goodies and people who are willing to share in the fun. Cyronae

P.S. For all those who just came to help out with Love pops. Myself and the rest of Antares thank all of you.
 
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That's a nice torque. Congrats on JoL, but too bad about AV. One day...
 
Firestreak said:
I'm not saying it's impossible but the potential complaints and fears everyone would have would be enourmous.
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Noted. There would obviously be some trust issues within the system at its outset, no different then a project implementation with people still clinging to the old system the project is trying to replace.

If people took a chance however and put some faith in the fair ruleset that everyone agreed upon, and tried it out, I don't see how teamwork wouldn't be appreciated.
 
antares main focus is sea and we have many people from diffent shells. So we already do that firesteak. You can't blame antares from being upset by hmkiroko by the way he presented it the frist thing the came to mind was ls steal. Also The whole linkshell coalition union thing has been argo before. Was flamed here, and torched on qcnn. You want to come help with the fight talk to Cyronae.
 
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Firestreak said:
Assuming you're talking about the "joint shell" it would require the consent of all the HNM shells to leave sea to the joint shell, and I can tell you most would say no. On the other hand I could see some shells which aren't big into sea or new into sea wanting to come on board to the project and with success other shells joining in.
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There are also those that are not involved with Land or Sky but would like to do some sea.
 
Hellstorm said:
You can't blame antares from being upset by hmkiroko by the way he presented it the frist thing the came to mind was ls steal.
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Wait, what?
 
You guys are putting too much emphasis on numbers against these mobs. You can farm and kill anything in sea except for JoL (semi debatable anyway) with 18 or even less for most. Throwing alot of bodies at HNMs is not how you get the job done.

Also take a step back, and educate yourselves on how AV has died. I think you will be suprised by how many times the words luck, glitch, etc are thrown around. 30 ppl is enough for AV, shit only 18 can engage at once.

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Devifoxx said:
Antares, Kaizen, Integralis, Perseverance, Purpose... None of us can take him in our current state.
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IDK about the others, but I'd ask you to let the 54 members of Perseverance decide what we can and cannot do, and you sir, are not one of them.

Same thing was said about how we should all team up to kill Vrtra! No one can do it alone so lets all team up! Then kaizen killed him by themselves. JDA has done it. We'll get there. These "alliances" dont work because they aren't needed. Most LSs that are farming sea have the numbers to potentially get luck to lock him. Its about having a plan and executing it. It will happen eventually.
 
Zoolander said:
You guys are putting too much emphasis on numbers against these mobs. You can farm and kill anything in sea except for JoL (semi debatable anyway) with 18 or even less for most. Throwing alot of bodies at HNMs is not how you get the job done.

Also take a step back, and educate yourselves on how AV has died. I think you will be suprised by how many times the words luck, glitch, etc are thrown around. 30 ppl is enough for AV, shit only 18 can engage at once.

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IDK about the others, but I'd ask you to let the 54 members of Perseverance decide what we can and cannot do, and you sir, are not one of them.

Same thing was said about how we should all team up to kill Vrtra! No one can do it alone so lets all team up! Then kaizen killed him by themselves. JDA has done it. We'll get there. These "alliances" dont work because they aren't needed. Most LSs that are farming sea have the numbers to potentially get luck to lock him. Its about having a plan and executing it. It will happen eventually.
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zoo does make a good point
 
Zoolander said:
No one can do it alone so lets all team up!
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My point is not saying there is a NECESSITY to ALWAYS team up vs. these mobs, only that there should be agreed upon rules between all shells regarding team-up kills, agreed to beforehand. That way, if and when a "team-up" should occur on whatever NM, that there is a standard, fair way of dealing with it.
 
Hmkiroko said:
Wait, what?
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hmkiroko said:
And thats what they ended up doing. From now on, pop JoL only during NA times so at least each end-game shell has a decent amount of members online. I'm sure if that happened, a strategy could have been devised between each of the shells to attempt to kill (or slightly maim) it instead of the "stall forever" tactic that I witnessed yesterday.
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:rtfm: that what im refering to.
 
Zoolander the edge to having 100 people or so in a big sea LS is that you'd be able to farm all the pop items simultaneously, pop level 1 jailers while still farming pop items and have wide enough range and little enough competition that it'll remain efficient instead of people constantly bumping into each other. Yes, with effort(and if all 54 of those members were in sea) you could, like everyone else, do the rare JoL and maybe even the occasional AV - the point being with weekly JoLs because of an efficiently farming system(you probably already know how some jobs are so much better than other jobs for certain jailers/pop NMs/farming mobs) even a line that's 3 times as long gets finished faster.

Feel free to do what you want to do on your own, I already knew it would be all the shell's sentiments - but in 2 years we've popped our first AV only now.
 
Firestreak said:
Zoolander the edge to having 100 people or so in a big sea LS is that you'd be able to farm all the pop items simultaneously, pop level 1 jailers while still farming pop items and have wide enough range and little enough competition that it'll remain efficient instead of people constantly bumping into each other. Yes, with effort(and if all 54 of those members were in sea) you could, like everyone else, do the rare JoL and maybe even the occasional AV - the point being with weekly JoLs because of an efficiently farming system(you probably already know how some jobs are so much better than other jobs for certain jailers/pop NMs/farming mobs) even a line that's 3 times as long gets finished faster.

Feel free to do what you want to do on your own, I already knew it would be all the shell's sentiments - but in 2 years we've popped our first AV only now.
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only problem with that many member is the wishlist. It be sky all over agian:crazy:
 
Hellstorm said:
Hmkiroko said:
And thats what they ended up doing. From now on, pop JoL only during NA times so at least each end-game shell has a decent amount of members online. I'm sure if that happened, a strategy could have been devised between each of the shells to attempt to kill (or slightly maim) it instead of the "stall forever" tactic that I witnessed yesterday.
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that what im refering to.
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Well? How is that not an accurate depiction of what happened on Tuesday? Besides, you missed the key point, which was:
a strategy could have been devised between each of the shells to attempt to kill.

How does that quote condone stealing of any kind whatsoever? I'm a firm believer of teamwork, and this could have been a situation where it potentially could be used.
 
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