Ithenas, the Thief of Today

Dresdan said:
Firestreak said:
I'm not going to bother reading all of this. This doesn't involve linkshells. Or other people. This is a problem between Ithenas, Jonas, and Atf. It is not the responsibility of my shell or anyone else to resolve this matter. Ithenas contributes generously to my shell when he can, therefore I am not going to take action against him.
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So basically he's useful to you so you don't care what he does.
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He is more than just useful. He is a friend to most of the people around him. After listening to both Jonas and him, I decided I didn't want to touch the issue since it should just be between them. There is nothing you nor I can do about it Firestreak. Just let them resolve it. It was the same deal with the Osode a while back.
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when it was the Osode you were adamant about ithenas getting it, but now that the tides are turned you don't care...got it!
 
meeze said:
Dresdan said:
Firestreak said:
I'm not going to bother reading all of this. This doesn't involve linkshells. Or other people. This is a problem between Ithenas, Jonas, and Atf. It is not the responsibility of my shell or anyone else to resolve this matter. Ithenas contributes generously to my shell when he can, therefore I am not going to take action against him.
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So basically he's useful to you so you don't care what he does.
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He is more than just useful. He is a friend to most of the people around him. After listening to both Jonas and him, I decided I didn't want to touch the issue since it should just be between them. There is nothing you nor I can do about it Firestreak. Just let them resolve it. It was the same deal with the Osode a while back.
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when it was the Osode you were adamant about ithenas getting it, but now that the tides are turned you don't care...got it!
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Yea, and I learned my lesson from it. No matter what anyone said, the only people that could resolve the issue were Ithenas, Delite, and Wowzer. No one else.
 
cohibuu said:
you just dont care until it happens to you or your LS
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Yea, they are kind of my only reason to play the game. I'm not very active any longer, but I still wish to take care of my friends however I can. It's not that I'm looking to shoot anyone else down, they are just the only outlet I have to whatever is going on in the game.
 
don't care is bad as a leader in my opinion.
Although this relates to Ithenas and not entirely your ls, you should advise and help solve the problem IF you want to help better your own members.
Still the final say is Ithenas.
Ignoring is just soo wrong
 
As an LS leader I think it is your duty to let Ithenas know that stealing isn't something to be tolerated out of your LS members, unless it is of course, and by you staying out of this it seems that is exactly your opinion. go ahead and steal, just not from this LS.
 
meeze said:
As an LS leader I think it is your duty to let Ithenas know that stealing isn't something to be tolerated out of your LS members, unless it is of course, and by you staying out of this it seems that is exactly your opinion. go ahead and steal, just not from this LS.
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As I said, I listened to both Ithenas and Jonas. I didn't tell either of them whether they were right or wrong. Stealing isn't something I tolerate. But because this is a bit more complicated than simple theft and involves a third party, and is something I know nothing more than just scenario about I decided to leave it alone.
 
He is more than just useful. He is a friend to most of the people around him. After listening to both Jonas and him, I decided I didn't want to touch the issue since it should just be between them. There is nothing you nor I can do about it Firestreak. Just let them resolve it. It was the same deal with the Osode a while back.
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Is this an issue seeming to resolve itself? I doubt it.

And unlike the Osode this ownership issue is not so gray. Jonas was the rightful owner, he got it himself. Atfgame agrees it's Jonas'. The motivation is clear: Ithenas didn't like Jonas.

Stealing an several million gil item is no small matter. You say your friends are what you play the game for, but it seems like the members of your shell I liked, like Veteran are being phazed out, your now plagued with drama like stolen items and members using teleport claim steals. As LS leader you are constantly faced with the choice of doing something in the name of integrity vs strength. Long-term, intregrity is always the best choice. Every time. Now you may feel Ithenas is a great guy, and you may think this is not your problem as it wasn't from your LS he robbed, but you know, a lot of people in OH must have thought he was a really great guy too. Nobody lent him Osode or E bow out of hatred. But this is where we are now.
 
could it be maybe you dont wanna care Dresdan because ith = rng one of the few members that show to your 5 hour Kirins and ith - 1 E Bow = 1 gimped mother fucker so therfor it wouldnt be in your best interst to have him return it...
 
Firestreak said:
He is more than just useful. He is a friend to most of the people around him. After listening to both Jonas and him, I decided I didn't want to touch the issue since it should just be between them. There is nothing you nor I can do about it Firestreak. Just let them resolve it. It was the same deal with the Osode a while back.
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Is this an issue seeming to resolve itself? I doubt it.

And unlike the Osode this ownership issue is not so gray. Jonas was the rightful owner, he got it himself. Atfgame agrees it's Jonas'. The motivation is clear: Ithenas didn't like Jonas.

Stealing an several million gil item is no small matter. You say your friends are what you play the game for, but it seems like the members of your shell I liked, like Veteran are being phazed out, your now plagued with drama like stolen items and members using teleport claim steals. As LS leader you are constantly faced with the choice of doing something in the name of integrity vs strength. Long-term, intregrity is always the best choice. Every time. Now you may feel Ithenas is a great guy, and you may think this is not your problem as it wasn't from your LS he robbed, but you know, a lot of people in OH must have thought he was a really great guy too. Nobody lent him Osode or E bow out of hatred. But this is where we are now.
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Teleport-claim steal? I haven't talked to nor heard anything from Atf. And my shell keeps its integrity. Those that have interacted with us in sky, or spoken with any of my officers will concede to that. I'm not looking to attack anyone. Nor was I looking for a fight. Among the linkshells plagued with multiple issues of integrity, I believe mine would be one of the few not on that list.
 
Kireek said:
could it be maybe you dont wanna care Dresdan because ith = rng one of the few members that show to your 5 hour Kirins and ith - 1 E Bow = 1 gimped mother fucker so therfor it wouldnt be in your best interst to have him return it...
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I've only been to maybe one kirin in the past two months XD. Last I heard it was 4 hours. The one I went to was certainly fun though. Isn't that what the game is about anyway, having fun? I am there to see that we win in the end. And I did have many ambitions and hopes of getting everyone what they wanted in the game. But that doesn't mean we can't enjoy ourselves along the way. This issue, although unpleasant, doesn't involve my shell as a whole.
 
Mirewen... im not insulting your members... im just stateing what i have been told from people in ESP and in no way did i insult anyone dirrectly other than Ith and possibly Dresdan
 
Kireek said:
Mirewen... im not insulting your members... im just stateing what i have been told from people in ESP and in no way did i insult anyone dirrectly other than Ith and possibly Dresdan
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You exaggerating how long something takes and using it as an insult IS insulting the LS as a whole.
 
cohibuu said:
if your Ls feels the same, then they are all piece of shit lowlifes just like you
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Hey! Fuck you shitbag. I may not be in that LS anymore but I'm not gonna sit here and listen to you run your mouth on shit you know nothing about. Why don't you, Kireek and Firestreak all place a nice game of Hide-and-go-fuck-yourself
 
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