I've met some real asshats in this game...

[Winklewil]

lol obviously you guys forget what experience party means.
Not all of us can fuck around for 30 minutes before we actually go out to exp.

I've been in fantastic parties that netted me more experience in one night than I've dreamed of, that took about half an hour to fully form. If the party needs a few minutes to find that ever-elusive sixth member, then it is very unreasonable to not give it to them. In the end, if I've got time to wait around with seek on, I can certainly afford a few minutes for the party to do what they need to in order to set everything up well.

This is why "JP PT Onry" in JP /sea comment.
because of these fucktards that take so god damn long to exp and then disband in 1 hour..

It's not the same situation. Not even close. I can agree with you that one of the biggest, nastiest problems attitudes among the NA player-base is their willingness to try partying with only an hour or two to play, but this has absolutely NOTHING to do with party set-up time.

If anything else, Japanese parties patiently take more time to make sure everything is in order, or to make sure they have the right mix of jobs and levels, before venturing out. Once again, you've drawn a direct line between a proverbial apple and orange.

Maybe he can only play 3 hours a day and wants to make the best of it.

The comment you just made lead me to believe that we were in agreement on this point, but apparently not. You have your strange, harsh, little quirky opinion. Here's mine: if you're at a point in your life where you've got only three hours a night to play, and given that parties can take a good while to set up ... well, it might not be too unreasonable to consider whether or not you should be looking for a party at all. That is to say, at least not outside of a static that understands your position. Two hours is what I consider to be the MINIMUM I'd be willing to set up a party for, and that's from first mob to last mob. If your time is excessively limitted at the moment, then you need to take up beastmaster, do some crafting or farming, or anything you want ... just don't inflict your fleeting membership on other people in your party. Come back to party-play when you have the freedom to give your group members a levelling session longer than 45 minutes. If you can't see yourself ever having that much free time, then an MMORPG isn't for you. This is very much a geeky loser's hobby.

You guys have time to dick around when you want to exp? go ahead.
dont get mad if someone else doesn't.

"Dicking around" is the leader sitting on his ass, chatting up the party, and not really bothering to look very hard for other members, decide where to go, or whatever a party needs in order to get moving.

The waiting time inherent in actually DOING those things cannot be described as "dicking around."

 

[Shaidalyn]

You missed the point.




No one said you should. After calling me and the others who have posted idiots, you agreed with us implicitly. I said to stick with a party if they are communicating well about what they want, and not dicking around. You said the same thing. I said you shouldn't bail on one party just because there is an opening in another one that has the potential to net you more XP. You said the same thing.

Ell Oh Ell Way to go. :crazy:

I didnt say your name, to assume a small generalization is pointed at entirety is foolish.

More directed at the people who think the bard made a wrong call.

 

[Marajade]

lolrdm

LolDoublePost

But still true.

 

[versiontwo]

the problem is you are viewing it far from the point.

it was a mistake /tell first of all so it shouldn't even be on flameboards if he prvoked the situation.

second of all its his decision to chose whether to join which ever party he feels is gonna be better.

Tuku has the right of chosing a party.
this isn't a no return deal at walmart hehe.

 

[Tuku]

From reading this post first of all I'd like to say I can't believe you ppl spend all this time filling up 2 pages of crap about a random BRD wanting or not wanting to join a party. There are certain "rules of thumb" in joining partys, most of which I'm sure I am well aware. For clarification's sake, the party I intended to turn down (I ended up turning down both) which was not Celvante's was already formed and were making me wait that long b/c they wanted someone to ding. Technically speaking there was no spot for me yet, and the leader of that party was completely understanding about the situation. Celvantes party was forming in jeuno and I had a little intrest in joining it, so I checked out the situation to see if it sounded like a good idea. If you guys want to post flames and get all worked up about it go right ahead, that's perfectly fine with me. Of course, my obvious motivation was to gain the maximum exp possible in the alotted time. I can't believe I even dignified this post with a response. Thanks, I guess, to all those who defended me. And those of you who didn't you're welcome to your opinions as well. But to all of you, with how trivial this post was to begin with, maybe you should consider what else you could be doing with your time rather than posting on a flameboard about something so trivial.

 

[Marajade]

From reading this post first of all I'd like to say I can't believe you ppl spend all this time filling up 2 pages of crap about a random BRD wanting or not wanting to join a party. There are certain "rules of thumb" in joining partys, most of which I'm sure I am well aware. For clarification's sake, the party I intended to turn down (I ended up turning down both) which was not Celvante's was already formed and were making me wait that long b/c they wanted someone to ding. Technically speaking there was no spot for me yet, and the leader of that party was completely understanding about the situation. Celvantes party was forming in jeuno and I had a little intrest in joining it, so I checked out the situation to see if it sounded like a good idea. If you guys want to post flames and get all worked up about it go right ahead, that's perfectly fine with me. Of course, my obvious motivation was to gain the maximum exp possible in the alotted time. I can't believe I even dignified this post with a response. Thanks, I guess, to all those who defended me. And those of you who didn't you're welcome to your opinions as well. But to all of you, with how trivial this post was to begin with, maybe you should consider what else you could be doing with your time rather than posting on a flameboard about something so trivial.

WALL O TEXT!

The enter key wont bite when you hit it.

 

[Omniscientx]

WALL O TEXT!

The enter key wont bite when you hit it.

Next time don't ignore his post and actually say something meanigful.

 

[Tiael]

This is why I hope BLU gets refresh and dispel. I'd love to see the attitude once there is some competition.

Dispel yes, Geist wall(aoe dispel), other abilities, Refresh, no, highly doubt BLU will get a form of refresh, since no mobs have it, and I don't see any mobs getting it in ToAU. Closest BLU could get to it is battery charge, but that's a short burst of mp, and self only. Hopefully Corsair fills the refreshless woes.

 

[Marajade]

Next time don't ignore his post and actually say something meanigful.

I will when he takes the time to write it properly.
You didnt exactly contribute much either.

 

[Gregedor]

What ... the ... HELL?

/sigh

You're trying to use a stupid poker game as a metaphor, and it's just not a very good one. In a poker game, you play for yourself, and nobody else. You're dealt your cards, you make all your decisions, and any loss or success is yours and yours alone. It is not an accurate comparison. Poker is directly competitive, between individuals, and a party in an MMORPG is COOPERATIVE. You're on a team.

A far, far better metaphor would be something along the lines of an amateur baseball game. You don't up and leave your teammates because you decide you like another team better. Well, pro-ball players do do that, but not mid-season, and CERTAINLY not in the middle of Goddamn game. -_-;

You keep throwing around words like "retarded," "stupid," and "lame" to describe the very common viewpoint of cooperative party-play. I don't see how you can have the audacity to call an expectation that someone will see a party through "dumb," and then have the gall to compare an experience group to a game of poker.

It's so far from being the same situation, they're not even in the same bloody universe.

I don't know if any of you guys have actually been at a real poker table, but you normally can't buy in, run up your chips and then bail on them. The people at the table will cut off your hand if you did that. You typically have to stay for a certain amount of time or until you win the table.

 

[Bigboy]

So I was right in what I said earlier about him possibly not bailing on that PT then? Which means Celvantes exacted his own form of justic upon Tuku unrightfully, and Tuku responded harshly in return.

Well I guess if a BRD/RDM wants to act the fool, its already expected of them, so no harm done. Everyone just dragged their own personal experiences with mean BRDs into this for some reason.

Don't bother with the whole "...says a RDM." to try and justify your points here. Its as invalid as if Tuku being black would mean no black people could give thier opinions.

 

[SavaraX]

..... right there..
this is the dumbest and lamest excuse I have ever seen for the stunt Tuku did.

Does he have to py child support too if he leaves?

Um, I do. Don't you guys? ..... guys? ... shit...

 

[Angof]

WALL O TEXT!

The enter key wont bite when you hit it.

Since the last time I posted...this is the single thing that has bothered me the most. You should be slapped for something like this. Tuku typed up a paragraph. Paragraphs are not supposed to be seperated by lines. How about you think before making pointless comments that also extend into fatuity(yeah thats right I didn't say idiocy).

 

[Isias]

Celvantes, this is Tuku, hes a total Douche NOzzle who fucking throws tantrums about petty shit, he felt so stupid you told him off to HIS FACE that he just had to resort to cursing you out in a little bitch fit ...see hes petty like that... do NOT waiste your time with him... afterall Paladins fighting bards isnt fair

 

[Maximilium]

Since the last time I posted...this is the single thing that has bothered me the most. You should be slapped for something like this. Tuku typed up a paragraph. Paragraphs are not supposed to be seperated by lines. How about you think before making pointless comments that also extend into fatuity(yeah thats right I didn't say idiocy).

I actually find the "wall o txt" a refreshing bit of humor that was needed, since we can all see how many douchebags we have on the boards. Good job marajade!

Also, a "paragraph" is usually an assortment of words and sentences arranged to form one idea. Tuku went thru a couple different ideas, so therefore, his "paragraph" should've been "paragraphs".

And he's still a douchebag. He never even commented on his bitching rant he had with Celvantes when they were gonna go do KRT. Hmmm.

Bottom line: Rdm and Brds need to be brought down a peg or TEN with another refresher job. They talk and walk like rich people do, whining about why their pillows aren't soft enough and wonder why a poor person rejoices when he gets to eat at McDonalds once a week.

Originally Posted by Omniscientx
Next time don't ignore his post and actually say something meanigful.

I will when he takes the time to write it properly.
You didnt exactly contribute much either.

Hahhaa, owned! OWNED! Hahaha!

Celvantes, this is Tuku, hes a total Douche NOzzle who fucking throws tantrums about petty shit, he felt so stupid you told him off to HIS FACE that he just had to resort to cursing you out in a little bitch fit ...see hes petty like that... do NOT waiste your time with him... afterall Paladins fighting bards isnt fair

<Huh!?>

 

[Blackmagik]

this thread owns "

 

[Winklewil]

And he's still a douchebag. He never even commented on his bitching rant he had with Celvantes when they were gonna go do KRT. Hmmm.

I was thinking exactly the same thing, but I wasn't in the mood to point it out myself. Now, however...

Even if Tuku's party-abandoning attitude wasn't quite as blatant as the original circumstances would lead one to believe, there was still that elitist, lecturing BS that he made the original party endure.

Then, there's the nasty business of a (likely) intentional disconnection to remember. There can be no proof of it being intentional, of course, as there never can be ... but I think most can agree it would be naive to think that it isn't probable. I mean, Celvantes heard nothing from him afterwards, yet found him seeking again in Jeuno a couple of hours later.

 

[Blackmagik]

i wanna be cool!!!! to much reading, any short tale sum1 can do for me?

 

[The Druw]

Ok Ok. It's time for the King of LFG to post. The loldrg.

This cracks me up. I've met so many BRD's and RDM's like this it's retarded. I pity the decent RDM's, I mean, like, not even the good ones, but the decent one's that may not be that good but try. ALot of the RDM's out there I've known, may not come out right and say it like Tuku did, but they feel that way in all honesty.

Now, To all of you that talk about how Refresh is such a must. Meh. With the right job combination you can make it without it, it just requires alot of skill from the party. I know this lacks as well, but eh you do what you can. I've been in a Party with a NIN, WAR, DRG, MNK, WAR, WHM and we've gotten atlest 4-5k per hour. Which isn't a wh0mg amazing number, but they were really good and fun people, which leads me to my next point....

If you don't play FFXI for the interaction, for the socializing, to get to experience things with other people, then why the fuck are you playing it? Seriously, there is a thing called Console's. With this wonderful tool called 1 player games. You can take your "group" out and get uber exp's all you want. No one will ever complain, or wanna talk to you. I suggest ONE PLAYER GAMES, ASSHAT.

Just my take on it. Don't tolerate this bullshit, and maybe the attitudes of some will change. Of course that may require a mindset change, so I understand.

And, before my job is attacked. I know that 75% of the DRG's out there are gimp retards who couldn't DMG their way out of a paper bag, muchless open a skillchain.

 

[Neyla]

People create these little monsters with their idiotic dependence on Refresh and Ballads I & II. If people would simply do themselves - and good RDMs and BRDs - a favor by kicking the self-centered assholes they'd be doing everyone a favor. If you're just going to grin and bear it all in the name of one spell or a couple songs, you deserve every inch they shove up your ass. Like I said, no one hates these fuckers more than other RDMs and BRDs because we all have to live with the stigma they've brought to our jobs.