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I saw this last night, i loved it! I have been searching for something amazing since i saw INK, and it has been driving me nuts that i cannot seem to find anything that comes close to that movie. Its like i found the best movie i have ever seen and want to see something better but cant. Inception did not take INK's place on my list, but it certainly came damn close and i left satisfied.

I saw so many people confused after it ended, talking amongst each other trying to figure it all out, so i felt great not being confused about this movie one bit. Understood every bit of it and loved it!
Certainly the best movie this summer!

anyone else catch this yet?
 
Not yet but I'm in the midst of arranging to go see it with friends. Really can't wait to see this one!
 
Yeah, I saw it, and agree that it was awesome. IDK what movie you're referring to w/ "INK" though :O

Also wasn't confused, althrough ...
Spoiler:
It took me a while to figure out what was and wasn't real in the movie
 
I'm still undecided about the ending....
Spoiler:
Was he still dreaming or not? The top wobbled but.....yea....
 
Don't feel like retyping everything so I'm just gonna copy myself from another forum. I went to see it a 2nd time to figure out the ending for myself and...


Spoiler:
I spent the whole movie looking for signs of whether the real world was the real world or not. I'm pretty convinced it was. I was looking very closely at the top at the end and I was very close to the front. It was definitely starting to spin irregularly and it probably would've started to fall soon.

Someone mentioned the Engineering goons could've been security in someone's mind, which I don't think they were. The people in the perceived real world always interacted differently than in the dreams that we saw. The people chasing Cobb at one point talked to him, which the dream guards never did. They also didn't continually rush him, they lay in wait and only jumped on him when he tried to run away. This is something the dream guards didn't do. They attacked continuously.

Sure, Cobb missed the kicks. But we know from his first time in limbo that you can get out by killing yourself. And the flight was near the end when they woke up so they just had to let the sedation wear off.

As for the kids, in the dreams he could never see their faces. Sure they were dressed the same way and looked to be the same age, but I believe that was just something there to allow the ending to be left a little more open. After all we never did find out how long Cobb had been gone for.

I had some more points I thought of during the movie, but now I forget them. The ending is obviously designed to leave it open both ways. But thats how you get people to go see the movie again and create a buzz so more people go see it. Feel free to disagree, but I'm satisfied with my happy ending.
 
Loved this movie. The soundtrack is also extremely great.
 
Here's my understanding of all that:

Spoiler:
My friend said the top actually fell down at one point in the beginning of the movie, so he wasn't dreaming the whole time. I believe the end was a dream, even if the spinning thing was getting slightly wobbley. I think the way he got there is that right before he "wakes up" it looks like Saito is going to shoot him. But it was said that when you're shot, you go into that dream limbo thing. I think being shot in the dream limbo thing just sent him further down, into another dream with a different theme from the others.
 
@ Shomeghuye


Spoiler:
Getting shot while sedated could send one to limbo, but to get out of limbo is also done by killing yourself. The problem wasn't so much of doing that, as it was of realizing that you were in limbo and not in real life. That is what they meant by being lost in limbo. Mal and Cobb the first time around spent 50 years in limbo because they felt like it was real, but Cobb finally wanted out and Mal had made herself believe that it was all real. Getting out was as simple as killing yourself.
 
@ Tyrath

You're right, damn it. Now I need to think about it all some more.
 
I saw this last night. Amazing movie. I don't see how anyone is confused. If they were then they're dumb. You're left wondering on purpose. It was a great movie. Easily one of my favorites now.

Don't feel like retyping everything so I'm just gonna copy myself from another forum. I went to see it a 2nd time to figure out the ending for myself and...


Spoiler:
I spent the whole movie looking for signs of whether the real world was the real world or not. I'm pretty convinced it was. I was looking very closely at the top at the end and I was very close to the front. It was definitely starting to spin irregularly and it probably would've started to fall soon.

Someone mentioned the Engineering goons could've been security in someone's mind, which I don't think they were. The people in the perceived real world always interacted differently than in the dreams that we saw. The people chasing Cobb at one point talked to him, which the dream guards never did. They also didn't continually rush him, they lay in wait and only jumped on him when he tried to run away. This is something the dream guards didn't do. They attacked continuously.

Sure, Cobb missed the kicks. But we know from his first time in limbo that you can get out by killing yourself. And the flight was near the end when they woke up so they just had to let the sedation wear off.

As for the kids, in the dreams he could never see their faces. Sure they were dressed the same way and looked to be the same age, but I believe that was just something there to allow the ending to be left a little more open. After all we never did find out how long Cobb had been gone for.

I had some more points I thought of during the movie, but now I forget them. The ending is obviously designed to leave it open both ways. But thats how you get people to go see the movie again and create a buzz so more people go see it. Feel free to disagree, but I'm satisfied with my happy ending.

Spoiler:
The top was going to fall, imo. The Earth kind of proves this that in reality that if something is spinning on an axis it's going to wobble. If we think back to when he spun the top in Mal's childhood home it kept going as that was part of the inception and it appeared to not wobble.
 
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One thing they pointed out a few times in the movie was that when a person dreams they never remember how they got there. In the ending scene they showed step by step how Leo got to his kids. Getting checked in to the US, meeting with Michael Cain, walking into his house. That tells me Leo knows how he got there which means that it wasn't a dream. Just a guess though.
 
And heres what I consider conclusive proof to support my theory. This isnt written by me.

Spoiler:
It is NOT a dream: The WEDDING RING gives it away.

I have now seen this movie three times. The first time I saw it I thought it was not a dream and he was home. When I saw discussions to the contrary, I saw it again looking for any clues to tell whether he is dreaming the whole time, and questioned the ending thoroughly. It was not until I saw a post about someone saying he is only wearing a wedding ring when he dreams. Multiple people shot it down saying that they saw him wearing it in reality or that he was not wearing it in this dream or that one. My third viewing had me looking for the ring in almost every shot, seeing if his totem ever falls in a dream (Something someone said happened), looking at his children's faces to see if they are the same, etc.

My analysis as follows:

The Wedding Ring:

We start the movie with Cobb in limbo with Saito, he is wearing a ring. Step back to the beginning, he is trying to convince Saito to let him into his mind to help protect it, this takes place in a dream two layers down. He is wearing a wedding ring. Things go south and we wake up in the apartment, where we think an angry mob is really coming down the street. They threaten Saito's life with him thinking it is reality, only for him to discover otherwise. In this entire scene Cobb is wearing a wedding ring. Wake up on the train, NO WEDDING RING. In the hotel suite on the phone with his kids, NO WEDDING RING. On the roof talking to Saito, NO WEDDING RING. France, the architecture university, NO WEDDING RING. The coffee shop in Ariadne's first shared dream, Cobb is wearing his wedding ring, she freaks out. They wake up in the workshop, NO WEDDING RING. They go back under and Ariadne explores the physics of the dreamworld, again Cobb is wearing a wedding ring.

Cobb goes to see Eames, the entire time not wearing a ring. He meets the new chemist, still no ring. The chemist gives him a quick taste of his latest potion, in that scene we get a quick glimpse of his hand with a WEDDING RING. Wakes up, no ring. See the pattern?

So finally, the inception. We are on the plane, we clearly see is not wearing a ring. Level 1, WEDDING RING, Level 2, WEDDING RING, Level 3 WEDDING RING, Limbo he is wearing his WEDDING RING.

After he meets Saito as an old man, the conversation continues past what we saw in the beginning, yet even here he is wearing a WEDDING RING still. Then, when Saito reaches for the gun, we are on an airplane. He is not wearing a wedding ring here.

HERE IS THE KEY. As he is walking through the terminal, no ring, as he is greeted by father in law, no ring, when he gets home and spins his totem, no ring.

In his dreams he is married to Mul still, as she can still exist there. In reality, he knows she is dead and does not wear a wedding ring as he is no longer married. A simple yet easily unnoticed way to test which parts are reality.

Not done there, I investigated another thing, Cobb's totem:

I have seen many posts of people saying his totem falls when he is in others' dreams. This is simply not true. People say it wobbles and falls over in the beginning. I watched and listened closely, Saito spins the top and we hear it spinning as the scene cuts to the young Saito. Then, in the end when we see him old again, he looks down and it is still spinning, he knows he is not in reality and goes for the gun.

When Cobb uses inception on Mul, it continues and never stops. In the hotel after the failed Saito mission, it falls. A funny thing to note is that every scene in which the top spins endlessly he is wearing a WEDDING RING. In the scenes in which it topples, he is not.

Now, the awakening scene. Looks an awful lot like a dream right? Not really. He wakes up on the plane surprised, but everyone is smiling. They woke up from the sedatives, but Cobb and Saito were down in limbo. When they got back, everyone is happy to see he made it, Saito looks just as stunned only backing up the fact that he really snapped back to reality. They are all getting bags, going through customs, etc. Everyone looks at each other with a grin because they know inception worked and that Cobb is finally home. Not very dream-like except that it seems like a dream come true. Had the scene after he and Saito with the gun been him in his home, him on his way to his home, etc, I would think it is a dream. No, he awakens in EXACTLY the place he went to sleep to start inception. You never really know how you get to where you are in a dream do you? Then how does he know he is on a plane and just successfully completed inception on Robert Fischer, the man in front of him?

Finally, the home scene. Looks like a dream? In this case, yes it does. we see the children exactly where they were, doing the same thing, wearing the same clothes. They appear the same age. On my second viewing this was red flag that it was a dream. But on my third viewing I noticed slight differences, such as the kids looking slightly older. The cast list has two sets of kids listed, ones slightly older than the others. They are not voice casts but actual actors in the film. I especially noticed a difference as the camera pans towards the totem, I chose to focus on the back door with the kids. The girl is seen throwing herself on her father, in this scene she looks clearly older than the memory he has of her.

And of course, the totem itself. I watched each spin my third time through. It spun flawlessly for a while, began to wobble slightly, then started a hard wobble then fall. In the final scene it appears to be spinning smoothly for a long time, he probably gave it a lot of power. It starts to slightly wobble, and the screen goes black after it begins a HARD WOBBLE as if it is about to topple, not correct itself.

Conclusion: The movie isn't a dream, Cobb isn't caught in some "limbo that looks a lot like reality." Cobb spends the entire movie trying to get to his kids in reality, why would he settle for shades in a limbo? What proof is there that he is dreaming the whole time? If he is dreaming at the end, where is he dreaming? Limbo? So he goes from talking to Saito to just waking up on a plane, all as a part of a dream in limbo? Really? Think about it.

Nolan would never take the "eeet was aaaaalll a dreeeeaaaammmmm" cliche way out. But the fact that he cut the film before the top falls over does have a meaning. He is planting a seed of doubt in your mind. He uses inception on the audience to have them question the ending. The concept of the movie thus becomes reality to the viewer, a heavy thing to think about and something that hasn't been done before.

But all the evidence points to reality.


If anyone watches the movie again, watch for the item discussed in this. I've already seen it three times so I don't think I will anymore anytime soon.
 
And heres what I consider conclusive proof to support my theory. This isnt written by me.

Spoiler:
It is NOT a dream: The WEDDING RING gives it away.

I have now seen this movie three times. The first time I saw it I thought it was not a dream and he was home. When I saw discussions to the contrary, I saw it again looking for any clues to tell whether he is dreaming the whole time, and questioned the ending thoroughly. It was not until I saw a post about someone saying he is only wearing a wedding ring when he dreams. Multiple people shot it down saying that they saw him wearing it in reality or that he was not wearing it in this dream or that one. My third viewing had me looking for the ring in almost every shot, seeing if his totem ever falls in a dream (Something someone said happened), looking at his children's faces to see if they are the same, etc.

My analysis as follows:

The Wedding Ring:

We start the movie with Cobb in limbo with Saito, he is wearing a ring. Step back to the beginning, he is trying to convince Saito to let him into his mind to help protect it, this takes place in a dream two layers down. He is wearing a wedding ring. Things go south and we wake up in the apartment, where we think an angry mob is really coming down the street. They threaten Saito's life with him thinking it is reality, only for him to discover otherwise. In this entire scene Cobb is wearing a wedding ring. Wake up on the train, NO WEDDING RING. In the hotel suite on the phone with his kids, NO WEDDING RING. On the roof talking to Saito, NO WEDDING RING. France, the architecture university, NO WEDDING RING. The coffee shop in Ariadne's first shared dream, Cobb is wearing his wedding ring, she freaks out. They wake up in the workshop, NO WEDDING RING. They go back under and Ariadne explores the physics of the dreamworld, again Cobb is wearing a wedding ring.

Cobb goes to see Eames, the entire time not wearing a ring. He meets the new chemist, still no ring. The chemist gives him a quick taste of his latest potion, in that scene we get a quick glimpse of his hand with a WEDDING RING. Wakes up, no ring. See the pattern?

So finally, the inception. We are on the plane, we clearly see is not wearing a ring. Level 1, WEDDING RING, Level 2, WEDDING RING, Level 3 WEDDING RING, Limbo he is wearing his WEDDING RING.

After he meets Saito as an old man, the conversation continues past what we saw in the beginning, yet even here he is wearing a WEDDING RING still. Then, when Saito reaches for the gun, we are on an airplane. He is not wearing a wedding ring here.

HERE IS THE KEY. As he is walking through the terminal, no ring, as he is greeted by father in law, no ring, when he gets home and spins his totem, no ring.

In his dreams he is married to Mul still, as she can still exist there. In reality, he knows she is dead and does not wear a wedding ring as he is no longer married. A simple yet easily unnoticed way to test which parts are reality.

Not done there, I investigated another thing, Cobb's totem:

I have seen many posts of people saying his totem falls when he is in others' dreams. This is simply not true. People say it wobbles and falls over in the beginning. I watched and listened closely, Saito spins the top and we hear it spinning as the scene cuts to the young Saito. Then, in the end when we see him old again, he looks down and it is still spinning, he knows he is not in reality and goes for the gun.

When Cobb uses inception on Mul, it continues and never stops. In the hotel after the failed Saito mission, it falls. A funny thing to note is that every scene in which the top spins endlessly he is wearing a WEDDING RING. In the scenes in which it topples, he is not.

Now, the awakening scene. Looks an awful lot like a dream right? Not really. He wakes up on the plane surprised, but everyone is smiling. They woke up from the sedatives, but Cobb and Saito were down in limbo. When they got back, everyone is happy to see he made it, Saito looks just as stunned only backing up the fact that he really snapped back to reality. They are all getting bags, going through customs, etc. Everyone looks at each other with a grin because they know inception worked and that Cobb is finally home. Not very dream-like except that it seems like a dream come true. Had the scene after he and Saito with the gun been him in his home, him on his way to his home, etc, I would think it is a dream. No, he awakens in EXACTLY the place he went to sleep to start inception. You never really know how you get to where you are in a dream do you? Then how does he know he is on a plane and just successfully completed inception on Robert Fischer, the man in front of him?

Finally, the home scene. Looks like a dream? In this case, yes it does. we see the children exactly where they were, doing the same thing, wearing the same clothes. They appear the same age. On my second viewing this was red flag that it was a dream. But on my third viewing I noticed slight differences, such as the kids looking slightly older. The cast list has two sets of kids listed, ones slightly older than the others. They are not voice casts but actual actors in the film. I especially noticed a difference as the camera pans towards the totem, I chose to focus on the back door with the kids. The girl is seen throwing herself on her father, in this scene she looks clearly older than the memory he has of her.

And of course, the totem itself. I watched each spin my third time through. It spun flawlessly for a while, began to wobble slightly, then started a hard wobble then fall. In the final scene it appears to be spinning smoothly for a long time, he probably gave it a lot of power. It starts to slightly wobble, and the screen goes black after it begins a HARD WOBBLE as if it is about to topple, not correct itself.

Conclusion: The movie isn't a dream, Cobb isn't caught in some "limbo that looks a lot like reality." Cobb spends the entire movie trying to get to his kids in reality, why would he settle for shades in a limbo? What proof is there that he is dreaming the whole time? If he is dreaming at the end, where is he dreaming? Limbo? So he goes from talking to Saito to just waking up on a plane, all as a part of a dream in limbo? Really? Think about it.

Nolan would never take the "eeet was aaaaalll a dreeeeaaaammmmm" cliche way out. But the fact that he cut the film before the top falls over does have a meaning. He is planting a seed of doubt in your mind. He uses inception on the audience to have them question the ending. The concept of the movie thus becomes reality to the viewer, a heavy thing to think about and something that hasn't been done before.

But all the evidence points to reality.


If anyone watches the movie again, watch for the item discussed in this. I've already seen it three times so I don't think I will anymore anytime soon.

I applaud whoever wrote that. An excellent dissection of a psychological film.
 
I applaud whoever wrote that. An excellent dissection of a psychological film.

I second that!

I saw this movie the weekend it came out and thought it was brilliant. Definitely one of my all time favorite movies now! I loved the analysis, Ty! Thanks for posting that!
 
One of my favorite movies easily. I enjoyed it so much.
 
I need to see this damn movie already. D: I'm gonna try to see it tomorro-.... well, technically today.
 
One thing they pointed out a few times in the movie was that when a person dreams they never remember how they got there. In the ending scene they showed step by step how Leo got to his kids. Getting checked in to the US, meeting with Michael Cain, walking into his house. That tells me Leo knows how he got there which means that it wasn't a dream. Just a guess though.

it is called a spoiler.... Thanks I haven't seen the movie yet.
 
And heres what I consider conclusive proof to support my theory. This isnt written by me.

Spoiler:
It is NOT a dream: The WEDDING RING gives it away.

I have now seen this movie three times. The first time I saw it I thought it was not a dream and he was home. When I saw discussions to the contrary, I saw it again looking for any clues to tell whether he is dreaming the whole time, and questioned the ending thoroughly. It was not until I saw a post about someone saying he is only wearing a wedding ring when he dreams. Multiple people shot it down saying that they saw him wearing it in reality or that he was not wearing it in this dream or that one. My third viewing had me looking for the ring in almost every shot, seeing if his totem ever falls in a dream (Something someone said happened), looking at his children's faces to see if they are the same, etc.

My analysis as follows:

The Wedding Ring:

We start the movie with Cobb in limbo with Saito, he is wearing a ring. Step back to the beginning, he is trying to convince Saito to let him into his mind to help protect it, this takes place in a dream two layers down. He is wearing a wedding ring. Things go south and we wake up in the apartment, where we think an angry mob is really coming down the street. They threaten Saito's life with him thinking it is reality, only for him to discover otherwise. In this entire scene Cobb is wearing a wedding ring. Wake up on the train, NO WEDDING RING. In the hotel suite on the phone with his kids, NO WEDDING RING. On the roof talking to Saito, NO WEDDING RING. France, the architecture university, NO WEDDING RING. The coffee shop in Ariadne's first shared dream, Cobb is wearing his wedding ring, she freaks out. They wake up in the workshop, NO WEDDING RING. They go back under and Ariadne explores the physics of the dreamworld, again Cobb is wearing a wedding ring.

Cobb goes to see Eames, the entire time not wearing a ring. He meets the new chemist, still no ring. The chemist gives him a quick taste of his latest potion, in that scene we get a quick glimpse of his hand with a WEDDING RING. Wakes up, no ring. See the pattern?

So finally, the inception. We are on the plane, we clearly see is not wearing a ring. Level 1, WEDDING RING, Level 2, WEDDING RING, Level 3 WEDDING RING, Limbo he is wearing his WEDDING RING.

After he meets Saito as an old man, the conversation continues past what we saw in the beginning, yet even here he is wearing a WEDDING RING still. Then, when Saito reaches for the gun, we are on an airplane. He is not wearing a wedding ring here.

HERE IS THE KEY. As he is walking through the terminal, no ring, as he is greeted by father in law, no ring, when he gets home and spins his totem, no ring.

In his dreams he is married to Mul still, as she can still exist there. In reality, he knows she is dead and does not wear a wedding ring as he is no longer married. A simple yet easily unnoticed way to test which parts are reality.

Not done there, I investigated another thing, Cobb's totem:

I have seen many posts of people saying his totem falls when he is in others' dreams. This is simply not true. People say it wobbles and falls over in the beginning. I watched and listened closely, Saito spins the top and we hear it spinning as the scene cuts to the young Saito. Then, in the end when we see him old again, he looks down and it is still spinning, he knows he is not in reality and goes for the gun.

When Cobb uses inception on Mul, it continues and never stops. In the hotel after the failed Saito mission, it falls. A funny thing to note is that every scene in which the top spins endlessly he is wearing a WEDDING RING. In the scenes in which it topples, he is not.

Now, the awakening scene. Looks an awful lot like a dream right? Not really. He wakes up on the plane surprised, but everyone is smiling. They woke up from the sedatives, but Cobb and Saito were down in limbo. When they got back, everyone is happy to see he made it, Saito looks just as stunned only backing up the fact that he really snapped back to reality. They are all getting bags, going through customs, etc. Everyone looks at each other with a grin because they know inception worked and that Cobb is finally home. Not very dream-like except that it seems like a dream come true. Had the scene after he and Saito with the gun been him in his home, him on his way to his home, etc, I would think it is a dream. No, he awakens in EXACTLY the place he went to sleep to start inception. You never really know how you get to where you are in a dream do you? Then how does he know he is on a plane and just successfully completed inception on Robert Fischer, the man in front of him?

Finally, the home scene. Looks like a dream? In this case, yes it does. we see the children exactly where they were, doing the same thing, wearing the same clothes. They appear the same age. On my second viewing this was red flag that it was a dream. But on my third viewing I noticed slight differences, such as the kids looking slightly older. The cast list has two sets of kids listed, ones slightly older than the others. They are not voice casts but actual actors in the film. I especially noticed a difference as the camera pans towards the totem, I chose to focus on the back door with the kids. The girl is seen throwing herself on her father, in this scene she looks clearly older than the memory he has of her.

And of course, the totem itself. I watched each spin my third time through. It spun flawlessly for a while, began to wobble slightly, then started a hard wobble then fall. In the final scene it appears to be spinning smoothly for a long time, he probably gave it a lot of power. It starts to slightly wobble, and the screen goes black after it begins a HARD WOBBLE as if it is about to topple, not correct itself.

Conclusion: The movie isn't a dream, Cobb isn't caught in some "limbo that looks a lot like reality." Cobb spends the entire movie trying to get to his kids in reality, why would he settle for shades in a limbo? What proof is there that he is dreaming the whole time? If he is dreaming at the end, where is he dreaming? Limbo? So he goes from talking to Saito to just waking up on a plane, all as a part of a dream in limbo? Really? Think about it.

Nolan would never take the "eeet was aaaaalll a dreeeeaaaammmmm" cliche way out. But the fact that he cut the film before the top falls over does have a meaning. He is planting a seed of doubt in your mind. He uses inception on the audience to have them question the ending. The concept of the movie thus becomes reality to the viewer, a heavy thing to think about and something that hasn't been done before.

But all the evidence points to reality.


If anyone watches the movie again, watch for the item discussed in this. I've already seen it three times so I don't think I will anymore anytime soon.

What you post is VERY convincing, however, I would argue this:

Spoiler:

When he last sees his wife, he finally lets go emotionally. This could also mean that the ring in his dream state goes *poof* too....
 
What you post is VERY convincing, however, I would argue this:

Spoiler:

When he last sees his wife, he finally lets go emotionally. This could also mean that the ring in his dream state goes *poof* too....

Spoiler:
Well to that I just have to say what Sorrofulturnip said above. They established you never remember how a dream started. But the ending sequence was shown to us from start to finish. With all the evidence, I'm convinced it was real.
 
Just my opinion on the movie. It was great! Going to see it again with some different friends some time next week actually. I loved it, the slow motion scenes were funny for whatever reason to me. Yeh, summer movie of the year me thinks, however I'm going to see Toy Story 3 tonight so that may change.
 
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