Im complainin about alotta things here...

comparing my flame, which was general, Not denouncing ANYONES character to that statement makes no sense. Its two different things. my flame was at no one person in at all. im not denouncing any one person. im speaking to the general mass.
and in no way tried to conform anyone to the way i feel, im just getting things off my chest on a bad day. that recent statement just adressed those who do. im in no way contradicting myself.
hell im not even fighting with you, im just having a discussion of views here. So i hope no ones taking this convo to personal.

No, i do notcare about syliph, Infact i have never even heard anything about the guy until that point. I wont be dumb enough to be scammed by him or anyone else either.


Colbwa may be a real person playing a character, but your reason for hating him is in game actions. Not something he as a person in the real world did.

and yeah that persons reputation may get them judged by others. And its their fault for the actions they take and the reputation they get.

I myself have kept a great rep in this game, always helping others out with in game and RL problems alike. Never had no problems with no one in game that caused me to grudge them. and if i did i Blisted them and kept it to myself. i think i have 3 people on my list, who probly dont play anymore cause that was nearly a year ago.
and i just came in here after having a very bad in game week to get stuff of my chest and use a few examples. And i get the gun jumped on me cause i have a heart and dont hate people.
and i thought everyone on this board had an open mind to discuss and be friends with in times like this. it was all good coming here till this.
well i know this will continue to be discussed, so continue as it may.
 
Hrm.. Chasym I don't dissagree much with most of your original post.

Though.. your later posts/arguement with Falsey (as much as I am beginning to greatly dislike his way of expressing his "WoW love", that has no relavance in this thread) were just kind of stupid really.

This for example
Hitler and stalin, Real life
Colbwa,Game character.
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and this
But people like colbwa ARE GAME CHARACTERS whom i will never meet in RL or ever care to. Im not gonna judge someone because of someone elses bad game expierience. I can see if it was real life and he lived down the street and killed someone.
but he doesnt.
he didnt.
hes a game character.
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Im sorry.. but I have to agree with Falsey on this one one
There is a person playing that charecter named Colbwa.
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Argue all you want that Colbwa is just a "game character" but you'd be wrong. Sure.. if Colbwa was an NPC then he'd really be a game character. Now if you're reffereing to the Mithra in the game and all you really see Colbwa as is this female cat and that's it, hrm.. k.

I really wonder about people like that, if you have learned anything from playing a mmo is that there is a real person behind every character (excluding npc's). You're little character in these games is very much an extention of yourself in at very least some small way, because who decides what that character does.. you, the person at the keyboard (or controller in some cases), determines what you do.

If one is an idiot who likes to piss people off inside a game, what's keeping them from acting like an ass in real life? Why would one wan't to piss people off unless one enjoys it, in which case, that person behind the character enjoys it and most likely enjoys being annoyance to people in reality.

If one is a nice person in reality, why would one feel compelled to do the opposite through a video game? That person would not have realized then that there are also people behind all the other players? Which doesn't make it any different from reality then now does it, in the way a person acts.

What I'm saying is, you can't be that stupid. Chasym.. I really don't think you are. You know there is a person behind every "character". Do you act much different in the game than you do in your every day life?

I'm not talking about mannerisms that you might do to "role-play" with your character. I'm talking about your over all attitude and the way you treat people. It really isn't all that different from what you do in the "real world".

Now, ofcourse you're not a freaking 8 foot tall elvaan in real life, but you are a person who I'd imagine doesn't act all that different from how I know you through the game, and even by reading posts here on qcdn.. Someone can get the feel for how a person acts or behaves. If I just briefly met you in real life and had a quick chat with you, very similar to what I might do in FFXI, I really don't think id get a different impression of you than I already have. That being for the most part you seem to be a nice guy.

However were I to start hanging out with you often and really get to know you in real life, there could be some things about you I might find angering (not that I do, this is just an example). I could just as easily start hanging out with you more through the game and come to the same conclusions/thoughts.

You are Chasym, though sure you have a real name and all, but the name Chasym is all i know you by. Does that mean I should think of you as only Chasym, just an elvaan in the world of vanadiel? Psh.. no.. infact that just sounds wierd. You're a person who's playing the game, just like I am, you're a person first, and you play this game through the "character" you named Chasym.

What im getting at, is you are Chasym, just as much as the person behind Colbwa is Colbwa. The flameboard is here to give us a place to rant and rave about our bad experiences/luck/misfortunes and whatever we dont like.

When so many different people start having complaints about one person., they can't all be wrong. Example: Roofie. He was a huge dick to a huge amount of people (if not everyone). I read lots of flames about him back in the day.. but I didn't jump on him. Sure, he probably was a big prick. Though I never hung around him long enough to find out. The few times I did see him the only words exchanged were something along the lines of "Hey you're Roofie", "Yeah" , /wave, /wave. Most of the flames on him were of him saying or doing something stupid while in a party or of him just being mean for no good reason. I didn't see this side of him, i did witness his retarded side though through some of the shouts he'd do in lower jeuno. I never partied with him so I've no clue how that might have gone. I have heard that as far as doing his job went he was good/decent, but his attitude and language were what angered people the most.

Colbwa.. i don't know. He is just wierd. I have met and witness the thing that is colbwa myself (in the game). It doesn't take much more than common sense and a hint of intellegence to notice he's a very.. disturbed individual.. to say the least. I have seen him be completely hysterical (ie. swearing, constant caps, "I TINK U KNO THE FUCKING KIND!!!!", and -50 IQ comments) to being calm and almost normal and talking/typing no different than I would under normal circumstances. So my own conclusion is that Colbwa.. the individual who plays him is most likely no different in reality. He likes to annoy people, and probably has some kind of mental and emotional problems going on that only a doctor and somekind of drug could help..

Well.. my head hurts.. and ive almost been up for 20 hours.. so yeah..

If you don't understand what I was trying to get at from all of that then bah, all i have to say is "you suck".
 
Wow Ecks...that was...just wow. I feel smarter reading that, one of the best put together posts I have ever seen. Seriously.

One thing I can say though, is that not everyone is JUST like they play their character. Part of RPG is that you can play the role you choose to play. Im a nice guy in real life. Maybe I dont want to be, I want to see how the other group lives. So I go around acting like an ass to everyone. Well that reflects not at all on me as a person, because I was trying something out and playing the game how I believe it was intended originally. Someone like Hitler, made that choice in the real world to start wars and commit genocide.

Also, I dont understand everyones NEED to reach that next level. So what if you go to bed with 1k tnl. I stopped caring about it at like level 30. The only time I would care was if I was level 36 and wanted to hit 37 so I could drop a job for good. That way I wouldnt have to get into another party for hours when I dont want to. Someone gets their level, and is now about 10 exp into it. One death kills them... You are in no way better off. You would have got it in your next party. You do not want to be in a party as say 20 exp into 66 with a bunch of 68's, because you are going to be the last to level. It is no different than you being in a party with a bunch of 64's...its a bad time either way. Just something I am curious about.

Fae
 
Chasym i agree with you about alot of things. The unprepardness of scheduled missions and quests, AH undercutters, and hell im glad that you dont judge people based on others opinions. Can make our imaginary world a happier place 8)

For garrisons, i know from experience with my LS that you need to get a LS or a good group of friends to do it with. Try and set up some ground rules and make it so its fair.

As far as everyone being imaginary characters, Ecks said everything i needed to say. There is a real person behind that characters face. Thats something you can never forget.
 
I did forget to mention the people that really do the serious Role-Playing.. it's really great stuff, and a lot of creativity can come out of it. I thought about doing it a long time ago in FFXI, and even while there's plenty of material to go on, and creating a good story isnt that hard to do.

There's still a person behind that character. That person may be Role-Playing an alternate persona, but most real role-players are decent enough people, and will talk to you OOC (out of character) which is pretty much how I'd describe 95% of Quezts's population as behaving. Really thought I haven't run into many serious RP'ers that were just Rping somewhere for enjoyment. I think mostly they keep to private RP linkshells or try to find unnoccupied places to carry out some RP with their friends.

RP'ers though, don't want you to get confused between how they're RPing their character and how they really are... and generally will only be RPing with other RP'ers. Those RP'ers can generally make the distinction between RP and real talk.. ie. "Hmm.. Yes, the moon gleams quite nicely off my blade tonight. I wonder if your blood shall do the same." <- RPish stuff.. "Okay guys so tonight at 7pm we're all gonna meet up in Lion Springs Tavern for a little Linkshell Event!" <--Notably speaking out character. Though generally when RP'ers type OOC they use something to differenciate between being in character (IC) and OOC. Normal /say would most likely be used in most manner of RP'ing, as well as /tells for private RP'ing "whispers". To differenciate between IC and OOC, when typing stuff OOC topics are formated like this: /say ((So I hear John's not going to be on tonight)). While being IC would just be: /say Aye, when I was a young lad we had t'carry 10 gallon water pails all the way home just to earn a meal.

I mean, c'mon it's a fantasy world.. no real RP'er is going to RP having a bazooka in this kind of setting or anything technological, well highly technological anyway, because it just wouldnt fit.

But uh hrm.. yeah..i kinda forgot where I was going with this. Brains running off fumes..

Guess the point was, if someone's rping, they're going to let you know their rping if you start questioning them. If you don't like that someone is Rping, that's too bad. It's thier right to. Also, just because they like to RP doesn't mean they wont talk to your OOC and that you can't get to know how they are. If someone's a good person, then they're a good person.


If you wen't around being an ass to people all of a sudden, when normally you aren't, id probably think someone else was playing your character. If you explained to me that you were just doing a test. I can tell you my responce would be.. "Um.. okay. Well It's not cool. If you wanted to piss people off I guess you succeded. :/ " Just because you're "testing" something make it okay.. Sure I could "test" to see what it's like to train a a bunch of gobs on noobs in Yutunga Jungle.. but I know it would piss a lot of people off and give me a bad rep. I don't want that.
 
>< In the last paragraph one sentance should read: Just because you're "testing" something doesn't make it okay..
 
Hehe nice one again. Like that last part. Yeah you are right I suppose. But if someone wanted to be an ass, I would expect them to be an ass all the time. There was a point when I wondered what it would be like to be someone like Vang. After getting to know him a lot and stuff, I just wondered how his personal interactions with people were considering all I have read and all i have discussed with him. Of course I was already Faedryth, and suddenly changing my attitude is not a good idea. But now I always have the opportunity to become a different person you know. Its kinda cool. I mean Colbwa could be one of the coolest people you would ever meet in the real world...but well never know! Anyways, I shouldnt be posting here anymore. Im a firm believer that once you are outta the game, you are outta it completely. Take care!

Fae
 
i agree with a lot of what was said...

but there are differences in rl and in game... Even using myself as an example, I'm a much braver and stronger person online, I think. The basic anonymity lends courage to people who may normally be very shy. People who might be less smart irl are very confident about their knowlege of game matters. After meeting people irl who i knew online for several years I noticed some key differences in their personalities from their rl self and thier online alter ego.

I think what I'm trying to say is a person in game will react to the game events differently than if the same (or similar) events took place irl. Someone who would be paralyzed with fear if confronted by a life or death situation irl would spring into action and rise to the challenge in game.

Their reactions are also based on how they view the game itself. Personally I get swept up in it, treating others as i would if i knew them irl yet party members i treat as if i had known them for several weeks irl, the game accellerates my normal comfort zone with strangers. Yet others are very grounded in the 'Its just a game" which theres nothing wrong with, but they separate gam/rl so clearly in their minds that their emotions and reactions can be vastly different than people who treat the game as if it is real while they are playing. Neither is better, they are just different forms of behavior, and there are times the lines blur and the just-a-game guy will allow himself to get very close to the game and the treat-it-real guy will back away and distance himself. There are no 100%'s in human behavior. :wink:

That said the personality any human takes on when they enter the game (the character personality which we see and interact with) changes very little. Bobthetaru is going to be the same today as tomorow, no matter how different he is from his rl counterpart.

I think taking anything on the flameboard without a grain of salt is a bad idea. Now if the person's rep is absolute shit here, I watch for the name. If theres one of those persons in my exp pt I generally say nothing but I go in with the expectation of them sucking. Many times I'm pleasently suprised and sometimes the Flmaeboard was right. I still think its better to form your own opinion of someone than only listen to gossip, since really thats what the flameboard is. Rumors and gossip. I've lived through a personal reputation destroying rumor (which was untrue) which I had no part in founding and frankly those types of things cannot be stamped out or undone. I urge people not to post shit about others unless they really deserve it, just because its very hurtful to have your rep ruined undeservingly.
 
I gotta go with the crowd on this one. There is some truth in the way a person plays as to how they are in RL. It might not be apparent right away, but generally, in a few conversations people peel away the character and start using their "real voice." Are you silly for trying to trust the same person who has ditched on you two or three times previously? Yeah, I'd imagine so. I'm sure it goes a bit deeper than that... but meh.

But I stand firm in my opinion in which just because a person has wronged you, that enables you to call anyone else who shows any kind of warmness to said person who wronged you an "idiot". Is it wrong to warn somebody about them? Hell no. But leave it up to our discretion as to whether or not we want to be around him, for personal gain, or whatever.

There is a real person that plays as Colbwa. It's mearly an alias he hides behind. Same as Roofie. Same as Batchporu. Same as any of the rest of us morons playing this MMORPG.

Falsey, I really think you're a douche. I've tried to warm up to you. I asked you not to quit when you announced it the first time here on qcdn. I got blown off. "Who are you?" You said. I saw you a few times after that, and you gave me silly emotes, shaking your head at me. :roll: Damn dude, that was kinda cold. Then when we went to help Genevine and Apoc with thier G-1, you seemed very pissy and demanding. "Stop it! Let me solo it!"

But wait, I've got a point to make here. These were my interactions with you. No one elses. I let everyone else make their decisions about you. If someone in my LS said "Hey, Falseprophet joined my party..." I wouldn't tell them to disband just because you're an ass to me. After all, I'm sure in your mind I deserved it, or you didn't even realize you were being an ass, or maybe you did and just didn't feel like being nice those days. Meh, whatever. And again, who am I to tell anyone else they are an "idiot" because they are helping you (and themselves) just because I don't like you. Would I warn them that you were an ass to me? Yeah, I would. "He can be an ass sometimes, be warned." Then I let them decide what they want to do. If they party with you, who knows? Could be the best party they ever had. If not... meh, just another person you've pissed off. (Using it as an example, follow me here...)


But I really draw the line at comparing Colbwa to Stalin and Hitler, or any murderer that takes the life of a living thing for that matter. If a comparison is to be made, Colbwa is like that kid who sat behind you in Algebra class flicking you in the ear with a pencil. He gets off on pissing you off and getting the best of you. Look, Colbwa sucks, and losing some XP to one of his MPK's or wasting some of you're free time due to his insolence can certainly be very frustrating. It constitutes a flame, absolutley. Warn others about him. Shout it aloud in Jeuno for all to hear. But judging someone else and calling them a general "idiot" just because they do something that you may not approve of for any reason (barring something illegal) then you're just as much of an idiot.

And in the ever so condescending words of an asshat... I flame you Falseprophet. Dick.
 
Excim said:
Falsey, I really think you're a douche. I've tried to warm up to you. I asked you not to quit when you announced it the first time here on qcdn. I got blown off. "Who are you?" You said. I saw you a few times after that, and you gave me silly emotes, shaking your head at me. :roll: Damn dude, that was kinda cold. Then when we went to help Genevine and Apoc with thier G-1, you seemed very pissy and demanding. "Stop it! Let me solo it!"
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You know whats good about that - fucking falsey is awesome. I mean that.

There are some of us in this game who dont get along right after we meet the first time, hell even the first few times, but then they turn out to be fucking great. Some people are more sarcastic and fun when they play and others can't pick up on that. Such is Falsey. Such is Panda. A lot of you are so quick to judge, like, that person is a total dickhead, but then it turns out they're not, just because your personalities online didn't gel right away. Give me a break. You don't know falsey, just like i dont know firestreak, etc. You have nothing better to go on other than some stuff that he was doing to be cute (because he totally is the cutest) and some sarcastic banter.

Ok, I'm done, just had to stick up for one of the few people who I played this game with who had any kind of sense of humor or knows how to have fun instead of working the game like a fucking job.
 
THANK YOU ECKS
i was wonderin when someone was gonna come along and make the intelligent comments on that, instead of "IDIOT this is what i think"

You are right bro, Your game char does reflect you in RL in some ways no matter how you show it.
I myself am a sracastic prankster....and yes that shows alot in the game.
But im also a kind generous person when it comes down to it.

But still all that aside, The colbwa thing is not there because of his RL actions, and how he acts we may never know. The complaints are from the in game actions, yes controlled by him.
But i still havent had a problem with the guy, and the only time i ever encountered him was in sandy when some jerks were shouting racial comments....and colbwa, yes colbwa stood up against them and made them feel like idiots just before the GMs snatched em and banned em. i thought it was hilarious and kind.
I cant judge him based on someone elses problems in the game, if it was RL it may be different, but its in a game.

"judge not lest ye be judged" i guess dont apply here, cause i didnt judge yet im getting judged.

I know me sayin i wont judge him based on someone elses story sounds alot like
"Just because no one else saw michigan J. Frog sing doesnt mean he didnt"
but thats just me. thats my RL moral and character i was raised on.
until i have a problem, i wont have a problem with colbwa or anyone else.

yes i did have a problem with roofie as many did, I met him twice and he was an ass to me. I can say i didnt like him at all.

pannda, i get that totally, there were a few people whom when joined the LS im in, Didnt like me right away cause they didnt get my jokes or my sarchasym and thought themselves that i was an ass. one of them even quit the game and months later just recently came back and expressed that.
But everyone gets to know me and its all cool.
If i think a joke got taken overboard or someone gets mad, i stop and let them know it was a joke and what was going on tho....i dont let it drag out.
 
Excim said:
I gotta go with the crowd on this one. There is some truth in the way a person plays as to how they are in RL. It might not be apparent right away, but generally, in a few conversations people peel away the character and start using their "real voice." Are you silly for trying to trust the same person who has ditched on you two or three times previously? Yeah, I'd imagine so. I'm sure it goes a bit deeper than that... but meh.

But I stand firm in my opinion in which just because a person has wronged you, that enables you to call anyone else who shows any kind of warmness to said person who wronged you an "idiot". Is it wrong to warn somebody about them? Hell no. But leave it up to our discretion as to whether or not we want to be around him, for personal gain, or whatever.

There is a real person that plays as Colbwa. It's mearly an alias he hides behind. Same as Roofie. Same as Batchporu. Same as any of the rest of us morons playing this MMORPG.

Falsey, I really think you're a douche. I've tried to warm up to you. I asked you not to quit when you announced it the first time here on qcdn. I got blown off. "Who are you?" You said. I saw you a few times after that, and you gave me silly emotes, shaking your head at me. :roll: Damn dude, that was kinda cold. Then when we went to help Genevine and Apoc with thier G-1, you seemed very pissy and demanding. "Stop it! Let me solo it!"

But wait, I've got a point to make here. These were my interactions with you. No one elses. I let everyone else make their decisions about you. If someone in my LS said "Hey, Falseprophet joined my party..." I wouldn't tell them to disband just because you're an ass to me. After all, I'm sure in your mind I deserved it, or you didn't even realize you were being an ass, or maybe you did and just didn't feel like being nice those days. Meh, whatever. And again, who am I to tell anyone else they are an "idiot" because they are helping you (and themselves) just because I don't like you. Would I warn them that you were an ass to me? Yeah, I would. "He can be an ass sometimes, be warned." Then I let them decide what they want to do. If they party with you, who knows? Could be the best party they ever had. If not... meh, just another person you've pissed off. (Using it as an example, follow me here...)


But I really draw the line at comparing Colbwa to Stalin and Hitler, or any murderer that takes the life of a living thing for that matter. If a comparison is to be made, Colbwa is like that kid who sat behind you in Algebra class flicking you in the ear with a pencil. He gets off on pissing you off and getting the best of you. Look, Colbwa sucks, and losing some XP to one of his MPK's or wasting some of you're free time due to his insolence can certainly be very frustrating. It constitutes a flame, absolutley. Warn others about him. Shout it aloud in Jeuno for all to hear. But judging someone else and calling them a general "idiot" just because they do something that you may not approve of for any reason (barring something illegal) then you're just as much of an idiot.

And in the ever so condescending words of an asshat... I flame you Falseprophet. Dick.
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Thats funny. 1st time we met was when we were both camping an NM. The gob for my earring, which neither of us got claim. If you expect me to be "nice and warm" to you during NM camping, you are mistaken. Shit try to even send Vang a /tell when he is camping, he will break you in half.

After we lost claim, you guys got aggro from something, because most of your party was too low level. So we took a gob offa you, and I /bow to you, and Talinda Teleport-Altep us. Later on when we met again I said "hey sorry about before and not talking, I was busy camping". I dont remember the G1 too well, but it was supposed to be fun, as it was overkill. And I said let me solo it because we had multiple links, and I didnt want anyone to die, so I took the earth elemental offa you guys, and honestly, it was probably DC++ or T++ to you, so what could you possibly do to an elemetal? :roll: I was willing to take one for the team, thus you saw, and maybe you didnt but it happened.... I cast Dia and ran away from you guys, so if it cast GA spells, YOU would be safe....

Relax Excim and breathe, and then find out how many people dont like me before you shoot your mouth. Find out the countless people I've helped do coffer keys, or plvl in the dunes just to get them thrugh the hell, before you shoot your mouth kid, find all that out.

Also, I called Chasym an idiot, not you, my post came after his, thus I thought he would understand. I am not saying colbwa is as bad as hitler/stalin, I am saying just becuase those 2 people didnt effect your life in the slightest, DOES NOT make them less evil. Oh guess what bud ... I am a Jew from Eastern Europe .... guess what 2 men effected how I was brought up, and how I lived??? GUESS! :roll: Colbwa is evil, and if you, or anyone dont get that, than I'm sorry for you.

Get over yourself man, I never had a problem with you, I didnt even know you that well, but honestly, and not to sound like a dick, if I made the time to make friends with every person from QCDN, I would not be able to play the game at all. You cant expect me to talk to you when I camp NMs. I tried to take one for the team during G1, but no, I'm seen as selfish. :roll: (that btw was my real last day playing, so thanks for making that memorable now by ruining what i thought was a fun time!) You want to flame me, bring it, but you are wrong, and you are wrong for thinking that Colbwa is anything less than a hitler or a stalin. You think if it came between him and you living, he would perfect dodge and flee on your ass so fast .... when others, try to take one for the team. As I said before, enjoy your game, with the colbwas and the elitemages, enjoy it the extreem. :lol:
 
Chasym said:
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Auction house Undercutters-
I despise you so.
Ok so the item you buy to attempt to HQ when you craft it...doesnt HQ, and you need to sell the NQ...thats fine. but just because its not an HQ and u dont care about it doesnt mean you gotta under cut it to sell it.
Point in case "Chuhuha" or whatever your name is undercutting nomads mantles.
I would lose 10-20k tops if i didnt HQ....but because of your undercutting im losing 30-40k. Travellers mantles are 70-80k ....Nomads mantles WERE 60k....and dropped into the 40k's cause of this asshole undercutting every one he makes.
Dont be impatient to sell something, your ruining the economy and id rater not have you in it if thats the case...
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I agree with your entire post minus the part in quotes.

I just wrote about this today in the following thread:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=52&mid=11178229978523246&num=3
Copied and pasted my thoughts below so you don't have to travel to that
link.



Personally, I love the undercutters. These are the people
who are moving our economy back into normality. Remember
when the traveler's mantle that you mentioned was only about
30k? Well, inflation from (insert whatever reason here) has
driven that item up at least 3 fold in cost. Last I looked
it was 90k but who knows anymore.

Undercutters, I love ya. Keep up the good work and help
bring our economy back down to normal.

...and I do feel that to be true. Now you are going to probably respond
with "But the costs... profit margin razor thin... net loss..." And I'd agree
with you. I'd be preaching to the choir if I mentioned anything reguarding
cost of the synthing items.

But keep in mind those items are also inflated and need to be undercut
severely to get back to normal. I really don't have a solution to our
server's economic crisis but undercutting can't (just can't) hurt it.

I guess it depends on which side you happen to be on for each occurance.
Are you on the victim or victor side of the transaction. Even if you are the
victim, it sucks, but the long run is hopefully a price stabilization or a
trend in price drops.
 
Traveler's Mantle was no more than 10k when I started the game... and even then I saw sales for it as low as 5k.. Astral Rings were once 30k per ring... a lot of shit happened that inflated shit to beyond what it should be... Jujitsu Gi used to be as low as 50k.. Ochidus kote were 200k. Fuma Kyahan were 100k. Emperor Hairpin was 200kish (at most). Leaping Boots 100k. Utsesumi: Ichi 100k Ni 150k. Kraken Club was once 400k for fucks sake >< but that's how things are.. things inflate due to greed and whatnot.. oh well.
 
Chasym, you have to realize that we have no problem with your tolerance toward people like Colbwa, it shows that you're a nice person who I'd like to be friend with. The reason me and others jumped on you was because you were flaming us for not sharing the same attitude you have.

Chasym said:
now what i hate is this.
"i dont want that person in my party cause i read on the flame board about them"
Judge not on others expieriences and flames.
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Well, that's not exactly a flame, but you implied that we're in the wrong to act like that. For that, I disagree. So no need to get all defensive about the matter, its an argument about how to deal with people in-game, not about judging each other's character.
 
well as i said, the person in that situation felt bad once they left for making a decision based on others. I never said it, Hes the one who came out and said it. I can see if it was someone who had known and seen the problem with that person before. I wouldnt mind.
but as sexcim said. Its a little junior highish to be on the boat.

But as far as this topic goes, Its kinda gettin redundant lol. Ill just leave it at this. We have all stated our views here and its an opinionized war.
We each know where different people stand, and theres no movin mountains here, or should there be an attempt to.
i appreciate everyone who maturley spoke their views did so maturley. for those who did.


Yes i do remember when travellers mantles were worth that much back when, I remember back when i thought that was alot. But i dont think nomads mantles existed that far back did they? When a better item can be crafted from it, thats gonna cause it to be worth more....Now i highly dont think it should be worth what its at now, i could see maybe 50k....since the +1 of the crafted item is worth 1 mil, im surprised the price hasnt inflated over 150k already. And pray it does not. since its kinda like a cheap way of makin an amemit mantle, just less losses/.
 
Falsey said:
Thats funny. 1st time we met was when we were both camping an NM. The gob for my earring, which neither of us got claim. If you expect me to be "nice and warm" to you during NM camping, you are mistaken. Shit try to even send Vang a /tell when he is camping, he will break you in half.
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You're completely right here. Looking back, it shouldn't be an expectation of mine to have a reciprocating conversation with someone while camping a notorious monster. Phraust and I talked for a bit about some ancient currency, and I remember all you did was that emote. (I realize it's an emote in a game, but it's generally meant to convey a certain meaning, and I didn't quite know what he meant by it.) I kinda stepped back and was like... damn, thats kinda cold.

Falseprophet said:
After we lost claim, you guys got aggro from something, because most of your party was too low level. So we took a gob offa you, and I /bow to you, and Talinda Teleport-Altep us.
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I must have missed the bow. Yeah, my friends did get aggro :lol: Yeah, I do remember someone helping witha link (or three :shock: ) but unfortunatley for me, I made an example out of an event that I can't remember too well. Yep, I'll take the hit for that one. :x

Falseprophet said:
Later on when we met again I said "hey sorry about before and not talking, I was busy camping". I dont remember the G1 too well, but it was supposed to be fun, as it was overkill. And I said let me solo it because we had multiple links, and I didnt want anyone to die, so I took the earth elemental offa you guys, and honestly, it was probably DC++ or T++ to you, so what could you possibly do to an elemetal? :roll: I was willing to take one for the team, thus you saw, and maybe you didnt but it happened.... I cast Dia and ran away from you guys, so if it cast GA spells, YOU would be safe....
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If this was your true intention, thanks. I don't recall you apologizing for not saying anything at that earring camp, but meh, you've got the benefit of the doubt from me. I do think that earth elemental conned TW to me and my RDM friend. But thats neither here nor there.

Falseprophet said:
Relax Excim and breathe, and then find out how many people dont like me before you shoot your mouth. Find out the countless people I've helped do coffer keys, or plvl in the dunes just to get them thrugh the hell, before you shoot your mouth kid, find all that out.
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How popular you are with others will never sway my personal opinions of you, no matter how popular they are. And, not to sound like a dick, but even Colbwa, Roofie, and maybe even Batcheporu had friends. I'm getting to my point here.... stay with me please....

Falseprophet said:
]Also, I called Chasym an idiot, not you, my post came after his, thus I thought he would understand.
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I realize this completely. I read this, and my reaction was "who the hell do you think you are?" First of all, you quit. You no longer reside within the walls of FFXI. You choose to stay a part of the community, and thats cool. There are a ton of people that would miss you, I'm sure. But that doesn't give you a right to come around flaming someone for doing something that you disapprove of in game. Again, let someone still relevant make that flame. Like WSM.

I'm gonna say this, and I mean it too... If someone MPK'ing you in FFXI, causing you to downlevel and wasting several hours of your playtime makes you so angry that you think about it still even after you've quit the game... you've let it become too large of a part of your life. Is it annoying... hell yeah! But don't go spouting off calling someone else an idiot because they are doing something that you disapprove of in a world in which you no longer choose to take part in.

Falseprophet said:
I am not saying colbwa is as bad as hitler/stalin, I am saying just becuase those 2 people didnt effect your life in the slightest, DOES NOT make them less evil. Oh guess what bud ... I am a Jew from Eastern Europe .... guess what 2 men effected how I was brought up, and how I lived??? GUESS! :roll: Colbwa is evil, and if you, or anyone dont get that, than I'm sorry for you.
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I am not a jew. My adoptive parents are Osypiewskis. My fathers grandparents were from the Ukraine, but immigrated here right as WWII began. I do know history, I do know all too well the atrocities that those men commited. I do not, however, find a link between the twisted murderous minds of Stalin and of Hitler, to that of the tremendously harmless mind behind Colbwa. Do you suspect Colbwa to be a murderer? Do you think if you met in person, he would try to kill you for being Jewish? Do you think that all people who do not believe what he believes in he would murder, should they ever meet in real life?

I do respect you Falsey. You've made quite a few friends, and for good reason I imagine. But this argument is weak, as weak as it is irrelevant. I just thought that I would address it.

Falseprophet said:
Get over yourself man, I never had a problem with you, I didnt even know you that well, but honestly, and not to sound like a dick, if I made the time to make friends with every person from QCDN, I would not be able to play the game at all. You cant expect me to talk to you when I camp NMs. I tried to take one for the team during G1, but no, I'm seen as selfish. :roll: (that btw was my real last day playing, so thanks for making that memorable now by ruining what i thought was a fun time!)
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I was making an example. It's in the text. I should have made it clearer. I was trying to state that simply because of those events made to be an example that it is wrong for making people hate you or calling those who do like you an idiot. Ok?



Falseprophet said:
You want to flame me, bring it, but you are wrong, and you are wrong for thinking that Colbwa is anything less than a hitler or a stalin. You think if it came between him and you living, he would perfect dodge and flee on your ass so fast
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Again, as a Jewish man from Europe, I would figure that you would realize the extreme violence committed by the two men therefore mentioned connected to... ... ...COLBWA?!?!... ... that you are really downplaying the severity of these two men's existance. I mean... c'mon man! Wake up! You walk away from you computer ALIVE and UNSCATHED everytime you log off. I'm not saying he's not annoying... hell, I personally dislike the little turd. But he's no Hitler. He's no Josef Stalin. Give me a break!


And Pannda, thank you for posting. I know that Falsey has been awesome to quite a few of you. He deserves posts like that backing his character (real life character, like who you are, not ingame :P) up. But again, I tried to turn Falsey into an example so he might see my point.

The only thing I'm flaming Falsey on his quick judgement on an issue he isn't really relevant on anymore, calling the person an idiot. And comparing the likes of Colbwa to Stain or Hitler. :?
 
Awww. Why do all my friends have to fight? :(

I loved Falseprophet since the day I partied with him. Hell, even now I still /sea all false hoping he's on. :P

Chasym, your thread has turned in to one like mine. You flame about something then people turn on you. -.-

Now getcha arse back on the game. I dun wanna be stuck with Excim all day by myself. :P jk ;)
 
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