I'm sorry to say crafters...

meeze said:
i'm a galka drk 63 with reg snipes, reg hauby, everything else is the best of its kind, and i out tp'd a thf mnk and war yesterday and today in pt's. so +1's are not a necessity, but when i get mine i'm gonna be so
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it really is a status symbol, even thought the +4 acc is great from having 2, at the price they go for its pretty dumb to think they are worth what they are.
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I agree with that. Your getting 10 acc for 1 mil with reg Snipers. Now you will get +4 extra if you pay extra 6 mil(not sure of the exact prices of snipers+1). Uh...if you have the money(mainly people with another high lvl job or craft and stuff), then go for it. But if you don't I really dont think its worth farming for it or any of that crap. If you get reg hauby, snipers, and all that, you'll still do awesome in pts.
 
Life belt is 50k and gives as much acc as 2 sniper rings. SH or Haubergeon can give that kinda extra acc for less money than 1 sniper+1 (we're talking way more than an extra +2).

BTW, if you wanna get into the topic of greed.

Look at all the NM drops that are specifically non-crafted. The campers have no risk in losing materials or anything... so I guess they feel just cause the last price was 1mil, to jack it to 2mil, and then 3mil, and so on till a shitty easy to obtain item is worth as much as something like say a PCC. Why does the price -have- to go up? Well it doesn't, but people know they can get more for it...so they let greed get to 'em and hike the price up even more. That is one thing I will never do, is hike a price for no apparent reason. I could easily say OH GEE I CAN GET 4mil FOR A SNIPER+1 HAR HAR LETS DO IT CAUSE I WANTZ MORE MONEIEZ...

But no, as you can see I've at least been the main stabling factor in the sniper+1 prices. I guarantee you my rivals would have attempted to jack the price many times already. Same goes for NM drops... even within my own LS we get the usual "lets put it up for another 2mil over the last price!!! </greedgreed>"...I swear by it if I camp an HNM drops are gonna fuckin be sold at the last AH price, no higher. Am I still an asshole?
 
nope, nv rthought u were svina, thats vety comremaable, i hat those jerks who make kotes 1mil at times, emp pin 1mil and lizzy boots 500k

FUCK YOU DAMN GREEDY FUCKFACES!


*i hate it, i want lizzy boots to be 200k agian or so and the pin 300-400k agian!!!!!!!*
 
Svina said:
Life belt is 50k and gives as much acc as 2 sniper rings. SH or Haubergeon can give that kinda extra acc for less money than 1 sniper+1 (we're talking way more than an extra +2).
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>.> Life Belt is a must have and its easy to get. Anyone who plays a melee class that needs accuracy already has one. I've had mine since before I could wear it. +10 accuracy by itself does help, but sadly it isn't all that noticable. Once you've got +20 or more accuracy then it really shows.

With my current gear I have +22 accuracy, I hit fairly well but still miss sometimes, and can miss repedatively(sp?) sometimes too, which is quite fustrating when your trying to keep up with a Sam, and sometimes a Thf/Nin for a SC. Currently I have everything that could possibly help me at my level, accept a second sniper's ring (which ofcourse, im working on getting). I've already had my Vassago's Scythe waiting since I was 54, that'll add another +4 acc (i think) when equipt. And then at 59 ive gotta get the dreaded hauby, ideal for melee who can wear it, simply a must have.. and apparently raised 1 mil from what it used to cost.

Bleh.. but I'll work my ass off to get it. The only good news is after all that ill be set for eq for 10 levels in every slot except for weapons. Here's hoping it doesn't take too long. -.-;
 
I got an Emp HP for 650k...it went up to 700....then dropped to 600k..and I think it's falling... ><;;

I had a Life Belt once, on my whm....fight an EP (not high/low anything...just EP). Equipped Life Belt...was still EP. So 10acc doesn't even change it from "normal eva" to "low eva". x_o

I'm sure it's pretty useful but it probably completely falters to say, Sole Sushi, which increases accuracy by a decent percentage rather than a number we all assume is good..
Not to say it ISN'T good, but I view it more as a "better than nothing and every bit matters" as opposed to "great".

So yeh, may wanna just ignore this... XD
 
You guys need to get off of the car references, it's just a poor example. Crafters don't FIX anything, they CREATE! It'd be more like taking your film to get developed. Now say as your film goes through the machine, the damn thing starts shitting out gold. Do you think that the photo mat is going to give you the gold? HELL NO! They are going to reprint your pictures and keep the gold themselves.
 
Svina said:
Look at all the NM drops that are specifically non-crafted. The campers have no risk in losing materials or anything... so I guess they feel just cause the last price was 1mil, to jack it to 2mil, and then 3mil, and so on till a shitty easy to obtain item is worth as much as something like say a PCC. Why does the price -have- to go up? Well it doesn't, but people know they can get more for it...so they let greed get to 'em and hike the price up even more. That is one thing I will never do, is hike a price for no apparent reason. I could easily say OH GEE I CAN GET 4mil FOR A SNIPER+1 HAR HAR LETS DO IT CAUSE I WANTZ MORE MONEIEZ...
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It's not just NM drops, it's simple crafting materials too.. Things newbies can get if they wanted to. I saw Beeswax for 18k the otherday. I was thinking about farming a fuckton of chips and put 7 stacks up for 10k, the way it was.
 
Svina said:
We made a contract, and you'll follow through with it.
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. . .someone else would be happy to watch their HQ pissed away into your hands.
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Um how is it your HQ when we provide the material for your manthran ass? everything your useing to make the synth belongs to us except your craft skill. So your going to make the argument ( Skill > Recources and People) If you gank people like this in real life, you should be shot. I wonder what will happen when we peons stop providing ass hats such as yourself with materials on the AH, then your skill is worthless!

Your problem is you only see yourself and the green monster that hides up your ass (greed). If you actually stopped to think how your actions affect other peiople you would see you are sorely mistaken!
 
Yoshindor, how the hell do you think he leveled that craft skill to 100??? You think he just got up one day and his leathercraft was magically 100?

OMG, you people honestly drive me NUTS sometimes!!!! If you think you can do better than spend the gil yourself and level it!!!! Then you have a bitch.

It's cases like this where I can tell the majority of you are just kids, or young adults where Mommy and Daddy are paying your way thru College etc. UGHHHH!!!!
 
Yoshindor said:
Kat said:
Btw, 17% of 3.5mil is 595,000. Y'all are bitchin' about 500k and you're not even giving a 17% gratuity. Shame on you!!!!! :shock:
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No the problem is outright greed! 2 million gratuity on a 3.5 million item!
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Wtf? You not only need some more English courses Yosh, but Math ones also.
 
Kat said:
I'm gonna break this down in RL terms for y'all:

You have a car. It breaks down. So you have to take it to the shop to get fixed. You need to pay for parts AND LABOR to get your car back fixed. If they do a really kick ass job, you're car runs better than before you even brought it in (ie. an HQ). I don't know about you guys, but I do tip my mechanic.

Now, lets take a snipers ring. You bring the parts to the crafter. The crafter with the skill to synth this for you is able to HQ it. Now, if there was no hq then you're not charged for labor if I'm reading this right. But, if there is an HQ involved then the crafter wants extra for doin' a better job. I don't blame them. Think of it as a 17% gratuity like what you'd pay your waitress at a restaurant. Don't think of it as the crafter trying to screw you. Think of it showing appreciation to your crafter.

Food for thought.
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I don't know about you but when I tip I don't tip 50% and upwards of the fee's you've already just payed. Ontop of that the mechanic gets payed to do his job no matter what, so that example is a bit off. Asking 500 K to sinth a sniper ring is a tad much considering it's alomst 100 % of the item price. Also if we break this down even farther Sivana claims to have lost 25 million on his craft. If we do some simple math, we find that Sivana is chargning us almost 5 % of his claimed crafting loss for a simple sniper synth, when he doesn't even have any fucking risk involved! Break it down even further his atrotious HQ fee of 2 million.. he is charging us almost 12 and half % of his crafting loss in 1 synth, in which he had nothing at risk! Sorry but thats just wrong, if he was trying to run a real buisness he would fold in no time!
It seems only a few crafters grasp the importance of customer relations, you have to give to get! And sticking your nose up in the air and yelling if you don't like it go somewhere else, is not a good welcome.
 
I wonder what will happen when we peons stop providing ass hats such as yourself with materials on the AH, then your skill is worthless!
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Um... simple. No more sniper rings? Everyone just have to live with archer rings? *shrug* They aint gonna turn into snipers yourself.
 
And yeah... Simple Mathematics 101 (Do you need it?) orz
 
Yoshindor said:
Kat said:
I'm gonna break this down in RL terms for y'all:

You have a car. It breaks down. So you have to take it to the shop to get fixed. You need to pay for parts AND LABOR to get your car back fixed. If they do a really kick ass job, you're car runs better than before you even brought it in (ie. an HQ). I don't know about you guys, but I do tip my mechanic.

Now, lets take a snipers ring. You bring the parts to the crafter. The crafter with the skill to synth this for you is able to HQ it. Now, if there was no hq then you're not charged for labor if I'm reading this right. But, if there is an HQ involved then the crafter wants extra for doin' a better job. I don't blame them. Think of it as a 17% gratuity like what you'd pay your waitress at a restaurant. Don't think of it as the crafter trying to screw you. Think of it showing appreciation to your crafter.

Food for thought.
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I don't know about you but when I tip I don't tip 50% and upwards of the fee's you've already just payed. Ontop of that the mechanic gets payed to do his job no matter what, so that example is a bit off. Asking 500 K to sinth a sniper ring is a tad much considering it's alomst 100 % of the item price. Also if we break this down even farther Sivana claims to have lost 25 million on his craft. If we do some simple math, we find that Sivana is chargning us almost 5 % of his claimed crafting loss for a simple sniper synth, when he doesn't even have any fucking risk involved! Break it down even further his atrotious HQ fee of 2 million.. he is charging us almost 12 and half % of his crafting loss in 1 synth, in which he had nothing at risk! Sorry but thats just wrong, if he was trying to run a real buisness he would fold in no time!
It seems only a few crafters grasp the importance of customer relations, you have to give to get! And sticking your nose up in the air and yelling if you don't like it go somewhere else, is not a good welcome.
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You got it right there. You said it, not me.
 
Kat said:
Yoshindor, how the hell do you think he leveled that craft skill to 100??? You think he just got up one day and his leathercraft was magically 100?

OMG, you people honestly drive me NUTS sometimes!!!! If you think you can do better than spend the gil yourself and level it!!!! Then you have a bitch.

It's cases like this where I can tell the majority of you are just kids, or young adults where Mommy and Daddy are paying your way thru College etc. UGHHHH!!!!
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If you would have read back you would have noticed my first post was mentioning that I have all crafts except fishing and cooking to lvl 60 and I plan on pushing goldsmithing to 100. So this is not bitching at all, I feel I can speak for both sides because I have been in both places.
As for thos belogna about crafting skill, I have a regular group of customers who buy arrows shurikens and ninjitsu from me. They tip me, and sometimes they outright buy it from me depends on if they are in a hurry. But I don't charge them 10 K to make HQ a stack of shuriken..
 
OMG, how can you even think to compare a lvl 60 craft to a lvl 100 craft firstly???? Secondly, how can you think to compare Shuriken to a Snipers +1?????
 
Was gonna make a thread about this, but seeing its already been covered in a lot of detail here I'll just add my opinion as a crafter.

Over the last month, every single day, I have been doing nothing but crafting. During that time I have been bankrupt 8 times, lost countless items to failed synths and had to put up with absolutely terrible GP items that have a 10 gil to 1 GP ratio. Yet somehow at the end of it I was able to get 97.1 woodworking, 101k GP and alchemy, bonecraft and smithing above 50.

Now I am at the level to HQ elemental staffs. I ask other high level 90+ crafters how they go about things. They tell me, they take peoples ingredients, if they fail, not their problem, if normal synth free, if HQ 50% of profit. Difference for goldsmithers is they charge for items that simply can't be HQ'd but synths are worth a lot anyways. I've had maybe 3 elemental ores failed synth and lost the ores. If I hadn't paid the 10-20k each synth, there would of been no way I would of got my gil back. Its like an insurance policy for the goldsmither and the person that needs the beads. Anyways, say light bead cost 200k to make and apollo staff is 1.2 mil. Thats a very clear 1 mil profit. 50% commission very obviously 500k. Overall though it would be like you are giving the person 500k. Over last couple of weeks I've been really annoyed with people who expect free service because they are "friend". Referring to maybe the odd time we chat about something, or maybe exp'd together a couple of times as friendship. Friendship can't be demanded for a start but there has to be protection. Why would anyone just give away 500k? Speaking as if 90+ skill doesn't mean anything. As a crafter I did it to make myself rich, not anyone else. Like many have said if its so easy to do then just level the craft yourself.

My solution is simply, just buy whatever you need full price from AH, the crafters get their gil, you spent gil you earnt, no gil lost to gambling on HQ synth, return it when you don't need it no more, get all your gil back everyones happy. With all the inflation lately, prices are only gonna go up, so paying the 10k for transaction fees is nothing when you can gain 100k's on the original price over time.

Some "friends" have gone as far as to call me a "gil grabbing cock sucker" just because I wanted to charge 50% commission on my own work. "its only a crystal and 1 min of your time", well I could just HQ your ingredient, go to AH buy you your ingredients back, and sell for all the profit. As a crafter, I will try and do people favours, but why should I lose out as a result? Trying to call a crafter greedy or anything close to that just makes you a hypercrit (not aimed at anyone specifically). /rant over

~ Mithrie
 
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