Ithenas, the Thief of Today

[Konartist]

well Kon belive it or not some people actualy trust each other in this game i know thats a new consept to you seeing how your just an ass to everyone you dont know then try to rectify it by claiming you dont remember what you did so....

There is alot of people that I trusted and that trusted me as well. So no, its not a new conCept to me. And I'm not an ass to anyone I don't know.

you didn't know me and acted an ass to me.

Nah I simply said you were a gil buyer. And with this new info of you paying 5k per PSL makes me lol. So you will pay 5,000 RL dollars for PSL's but you want to convince me you never bought gil where 1million only cost like 50 bucks LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. I stand by what I said.

 

[vang]

Dres seems to always do the right thing.

Necrosis is still in the LS right?


Why don't you niggers just mpk each other or steal the other LS's Kirin or something cool like that. Stop being faggots k?

I like Jonas I like Ithy but since Jonas did say how much he hated FF and was going to WoW for good that will be my only reason for not going off on Ithy. As it stands I gotta be neutral on this one.

 

[Konartist]

niggers and faggots?? wow I thought that I was the most immature one here.

 

[vang]

niggers and faggots?? wow I thought that I was the most immature one here.

I <3 em but they are both acting like homosexual afro american hoods.

That more P.C. for ya? :wink:

 

[Konartist]

niggers and faggots?? wow I thought that I was the most immature one here.

I <3 em but they are both acting like homosexual afro american hoods.

That more P.C. for ya? :wink:

.....gotcha :lol:

 

[Kireek]

wtf im suddenly a Gilbuyer why? wow Kon your a fuking idiot you have nothing to even back you up. I'v Never bought Gil nor will i ever Buy Gil K thx

 

[Dresdan]

After 12 hours of work, I finally came back home to catch up on all the posts.

Really, I never imagined or intended for all of this to happen. I consider both Jonas and Ithenas good friends and do not want to be a catalyst to all this fighting. As such, I will talk to Ithenas and Jonas to help them work things out.

I respect that you guys are defending friends, your LS', your values, and whatever you hold dear. However, I think that posting my perspective here will only further fuel the flame and widen the rift between my two friends.

If I wanted to be more political than human, then yes, my decision would have been to kick Ithenas from my LS. But from talking to both Jonas and ithenas I realized there was more than I could understand without being involved in the situation to make a solid decision. Although I may not be capable of being so all the time, I appreciate the humanity of people more than anything else. Even if I had kicked Ithenas from my shell it would not have resolved this issue and I would have lost a friend. This can only be decided between them.

 

[meeze]

well Kon belive it or not some people actualy trust each other in this game i know thats a new consept to you seeing how your just an ass to everyone you dont know then try to rectify it by claiming you dont remember what you did so....

There is alot of people that I trusted and that trusted me as well. So no, its not a new conCept to me. And I'm not an ass to anyone I don't know.

you didn't know me and acted an ass to me.

Nah I simply said you were a gil buyer. And with this new info of you paying 5k per PSL makes me lol. So you will pay 5,000 RL dollars for PSL's but you want to convince me you never bought gil where 1million only cost like 50 bucks LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. I stand by what I said.

i also spent about 8k for my week in hawaii this summer, a few K when i went to costa rica last spring break, a lot of K's when i went to puerto rico then on a cruise in the british virgin isles 2 years ago, a few k when i went to hawaii the year before that...yup, i like to have a good time in RL, guess that makes me a gil buyer.

and you run out of ammo in XP pts, i guess that makes you a trailer trash hoe sucking off your babies daddys brother so you can sit in the same room while he smokes his crack rock.

well, now that thats settled, lets move on, what kind of oral pleasures can i get for letting you get contact off my camel?

 

[Trippyhippy]

niggers and faggots?? wow I thought that I was the most immature one here.

I <3 em but they are both acting like homosexual afro american hoods.

That more P.C. for ya? :wink:

Is acting like a Homosexual a bad thing?
Furthermore, how do homosexuals act?














I'm gonna regret this post.

 

[Uzor]

Konartist, according to you, when a friend lends you soemthing it's yours. And you don't have to give it back, ever. Do you think like that in RL to?

You go borrow a DVD from the local video store. You pay $1 to borrow it. Then when they say they want it back, you answer with a "No, it's mine. I don't have to give it back". Can't you see the stupidity in your argument? By saying that it's yours when you trade it to you is like admitting you're never going to give back items friends lend you since it's yours.

In all honesty, both Konartist and Ithenas have lost all respect I had for them. Good thing is that Konartist already quit the game. One less ass to take notice off. I used to like Ithenas, but what he did was really low. And I really can't see how you can even defend a clear thief? If Jonas let Atf hold on to the bow in the mean time untill he gets back, it was wrong of Atf to give it to Ithenas in the first place. But it's even more wrong of Ithenas to keep it. And Atf atleast try to resolve it, so he's cool.

Now, if Atf would ask you for the bow back Ithenas, would you give it back to him? I doubt so. Why? because you're an egoistic fuck. This is the second time you steal, so I hope no one will lend you anything, since you will most likely even steal from your closest friends.

And guys, please stop with the immature "nigga", "homo", "retard" insults since that will lead no where. And also stop re-using the already overused "Kettle, pot, black" come back line -.-

 

[Zoolander]

Atf already posted that he would talk to both of them. Why doesn't everyone stop talking here about somthing thry really know next to nothing about. Please stop the useless bickering and name calling, theres really only three people who can decide this.

At least wait for Atf to speak with jonas and ith before making any conclusions.

 

[Kat]

aa yes, i guess that's why i loan out my gigant mantle twice a week to the tanks in ESP, not to mention the number of times i've let Bjornar and other people use the osode i have while i was XPing pld. And i suppose damita stouter and myihta aren't friends either, i mean i only static with them and talk with them on a regular basis, not to mention we trade gear around like it's a swap meet. and i suppose when i've freely offered a few mil gil to meikolia so she could work on goldsmithing isn't the sign of a friend either. Or that fact that i offered to forefit my share of a set of BCNM60 drops to take river gaiters and give them to meikolia free of charge when she wasn't involved in the BC fight. O yea, i suppose that spending hours of time doing genkai for the friend of mine that got me started on this game doesn't count either, or the fact that i supply him with gil whenever he quits and comes back. I'd also have to guess that despite no longer needing anything from sky i still show up as much as i can to help out my LS mates who doen't yet have their gear, despite the personal costs to me. I'd guess that helping dresdan lead his LS while he sorts some things out isn't the sign of a friend either. Or that i freely let him borrow gear and gil whenever he asks.

There are people in this game that i do hold dear, and they are a precious few. I'd go to the hell and back for them and don't you DARE assume that because i did something that some of jonas' friends find questionable, partly because 95% of the time we spent in FFXI his was jerk off towards me or my friends for no reason, despite my best efforts, that there is nobody i care about. Push one of my friends and see if i don't push back. Most likely i would have returned his bow if the first time i saw him in game a few days ago he hadn't checked me and screamed "BOW!" and then said something to the effect of "ESP? why are you with those gimps" So fuck off kat, you and prophecy and jonas and kireek and anybody else. Leave me and my friends be and i'll do likewise to you.

And you can try to justify "stealing" Jonas' E-Bow "til the cows come home" in your very own words. Point is, it's not yours to keep. I was on your side with Del's osode. But this time you're nothing but a piece of shit for keepin' something that doesn't even remotely belong to you. And you can tell me fuck off all you want. My comeback: look in the friggin' mirror loser.

Konartist, I never realized how stupid you were 'til you started posting in this thread. Who are you to accuse anyone of bein' a gilbuyer? Have you seen their Paypal or credit card statements? OMG ...

Dres, I've always liked and respected you a lot, but if you allow this crap then you've definitely gone down a notch in my book.

Zoolander, don't put a post saying "don't post". GG.

Vang, I don't blame ya for bein' neutral, but I know the circumstances when Jonas' left. EVERYONE knew he'd be back, it was just he was angry that ANOTHER of his jobs he had worked so hard on got nerfed. Hell, half the damn rangers on the server left the game for a tad.

 

[Uzor]

Atf already posted that he would talk to both of them. Why doesn't everyone stop talking here about somthing thry really know next to nothing about. Please stop the useless bickering and name calling, theres really only three people who can decide this.

At least wait for Atf to speak with jonas and ith before making any conclusions.

Read my post again. I said Atf is cool for trying to sort it out. *BUT* he was wrong to give it to Ithenas in the first place.

 

[Zoolander]

Dres, I've always liked and respected you a lot, but if you allow this crap then you've definitely gone down a notch in my book.

Zoolander, don't put a post saying "don't post". GG.

I posted to try and defer people from making conclusions like the ones you just made...

Try to understand Dres's position. At the very least respect it.

Read my post again. I said Atf is cool for trying to sort it out. *BUT* he was wrong to give it to Ithenas in the first place.

Now, if Atf would ask you for the bow back Ithenas, would you give it back to him? I doubt so. Why? because you're an egoistic fuck. This is the second time you steal, so I hope no one will lend you anything, since you will most likely even steal from your closest friends.

I did read your post, and you made the same conclusions i was hoping people would try to avoid until everything has become clear, like I'm trying to do, since i respect so many of the people involved in this.

 

[Stouter]

I am not a hypocrite because basic logic is of cause an effect is on my side.
>>
Ithenas flames about stealing loaned items being wrong.
We argue.
Wowzer gives Ithenas Osode.
I support Wowzer's actions.

By that I say Wowzer is right, and by that I say stealing is wrong.

If throughout the course of the flame, my view point changed, it changed to the benefit of Ithenas' side, by me saying Ithenas was right to get the Osode. Being convinced by another side's persuasive argument does not make you a hypocrite, it makes you open minded.

I reread the thread, you view changed and ultimately reached the point where you felt that the osode was wowzer's to do with as he pleased, and it was his call whether or not he gave it back. Overlaying it onto this situation, saying that it was ithenas's e-bow, but he should still give it back would be fitting for this case.

 

[Kat]

Dres, I've always liked and respected you a lot, but if you allow this crap then you've definitely gone down a notch in my book.

Zoolander, don't put a post saying "don't post". GG.

I posted to try and defer people from making conclusions like the ones you just made...

Try to understand Dres's position. At the very least respect it.

Those aren't conclusions. Those are statements of fact.

 

[Bigboy]

I dunno, this whole thing seems pretty out there to me...

Someone quits and gives his stuff to someone.
Then that someone decides they want to give it to someone else.
That the person who quit decides to come back and wants his stuff back.
The third person doesn't want to give the stuff to a person who didn't give it to him.

No matter who originally got the item, it ended up in someone else's hands, and it is not the final owner's fault that the quitter decided to come back and lay claim to it.

Compairing the bow to an Osote seems kinda whack too, since the meathod of obtaining them is different and the items themselves hold different merits.

Osote = God fight item, not a money making item, sign of prestige.
E-Bow = Bought off the AH for 20mil at it's high. Just another weapon.

Personally, I dont know either of these guys too well, but the moment Jonas entered this thread he sounded like a complete ass whipe to me. He immediately started trying to belittle Ith and started bragging. If it were me, I would sell the bow, and mail the gil to him 1 gil at a time over the next few years.

Ith was naturally on the defensive because he has a bunch of people already on him back from a previous incident. It took, what? half a page before an unrealted incident was brought into it?

If Jonas is the awsome player that he brags about being, he can go out and get the item again. Maybe next time he quits he wont be a shithead and give his stuff away, expecting it to be given back by a bunch of people that assume he will never come back.

If someone told you they were quitting, would you immediately assume they were lying? That they were in fact just saying that they were going to do something to test some kind of bond?

When you walk out of a restraunt after your meal, then suddenly decide you want to run back in and get your leftovers to go, and the waiter has already thrown them out, do they owe you something?

Sorry, but if you plan on quitting, delete your character, and dont come back. There is an old term for this kind of behavior...

Indian Giving

 

[Firestreak]

I reread the thread, you view changed and ultimately reached the point where you felt that the osode was wowzer's to do with as he pleased, and it was his call whether or not he gave it back. Overlaying it onto this situation, saying that it was ithenas's e-bow, but he should still give it back would be fitting for this case.

You have to follow the thread's conclusion.
The important thing was, Wowzer DID give the Osode.
This Osode was Delite's osode, not Ithenas'. It was after Delite said where the Osode should go that he handed it over.
It was Ithenas who created the flame, not me who created the flame to argue against Ithenas.

It is like...

I steal 20 dollars. You tell me... "Hey, stealing 20 dollars is wrong."
>> The result of that 20 dollars doesn't matter in terms of logic, but it's an important note that I return the 20 dollars.
Then I steal 20 dollars.

By me stealing 20 dollars, I am a hypocrite. You are not a hypocrite for calling me wrong to steal the 20 dollars, even if you stole first. Because I was the one who first preached the moral stance.

And on a further note: I didn't argue stealing was OK in the Osode thread. I argued that personally I saw that they both could make a claim to it. Based on the information presented to me at the time.

1) That Delite had been compensated for Osode with Toga.
2) That originally absent of Delite's comment there was no confirmation that it was in fact, lent to Ithenas as main > with severeal people saying different.
3) That with absence of information, morally I thought the best thing was to leave Osode in the hands of an LS member of Delite until he returned. (After this incident, can it not be argued that there was some justification behind that? Would Ithenas have stolen E-Bow from a current LS member?)

But even if you want to view me as hypocritical. The fact remains Ithenas did get the Osode.

And you can shift the focus as much as you want towards me, you ignore the fact that Ithenas is blatently hypocritica and benefitting extremely from pretending he thought stealing was wrong to cry for the Osode that wasn't even his and then pull a 180 like this.

And I think perhaps we know why.

And i suppose damita stouter and myihta aren't friends either, i mean i only static with them and talk with them on a regular basis, not to mention we trade gear around like it's a swap meet.

Stouter you got the first Osode in OH, and nobody flamed you or bitched at you for leaving with it, or said you didn't earn it. But for some reason you feel the need to salt the earth behind you, and every post you've made subsequent involving OH you automatically took the position that was against our majority opinion as an LS.

Now I'm all for debate, but eventually it gets silly. It's silly when arguments aren't about logic but they are about bones to pick. Other people have left the shell, and none of them felt their duty to hate on us.


So maybe instead of focusing on the OH members who felt Ithenas' shouldn't have gotten Osode, you should focus on the fact that Ithenas flamed those OH members who had nothing to do with it, over the Osode. It'd be like saying by the basis on this thread, if I robbed Dresdan and he complained he'd be a hypocrite. Stop focusing on the people who are commenting on it, unobjectively. Focus on your friend Ithenas and answer the questions about his character in this ordeal.

 

[Firestreak]

You steal 20 dollars. I tell you... "Hey, stealing 20 dollars is wrong."
>> The result of that 20 dollars doesn't matter in terms of logic, but it's an important note that you return the 20 dollars.
Then I steal 20 dollars.

Sorry fixed.

I dunno, this whole thing seems pretty out there to me...

Someone quits and gives his stuff to someone.
Then that someone decides they want to give it to someone else.
That the person who quit decides to come back and wants his stuff back.
The third person doesn't want to give the stuff to a person who didn't give it to him.

No matter who originally got the item, it ended up in someone else's hands, and it is not the final owner's fault that the quitter decided to come back and lay claim to it.

Compairing the bow to an Osote seems kinda whack too, since the meathod of obtaining them is different and the items themselves hold different merits.

Osote = God fight item, not a money making item, sign of prestige.
E-Bow = Bought off the AH for 20mil at it's high. Just another weapon.

Personally, I dont know either of these guys too well, but the moment Jonas entered this thread he sounded like a complete ass whipe to me. He immediately started trying to belittle Ith and started bragging. If it were me, I would sell the bow, and mail the gil to him 1 gil at a time over the next few years.

Ith was naturally on the defensive because he has a bunch of people already on him back from a previous incident. It took, what? half a page before an unrealted incident was brought into it?

If Jonas is the awsome player that he brags about being, he can go out and get the item again. Maybe next time he quits he wont be a shithead and give his stuff away, expecting it to be given back by a bunch of people that assume he will never come back.

If someone told you they were quitting, would you immediately assume they were lying? That they were in fact just saying that they were going to do something to test some kind of bond?

When you walk out of a restraunt after your meal, then suddenly decide you want to run back in and get your leftovers to go, and the waiter has already thrown them out, do they owe you something?

Sorry, but if you plan on quitting, delete your character, and dont come back. There is an old term for this kind of behavior...

Indian Giving

You would be right except that the original owner didnt GIVE the Bow, he had him hold it.

The Osode incident was brought it, because it shows a case where Ithenas claimed stealing an item is wrong, despite the fact it's being loaned to guilt people into getting an item.

In that case Ithenas was not even the real owner of the Osode. And if you want to take the stance that an Osode and an Ebow are different, I'll say that an Osode is the net result of an entire LS' hard work, and the LS members would have prefered the Osode be kept in the previous incident., but it was decided doing the moral thing was more important. The E-bow, on the other hand, was 100% bought and owned by Jonas. No LS helped him get it. He got it on his own.

If you want to say, that just by handing someone an item to borrow, it because their property, then yes the previous Osode flame comes into play because there Ithenas said just the opposite.

 

[Bigboy]

If everything you said is true, why is it Ith's fault and not the person who gave it to him?