if you were a designer for SE....

[Skaw]

Or they could fix potion drops.

Which is what I was suggesting to in my first post on the topic of stackable potions. That act would almost make up for the fact that Aht Urghan has jammed a railroad spike through Alchemy.

 

[hellstorm]

BLM can wear:
Black coat (body)
AF2 Body (body)
Vermy (bodY)

WHM can wear:
Nobles (body)
AF2 (body)
Vermy (body)

So they only get 1 mp a tick
RDM:
AF 2 (hat) & dalmatica, that is auto of two. what is unfair as RDM do not need as much MP as WHM or BLM, but they get the best mage gear in the game. So do not need a boost lol

rdm get best mage gear? rdm dont need mp? your kidding right? unlike blm which only need have int gear or whm which only need mind gear a rdm needs both. A whm only heals a blm only nukes. A rdm does all the above and more with a 3rd of the mana. Dalmatica is overrated give me a crimsion tabard. blm get hella lot of enf grear, yet rdm bits tooth and nail to get elemental magic gear.
Blu and drk get vorpal blade yet rdm do not? Dont see drk or blu being able use relic, dont see drk or blu being able to use justice. We can but dont get vorpal blade where the justice in that.

 

[Bajaratt]

Blu and drk get vorpal blade yet rdm do not? Dont see drk or blu being able use relic, dont see drk or blu being able to use justice. We can but dont get vorpal blade where the justice in that.

BLU and DRK are melee DD, red mage is not. Their physical damage is actually worth talking about, red mage's is not. PLD can use morgenstern but you don't hear them whining about no hexa strike. BLM can use prudence rod, but they aren't whining about not being able to use hexa strike. Red mage melee sucks, and there is no reason to improve it beyond shutting up whiney rdm's who think they need to be a massive meleer to solo.

 

[delsus]

rdm get best mage gear? rdm dont need mp? your kidding right? unlike blm which only need have int gear or whm which only need mind gear a rdm needs both. A whm only heals a blm only nukes. A rdm does all the above and more with a 3rd of the mana. Dalmatica is overrated give me a crimsion tabard. blm get hella lot of enf grear, yet rdm bits tooth and nail to get elemental magic gear.
Blu and drk get vorpal blade yet rdm do not? Dont see drk or blu being able use relic, dont see drk or blu being able to use justice. We can but dont get vorpal blade where the justice in that.

RDM do not need a big MP pool, they can get it up quick. WHM only cures? You most of been in a party with some shit WHMs, and some shit BLMs.

Whats the point of a big MP pool if you are on /heal most the time? Resson a BRD does not go into full MP gear till got all the possable refresh stuff, there is no need for a MP of 1000 etc. Just have a higher auto refresh and you can do more in the time then justbe on /heal also you forget RDM gets convert to much MP = a bad convert to little is wasted HP

 

[hellstorm]

RDM do not need a big MP pool, they can get it up quick. WHM only cures? You most of been in a party with some shit WHMs, and some shit BLMs.

Whats the point of a big MP pool if you are on /heal most the time? Resson a BRD does not go into full MP gear till got all the possable refresh stuff, there is no need for a MP of 1000 etc. Just have a higher auto refresh and you can do more in the time then justbe on /heal also you forget RDM gets convert to much MP = a bad convert to little is wasted HP

I forget nothing first off most rdm never rest, why because of convert. Secoundly brds dont rest because they have no need to because last time I check they dont even have a mana bar unless they sub whm. Also because they dont have the rest we can put more gear in mnd and int and less in mp.

 

[hellstorm]

BLU and DRK are melee DD, red mage is not. Their physical damage is actually worth talking about, red mage's is not. PLD can use morgenstern but you don't hear them whining about no hexa strike. BLM can use prudence rod, but they aren't whining about not being able to use hexa strike. Red mage melee sucks, and there is no reason to improve it beyond shutting up whiney rdm's who think they need to be a massive meleer to solo.

see diffent between that is hex is whm only skill. pld get that it callled swift blade. Rdm may not be melee powerhouse but we do have melee abilitys.

 

[Bajaratt]

see diffent between that is hex is whm only skill. pld get that it callled swift blade. Rdm may not be melee powerhouse but we do have melee abilitys.

I don't recall redmage getting a single job ability or trait that improves melee damage. You have the same melee quality that a WHM, a SMN or a BLm has; effectively none. There is no "melee abilities" for redmage, you get nothing that helps your melee unless your subjob provides those benefits(which doesn't apply to red mage's "melee abilities"). You have no reason to whine about your melee damage sucking, that was by design so that rdm wouldn't be even more broken than they already are.

 

[Mistra]

I don't recall redmage getting a single job ability or trait that improves melee damage. You have the same melee quality that a WHM, a SMN or a BLm has; effectively none. There is no "melee abilities" for redmage, you get nothing that helps your melee unless your subjob provides those benefits(which doesn't apply to red mage's "melee abilities"). You have no reason to whine about your melee damage sucking, that was by design so that rdm wouldn't be even more broken than they already are.

Duh, Bajaratt obviously subbing warrior on Red Mage is going to be the new norm.

 

[hellstorm]

Duh, Bajaratt obviously subbing warrior on Red Mage is going to be the new norm.

if that was case whould not argo about vorpal blade because we get it when we sub war or drk

 

[hellstorm]

I don't recall redmage getting a single job ability or trait that improves melee damage. You have the same melee quality that a WHM, a SMN or a BLm has; effectively none. There is no "melee abilities" for redmage, you get nothing that helps your melee unless your subjob provides those benefits(which doesn't apply to red mage's "melee abilities"). You have no reason to whine about your melee damage sucking, that was by design so that rdm wouldn't be even more broken than they already are.

well we do get -en spells :biggrin: . We have access to body like assult jerkin, SH, pah khazagand. There no reason for us not to be able to use vorpal blade. No we will never be able to be melee dd in exp party, but sure be nice when soling with /nin or /thf.

 

[K. Ishitar]

we also get /blu

which gives some nice stat bonuses to melee stats for solo work

no we dont need a melee buff just the proper subjob(solo) to make it work

 

[Mishaela]

well we do get -en spells :biggrin: . We have access to body like assult jerkin, SH, pah khazagand. There no reason for us not to be able to use vorpal blade. No we will never be able to be melee dd in exp party, but sure be nice when soling with /nin or /thf.

BRD get melee gear, but OH OH OH I GET IT, THEY SHOULD SUB WAR AND HOP IN THE FRAY TOO, YES?
No.

rdm get best mage gear? rdm dont need mp? your kidding right? unlike blm which only need have int gear or whm which only need mind gear a rdm needs both.

Gearswap what now?

A whm only heals

And gives buffs such as haste, regen, barspells as well as Flash and covers -nas no other job can. If they're not, your own fault for keeping them in the party.

a blm only nukes.

And stuns, and in most cases provides the DoT enfeebs. Yes, an RDM/BLM can cover those, but your own fault if you wanna make your job that much harder by covering those each fight as well.

A rdm does all the above and more with a 3rd of the mana.

Oh yes, you carry the entire damn world on your atlas-like shoulders. Gimme a f-!king break. There's no possible way you could play main healer AND enfeebler AND buffer AND nuker without totally slacking off on at least one or totally annhilating your MP within three fights.

Dalmatica is overrated give me a crimsion tabard. blm get hella lot of enf grear, yet rdm bits tooth and nail to get elemental magic gear.

Because much like their melee abailities, RDM wasn't meant to be some world-torching nuker. Their forte is buffing/debuffing. If you don't like it, play a different job already.

 

[Gannon]

If I was a designer for SE, I would release the scythe buff there've been promising us drks for months. XD

 

[hellstorm]

BRD get melee gear, but OH OH OH I GET IT, THEY SHOULD SUB WAR AND HOP IN THE FRAY TOO, YES?

when did I ever say rdm should sub war. If sword was highest skill weapon then yes, but it not staff and dagger is.

Gearswap what now?

?? yes we do gear swap still does not mean we get the best mage gear like kire said. If he means we get best mage melee gear then maybe, but we are the only mage that even has melee potential.

And gives buffs such as haste, regen, barspells as well as Flash and covers -nas no other job can. If they're not, your own fault for keeping them in the party.

And stuns, and in most cases provides the DoT enfeebs. Yes, an RDM/BLM can cover those, but your own fault if you wanna make your job that much harder by covering those each fight as well.

ya knew that was going come back to haunt me(little sleep when I wrote it). What ment to say is whm handle mnd(light side) of the house. While blm handle blm int(dark side)
rdm handle both side (not as good) After all rdm is jack of all trades master at none.

Because much like their melee abailities, RDM wasn't meant to be some world-torching nuker. Their forte is buffing/debuffing. If you don't like it, play a different job already.

well dalmatica is overrated. the 40 hp mp and 10 int mnd is much better then 50hp>mp refresh +1. Now if only crimson didn't intimidate you around demons and dragoons. Blm are not made for enfeb yet blm has much more enf option, then rdm has elemental gear. Also I disagree with that statement anyway. Rdm was meant to be the in-between mage job that can fill many different roles in a party it the stigma and stereo type of the player that made them so limited in potential.
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[Bajaratt]

After all rdm is jack of all trades master at none.

And right there is why rdm shouldn't get vorpal blade. You're not meant to be the best sword wielding job in the game, you already get most of the best swords in the game(all but ridill) so the only way to penalize you is with the "best" weapon skill.

 

[hellstorm]

And right there is why rdm shouldn't get vorpal blade. You're not meant to be the best sword wielding job in the game, you already get most of the best swords in the game(all but ridill) so the only way to penalize you is with the "best" weapon skill.

even with VB we not the master that whould go to pld. who does get all best swords in the game. Also highest dmg sword we get is the 40 dmg enhancing sword (excluding relic)

 

[Mishaela]

Pretty sure BLM gets all the enfeebling gear for landing sleep anyways. Gravity being accessable via subjob is just a bonus.

 

[Mistra]

if that was case whould not argo about vorpal blade because we get it when we sub war or drk

Sarcasm at it's finest bub =).

 

[Tagrineth]

even with VB we not the master that whould go to pld. who does get all best swords in the game. Also highest dmg sword we get is the 40 dmg enhancing sword (excluding relic)

You wouldn't be the master but it'd be a big boost, too much of one... so finish bandaging up those wrists and move on.

 

[hellstorm]

or if not give rdm vorpal blade fix savage blade ws.