Is he right?! [Most likely will turn into an M]

this is off topic so stick with me.

liefe did specificly said in the LS that both him and Jsoft meditated from lucifar's mpk. later that day, i did recieve /tell from Jsoft personally telling me that him and liefe stopped lucifar from mpking us. (which i did thank him for)

When only 1 person claiming sumthing, it might be a lie but 2 ppl,
i will doubt it. Especially its sumthing from a LS member and a personal friend.

i personally dont have anything against NA in JP LS, its their decision which LS they are in and let them be. its not like the JP purposely get a NA to MPK other NA or anything. Ones personality worth more than which LS Ones belong to (at least that how i see things )

maybe there are a few individual NAs that ith was tryin to point to (dont wanna mention names) but bashing all of them just isnt right
 
I'm not saying that if you camp with a JP ls your sucking their balls, i prolly shoulda left that part out. I'm just saying i've seen some of them, specifically odhinn, shiutou, and areia, do crap for the other LS. I've seen them steal NM's for JP i've seen them MPK for JP. Not just on one occasion. I'm only bashing Jsoft for his action, or lack there of. We got MPK'd and i was one of the first people back up in the aery and he was down in the pit killing fafnir, thanks asshole. The thing that really burns me up is him saying that our retaliation was unjustified...well what the fuck else is there to justify it? Are we supposed to just roll over every time we fairly claim an HNM and get MPKd.....you're not going to get anywhere like that. It doesn't matter how many times you've claimed if you get MPK'd at 5% and the other LS's kill him, you're just doing the hard part and they get to reap the benefits. I've about had it up to my eye balls with this "Bigger man" bullshit mentality. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth has always been my policy. Call it dumb, call it narrowminded, call me racists i don't give a fuck. But nobody will get anywhere if you simply take shit and don't fight back. Here's a little something from my book of qoute's found in graphitti. "Be the change you want to see in the world." Some of you might take that as "OO if you get MPK'd you shouldn't retaliate and the JP's will learn that and stop doing it" BULLSHIT! why the fuck do you think they did it in the first place? Every single fucking day that we have been there and claimed, they have tried to force spike flail, and/or they have MPKed us. This mentality of "We're too good for that" isn't gonna fly. I say we go to the matresses. If we're too good for retaliation than we are too good for the gear that the HNM's drop, and we're too good to the fucking assholes that did it. I'm not a passivist and i never have been. I don't try to rationalize their reasoning when it's perfectly plain and simple. And reality said something about Jsoft killing the spiders after we MPK'd...nobody in the alliance that was killing them never said anything about him being up there so i don't know if that is true or not. He's guilty by assocciation in my mind and he's no better than the assholes that MPK'd us. He's letting his reputation blind most of you to that fact and you guys are falling for it....personally it makes me wanna puke
 
I'm not saying that if you camp with a JP ls your sucking their balls, i prolly shoulda left that part out. I'm just saying i've seen some of them, specifically odhinn, shiutou, and areia, do crap for the other LS. I've seen them steal NM's for JP i've seen them MPK for JP. Not just on one occasion. I'm only bashing Jsoft for his action, or lack there of. We got MPK'd and i was one of the first people back up in the aery and he was down in the pit killing fafnir, thanks asshole. The thing that really burns me up is him saying that our retaliation was unjustified...well what the fuck else is there to justify it? Are we supposed to just roll over every time we fairly claim an HNM and get MPKd.....you're not going to get anywhere like that. It doesn't matter how many times you've claimed if you get MPK'd at 5% and the other LS's kill him, you're just doing the hard part and they get to reap the benefits. I've about had it up to my eye balls with this "Bigger man" bullshit mentality. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth has always been my policy. Call it dumb, call it narrowminded, call me racists i don't give a fuck. But nobody will get anywhere if you simply take shit and don't fight back. Here's a little something from my book of qoute's found in graphitti. "Be the change you want to see in the world." Some of you might take that as "OO if you get MPK'd you shouldn't retaliate and the JP's will learn that and stop doing it" BULLSHIT! why the fuck do you think they did it in the first place? Every single fucking day that we have been there and claimed, they have tried to force spike flail, and/or they have MPKed us. This mentality of "We're too good for that" isn't gonna fly. I say we go to the matresses. If we're too good for retaliation than we are too good for the gear that the HNM's drop, and we're too good to the fucking assholes that did it. I'm not a passivist and i never have been. I don't try to rationalize their reasoning when it's perfectly plain and simple. And reality said something about Jsoft killing the spiders after we MPK'd...nobody in the alliance that was killing them never said anything about him being up there so i don't know if that is true or not. He's guilty by assocciation in my mind and he's no better than the assholes that MPK'd us. He's letting his reputation blind most of you to that fact and you guys are falling for it....personally it makes me wanna puke
 
Synical said:
to the heart of your post, yeah, the guys a fookin loser. they both kill it they take lot chance, nothing more fair than that. but he screwd her over plain and simple.


as for your off topic bit, more specifically adding jsoft in there, you really ought to know what the fuck your talking about before you toss out names. just because a na is in a jp ls doesnt make them a sell out.
take Fireblade for example, where NAFB gets its roots from. that ls is Full of jp, and they invited some na into their shell with them. does that make all the origional nafb members sellouts?
just another sorry example of people labling an entire group of people because of the sorry and inexcusible actions of a few of its members.
but i digress....

~Syn
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Synical, i don't know if this post is directed to me, but if it is, make sure you read my post.

I specifically said the "JP Alliance".. i did not say all the JP.
Second, once again, im not blaming Jsoft for camping with them, i was mad at him because he did not leave the "JP Alliance" after they MPKed his fellow NA and more specifically, LS friends.

Like i said, Jsoft is a cool guy, and i'll always think that. However, when he said our MPK as retaliation was unjustified... hmmm lol.. think about it :/
 
Why should someone who didn't do any work besides fighting 1 mob get the same reward as someone who did a lot more work? I'd side with the person who put in actual effort every time.

I'd have to side with Teppo based on his version of what happened, since he was actually there; whereas the OP was recounting something they had no firsthand knowledge of, so his version is obviously not going to be as accurate as someone who was actually there. I don't know why Antura would even want a Joyeuse, since she's only playing rng now anyways.

Oh, and about the crap why people seem to hate teppo. One fuck-up in dynamis isn't worth harping on them over and over. I don't remember him screwing everyone over in the last several months of Dynamis-Pants, so I don't see why 1 mistake pisses everyone off.

With the coffer, the exact same thing happened to me when I was going for my mnk af and some solo whm followed us and got the coffer first. You know what I did? I forgot their name after a couple hours and MOVED ON. Seriously, it's not something worth a grudge lasting months, and there's not much you seem to be harping on him for anyways. I still like teppo even with all the crap that gets posted about him, and I've yet to see a good reason why people would still hate him after a couple weeks at most.
 
Synical said:
just another sorry example of people labling an entire group of people because of the sorry and inexcusible actions of a few of its members.
but i digress....

~Syn
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Syn, I agree with almost all of what you said except for this last part. It's guilt by association. In any group, the group's reputation is usually based on the sum of it's members. If one member starts doing rotten stuff, it reflects badly on the group as a whole.

Take NAFB for example. Great group of people from what I have seen. Now say Sneakypants (I use him cause I know him) flips his lid one day and just goes off and start MPK'n, Scammin, stealing, and just generally being an ass. What would NA:FB do? You'd probably sit him down and try to set him straight. If he continued, you'd probably be forced to kick him. Why? Because he no longer fits in your group and reflects badly.

To put another spin on it, if you hang with people that do bad things, that means you also tolerate that type of behavior. Anyway...
 
What it comes down to is this: Teppo organized a party to get the sword for himself. It was his friends, ls mates, whatever that were helping him. If antura really wanted the sword, he could have tried to solo (i know, not feasable) or counter camp it with his own friends. Instead, it seems to me that antura just had a chance encounter with the NM and thought he could get a free ride. This has nothing to do with greed and everything to do with planning.
 
Kirayamato said:
I another will not waste time flaming another moron.
Husband like wife. Both of them can die in Hell.
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I would like to know what brought her into this. She never has never done a mistake that ive never seen anyone else do. That ZM5 mistake, she was not the first, there have been other times I seen people pop a monster via mistake. In anycase, this is bout me and Antura.
Ive done so much for Antura, and It really pained me to see how all the things Ive done and helped her with she still stabed me in the back with this whole thing. I know many people already dont like me, which is fine. I still work hard for those who trust me, and I will not be screwed over by those who want to use me.
 
ForteTeppo said:
Reality said:
I would LOVE to hear ALL of the Evil things I done, Beside the Coffer and Dyn-windy.
If you cannot come uo with anymore then those two i am deeply sorry your still hung on old news.
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LOL how many times does it take?
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alanon said:
Synical said:
just another sorry example of people labling an entire group of people because of the sorry and inexcusible actions of a few of its members.
but i digress....

~Syn
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Syn, I agree with almost all of what you said except for this last part. It's guilt by association. In any group, the group's reputation is usually based on the sum of it's members. If one member starts doing rotten stuff, it reflects badly on the group as a whole.

Take NAFB for example. Great group of people from what I have seen. Now say Sneakypants (I use him cause I know him) flips his lid one day and just goes off and start MPK'n, Scammin, stealing, and just generally being an ass. What would NA:FB do? You'd probably sit him down and try to set him straight. If he continued, you'd probably be forced to kick him. Why? Because he no longer fits in your group and reflects badly.

To put another spin on it, if you hang with people that do bad things, that means you also tolerate that type of behavior. Anyway...
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guilt by association may effect a reputation, this is true in game, or in the real world. however this is not enough in the real world to convict a person. its meerly a factor people take into account when judging someones character, someone they may not Know personally well enough to say Otherwise about.
but that is what i was geting at, snap judgements dont do anyone any good at all.
it hurts both the accused, and the accuser (in a way) as the accused may not in fact be such a person as percieved due to their acquaintances(or ls in this case), and the accuser walks around thinking that they know the truth of things, when in fact they know nothing at all.

i have to agree with the part i highlighted in blue though, no arguments there.


Elad: huh? no, it was'nt directed at you man. that was to the topic starter by Ithenas.

~Syn
 
This is funny.

You all bitch how we NA can never do anything yet like kill Kirin and what not.

I will tell you why.

You are too busy sitting flaming people for fucking mistakes they made months ago, you need to learn to forgive and forget, and stick together.

You have to realize that this game depends on the helps of others, making everyone your enemy for stepping on your toe, is fucking retarded.

Then you come here and bash that person for fucking up, ruining his repition. Everyone fucks up once.

PS: I swear to god if I here one more person try to hijack a flame into a JP VS NA discousion, I will going on a manhunt and kill that person. Fucking get over it. God created us all equal.
 
It wasn't a hijack, it was in the OP.
 
Bajaratt said:
It wasn't a hijack, it was in the OP.
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The orginal post was about greedy NA's helping JP MPK other NA's because of greed. Witch was hijacked and turned into a NA VS JP topic.
 
It's still about that, People are still discussing NA's in JP HNM LS's, so it's still on topic.
 
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