Ignorance and Arrogance

Torque said:
Id also like to disagree with your word choice Sculli, should be virtues not values. Values are subjective, virtues are objective.
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Virtues are nice, but they do not govern our lives. Virtues and values can be one and the same for some people, but they don't have to be.

The problem with virtues is that they are absolut (or as you put it, objective), while life isn't like that, which makes it difficult to apply them at times.

Take the Virtue of Justice, which includes the unwillingness to lie or steal. Meaning no matter what, you will not lie or steal, ever, regardless of the circumstances. It's not practical. After Katrina people were looting grocery stores, they were stealing, taking what is not theirs, and not paying for it. No two ways about that, by the letters of the law, and virtue, that is stealing. However, they were doing it to save their own life, not to enrich them (even though I am sure some were doing it for profit, but let's not talk about those here).

Are those who were out in waist deep filthy water all day to go and steal some food and water from a store miles away and bring it back to their elderly grandparents who couldn't even move in 110 degree heat bad people? By the letters of the Virtue of Justice, they are.

Which is why people live their lives by values. Positive values allow you to have good character, and still do something that is in violation or some rule or some law if the situation leaves you no other choice.
 
why did you have to nerf MPK SE?????
WHY???
 
it all comes down to ethics... are people able to camp where they want to get xp regardless of job or amount of people in party...yes. are higher lvl people able to kill off saplings...yes. however, is it ethical to camp with bst by yourself near a 6 person xp party..yes its ethical. is it ethical to kill bst pets full knowing thats what he is using them for...no
 
Touche(sp), But I also have a rubuttle for that, but all in all it comes down to a ciruclar reptition of arguments. But anyway Shaid question.

Did the end justify the means?
 
For the longest time I always gave Shaid the benift of the doubt. It wasnt too long ago he/she was new and learning a thing or two bout how to play. I can completely understand her ignorance toward the bst job.
A lot of ppl think 6 > 1(2), hell even I do as well. When CC'n with a bst, I treat em like a pt.
There have been a time or two where I have had a bst charm berries and kill beetles, and i could only bite my lip wishing they would leave. In this case shaid thought it be okay to destroy the bst in the name of getting more exp for her friend.
In that case, that was a low and pathetic move. You really did screw yourself in many ppl's eyes. I can only hope you can redeem yourself someday for this.
 
Shad youre a bitch, a BST IS a party for all intents and purposes. They have as much right to XP there as anyone else, and should not have to move out and lose XP just because a party turns up and wants to xp there too. It takes just as long for a BST to move somewhere else as it does a party, unless BSTs have been given the ability to teleport across the world, warp around, or run faster. No wait, thats the abilities WHMs, BLMs and THFs get, all of which you often find in parties.

Thank god you dont play this game to make friends or youd be shit out of luck.
 
Shaid-- For a while I was begining to think that perhaps you were simply misguided and still "learning" and needing direction. I'd also come to have sympothy for you on many occassions while reading these forums. I'd thought that perhaps you were the "lashing out victim"-- but this seems to be the last straw. I'll admit, I was naive. You're a waste of space. An inconsiderate one at that, which is by far the worst kind.

Granted SE might've nurfed MPKing, but I still continue to stress that making enemies with a BST is not the brightest thing to do. "You're not here to make friends" arguement only goes so far in a team-oriented game. Don't forget that karma will bite you in the ass. I'd recommend that you delete your character and start over again because unless a shell is completely desperate for a RDM-- you are going to have a lot've problems.

And yes, my added angst in this thread is due to having played BST and having to deal with moronic, inconsiderate tools like yourself. That is all.
 
I was there on my Bard in that party(and to make it clear we were fighting beetles). We were not losing XP and it's true he did save our lives twice infact he died once for us. Windaria really has an elitist asshole stance on everything and believes since she pays for the game can do anything anywhere to anyone. So, since we all pay for the game we can go AOE MPK her and use her justification to prove that we're just playing the game how we want and that we're paying customers? No, we all suffer consequences. I don't even know why she was there, she didn't drop any cures on our party, and she didn't really help us in anyway. If you're going to have that attitude against someone else I say go play WoW.
 
I had the pleasure of meeting Suragata in Gustav one night, helping a friend of Isotopes get a WHM testimony. We showed up and Wyvernpoacher was up, he was rude as hell, yelling at the party members (because he wanted exp, generally being an asshole), we got a bunch of adds, and the 3 of us died from a bomb toss, after he dropped an Obow.
Anyhow, he then tells us to move, while we were waiting for weakness to wear, being a jerk off of course, when we were nice enough to help em out, cause the gobbie was ruining their exp flow.

In my opinion his attitude probably caused a lot of this also, yet it's funny how he turns someone in, when he's breaking the ToS also, by using Windower. I play on PC, all I ever run is fraps. I know a lot of people use windower, but looking at the screenshots, a lot of what he was saying was also provoking, not to mention the swearing. I'm sure he even conveniently left out stuff, did the GM get him for swearing or anything. I recently got a 72 hour temporary vacation for swearing/profanity, because I was defending myself.

Ah well, I'm tired going back to sleep soon.
 
*sigh* Sad thing is, this happens on a daily basis for just about every BST. It is by no means an uncommon occurance.

Shaid is a bitch, no doubt, but she has a lot in common with many other players who are of the same view:

Party > BST.

Let me remind you of a little flame from a while back:

http://www.qcdn.org/showthread.php?t=12557&highlight=Garlaige+Citadel

This stuff has been going on for a long time. It's bullshit, it's selfish, but people don't care.

Guess I'm kinda rambling. Shaid's a a selfish whore, end of story.

Just remember people, a BST near you isn't usually a bad thing, most will try to help you; not hurt you.
 
Astyanax said:
I had the pleasure of meeting Suragata in Gustav one night, helping a friend of Isotopes get a WHM testimony. We showed up and Wyvernpoacher was up, he was rude as hell, yelling at the party members (because he wanted exp, generally being an asshole), we got a bunch of adds, and the 3 of us died from a bomb toss, after he dropped an Obow.
Anyhow, he then tells us to move, while we were waiting for weakness to wear, being a jerk off of course, when we were nice enough to help em out, cause the gobbie was ruining their exp flow.

In my opinion his attitude probably caused a lot of this also, yet it's funny how he turns someone in, when he's breaking the ToS also, by using Windower. I play on PC, all I ever run is fraps. I know a lot of people use windower, but looking at the screenshots, a lot of what he was saying was also provoking, not to mention the swearing. I'm sure he even conveniently left out stuff, did the GM get him for swearing or anything. I recently got a 72 hour temporary vacation for swearing/profanity, because I was defending myself.

Ah well, I'm tired going back to sleep soon.
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OMG you are totally right! Shaid isn't actually a douche and didn't MPK him. And all because he was rude to you in Gustav...

While i am all for people complaining about other people being assholes i do not see how him (assuming your story is correct) being an asshole on this occasion makes shaid any less of a fucking bitch.
 
You can believe me or not, but most people here are all bandwagon jumpers and make things seem 100x more than they appear to be.
 
Also, I can assure you the story is 100%.

Theres the URL, from the day it happened.
http://www.qcdn.org/showthread.php?t=21411

So, basically you are bitching at me, because I had a bad run-in with a person. Yet, when other people have a bad run-in with a person it's ok, and they can talk shit?
 
No basically he may be an asshole...but he is still in the right here. The fact that he was a dick once does not change that.
 
jesus i get done with my party take a nap and come back to hear bout this page from my friend..... this is sasuki. anyway the bst didnt bother our xp till the other party came in. actually he helped alot up untill then but after yea our xp got slower =/ i dont wana take a sidcause wind help by keeping our tank alive (all she seemed to do lol) so we got some wat of a pl out of it. anyway every1 has the right to play the game how they want not much u can do im srry u died but like she said u did get a raise...
i didnt mind the bst up untill the second party came n but after like i said xp got slow not saying it was right for them to kill ur pets but not much u can do =/
as far as i can tell i think both of u just need to cool down. i dont realy know ither of you but dang all this from 1 thing kinda sad lol
anyway back to the game i only read a few posts and im not reading more cause i think this is stupid peace
 
Has meeze happened to pass buy yet? I think he needs to add this thread to his "Shaidalyn getting Pwned" Scrap book he's been keeping.

But to recap on some key points I saw that, well, made me lol.

R2 as a 62 RDM. Wow. Your /WHM is very powerful.

You didn't know Caveberries link!? How?

Seriously. This has been an owning from hell.
 
squeezeme said:
i didnt mind the bst up untill the second party came n
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So why is it you had a problem with the BST when it was the second party that came in who caused the crowding issue? If anything you should be pissed at the party who came in when the area was already camped.
 
Lecan said:
So why is it you had a problem with the BST when it was the second party that came in who caused the crowding issue? If anything you should be pissed at the party who came in when the area was already camped.
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Have I taught you nothing!?

Because, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE.

And people don't like to do that. :wink:
 
Astyanax said:
Also, I can assure you the story is 100%.

Theres the URL, from the day it happened.
http://www.qcdn.org/showthread.php?t=21411

So, basically you are bitching at me, because I had a bad run-in with a person. Yet, when other people have a bad run-in with a person it's ok, and they can talk shit?
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That "one" bad occurance. Empahsis on the word one. This does not even the score here. Notice how you're the only one that has brough up a issue with Surugata in this whole thread aside from Windaria/Shaid? Am I defending either one? Nope.

It happened yes but it's not really relevant to this specific topic.
 
You know, if you thought he was hurting your friends exp..

YOU COULD HAVE ASKED HIM TO MOVE. WITH WORDS AND MAYBE A PLEASE OR A SMILEY.

If your first reaction to someone camping in a crowded area is to KILL HIM, you need a time out in one of those little kindgarten chairs in a corner. Watch the clock for five minutes and think about what you did. Maybe use a little courtesy, common sense, and just a tad bit of sympathy next time eh?

This is unacceptable. You say you only play for endgame and pull stunts like this? You will never see sky, let alone sea. Sorry kid, this is bullshit and you know it. Get over yourself.
 
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