Jamesy (And other's who wouldn't listen)

What happened to playing for fun? Not many people do that anymore :(
Everyone plays for fun, but I don't find it fun when some moron doesn't play his job right and lowers my exp/hour. If you want to have fun, go have fun; but when you want exp, you should be doing everything you can to maximize that exp/hour.
 
Kind of off topic in a sense, but on topic as well.

Had a melee RDM in a pt yesterday, and the pt rocked hard. In fact, he was the only mage in the party at all. This was 75, though.

Wish I could remember his name, but it escapes me.

yeah, they could a little while ago, but not much anymore.

But look, youre also glorifying the variety of different SJ's, which is what I was doing.

Read your post you are suggesting melee rdm. This is not the best idea if you are trying to get the best exp the dmg won't be very good at all (he might have done good dmg for a RDM melee but not compaired to real melee). As for the sub jobs those have been all pretty cookie cutter as you would call it for over a year some more. The stuff you suggest usually makes me feel like I am reading ala.
 
Ruffy just shut the fuck up.

Paladin cure bomb themselves because it gives more hate than curing other party members. It's only a slight amount more, but still more hate.

Bards CAN tank. They put that gear on and hold hate by casting songs. Why do you think BRD have earth staff, and get Osode for more than the CHR? Their songs get a decent amount of hate that is why. If the bard does take hate then the VIT and physical damage -% help reduce the damage they take seeing as though well Bard has no HP or MP pool.

I wont even cover WHM/NIN as it's for solo purposes only.

What about THF/NIN RNG/NIN and BLU/NIN? Jesus you don't even know your own job.

If you're satisfied with a mediocre RDM then by all means party with him. The rest of us know if a RDM is using melee they are lacking some where else. Not to forget that their "good damage" feeds the mobs tp. /NIN also doesn't help with enfeebles landing, how strong a cure goes off, or how much a RDM can nuke for.

You get angry way too easily you little fucktard
 
Read your post you are suggesting melee rdm. This is not the best idea if you are trying to get the best exp the dmg won't be very good at all (he might have done good dmg for a RDM melee but not compaired to real melee). As for the sub jobs those have been all pretty cookie cutter as you would call it for over a year some more. The stuff you suggest usually makes me feel like I am reading ala.

I didnt suggest that RDM's should just melee.............

You are misinterpreting it... Like everyone usually does to glorify themselves on qcdn :/
 
I think you lose the right to call someone a "fucktard" when you advocate Red Mages meleeling in parties... unless said person is saying something even more stupid like having a Black Mage sub Summoner and melee with a Scythe in a party.
 
You get angry way too easily you little fucktard

Oh no someone was talking against Ruffy, and he got pissy watch out!

Ruffy you don't know shit even about your own jobs so don't try to talk like you know other jobs.
 
No, you obviously dont understand.... I am not going to join in on another of your mindless arguments, lol.

Kinda of like all your mindless post where you think you actually know what you're talking about. You've obviosly never been in a good merit party before. Also if you want to have a job using a dagger worth a shit in a merit party, you go get a damn thief. Get a good thief next time, or a even a rng if need be on those birds, and you'll see what we're talking about. You're one of these people that think 5-7k a hour is awsome exp in a merit party. People like you are the reason we need Vang back on this forum...... He at least kept the retard/lolnoob posting to a minimum. (wait someone started a new thread ruffl, and you haven't posted, go get at it boy....) Maybe if you post a lil more each day you can catch up to Cmd and be just as kool, and you might get to feel what a vagina feels like finally.
 
You get angry way too easily you little fucktard

A little angry? I don't think name calling is going to prove you point or get you anywhere.
 
I didnt suggest that RDM's should just melee.............

You are misinterpreting it... Like everyone usually does to glorify themselves on qcdn :/

So when you said you had a melee RDM and he rocked. You ment RDM shouldn't melee? What were you suggesting?
 
Oh hey I have a slightly bigger e-peen now. Thanks Baj, and Neyla!
 
this bard was not doing his job...and was finding it more important to melee than to do his buffs...I find that effecting the party

I think Kir was more making reference to Ruffy's RDM experience, though I'm not Kir to say who it was in reference to.

If a job was genuinely not meant to melee, then they wouldnt have weapon proficiency.
Jobs are meant to melee, there's a place and time for it.
Mages in xp/merit party sans BLU shouldn't do it.

Everyone plays for fun, but I don't find it fun when some moron doesn't play his job right and lowers my exp/hour. If you want to have fun, go have fun; but when you want exp, you should be doing everything you can to maximize that exp/hour.

You beat me to this dammit.

Anyway moving onward, I think we've all understood the point of this thread: Party with that BRD at your own risk!

And the sub-topic: It's accepted by the majority mages aside BLU shouldn't be meleeing in an efficient mamimum xp/lp-hour setup.

Now FFS it's time to have a sexy party! Flex, strike a pose, do what cha do best to put that money on the table! :O

/flex

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- Lec
 
If a red mage was going to do damage, they would do significantly more damage by just nuking than they would through meleeing. That's another thing melee rdm advocates completely ignore when they talk about how "good" rdm's melee damage is.
 
So...

1.) Plds have mp and should main heal and not tank, i mean they got mp after all..
2.) Brds have armor so obviosly they were ment to tank, i mean why else would they even bother making armor that brds could wear..
3.) WHM do get hexa at 220, I should get right on inviting them to sub nin and come as a dmg dealer..?

Its not narrow minded to expect someone to play a job for what it was intended for... its called common sense....

you're missing the point. the rdm he's talking about DID do his job on top of meleeing. rdm's were intended to be fighter mages in the begining after all. just not the greatestin said role. just like how nin's got their tanking job, it the player base that has moved their imphasis(sp) to their mage side. as a 75 rdm myself i know this from personal experience. i wont do into the details for the sake or repeaing common knowledge.

Antor open your focus a bit will ya. you are putting all your attention on that one little word, "meleeing". the reason he started meleeing in that party in the first place, im guessing, is beacuse they were doing well enough for him to do it and not hurt their exp.

i also agree that rdm's shouldnt go to an exp party with the expectation of meleeing. but lets take into account what mobs we love to face. keep in mind this is referenced from the merrit parties ive personally been in. those goddamn colibri for instance (the magic reflecting ones). a rdm is expected naturally, to refresh, buff, debuff, and back up heal. or main heal if he/she's the only mage in the party. if a rdm things they can do that while swinging a sword they're deluding themselves. but what if there's a whm in the party? rdm cant debuff (or nuke) cause he'll end up hurting the exp party with his own spells. the whm will naturally main heal and buff the party. and his/her's will be prefered cause they buff the whole group and not 1 at a time save haste. where does that leave our wayward rdm? refresh and the occasional cure. and given that 99% of merit party DD's go /nin the whm is never taxed heavily VS those mobs. in a situation such as this a rdm could pull out their sword, or knife, and melee and not hurt the parties exp. granted that this party will not get the bragging worthy exp chains but not everyone pulls of those types of chains ruteinly unless they are partying with familier and/or hardcore meriters.

the point im making is that, like the gear we carry around with us to consently macro in and out, this subject matter is situational. i've been in high calibur merit parties and low calibur. so has everyone else here. one thing i've lerned above all is never say never. and one more thing. can we please remove the parcer card from the deck of this argument. a blinded, slowed, paralized and bound <insert DD job here> will out parce a meleeing rdm wearing the best fighting gear he/she can possibly get. we all know this. it redundent to even use in this argument.
 
I don't need to open my focus. If the Red Mage in question was not meleeing he would have done his job better. In turn that equates to increased experience points and a much more efficient party. There's no other way around it.

Like was previously said; this shit has been debated to death and has been proven wrong on countless occasions. There is no magical meleeing Red Mage that does his job to his maximum potential because he shouldn't be meleeing to begin with.
 
wow I walk away for an hour...and look where this thread has gone...

from meleeing brd's to meleeing rdm's..

ruffy bitching and moaning (from what I have seen in previous posts) with the wrath of qcdn knocking him down...again

ohh qcdn how I <3 thee
 
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Oh no someone was talking against Ruffy, and he got pissy watch out!


Nah, he'll just move further into his mom's basement while listening to his Linkin Park CD. I can see him walking in circles saying "I can be cool, I know i can!!!!" "They just don't understand me, a lot of people will go through life never seeing a naked woman in person (minus the strip club.)"
 
lol I agree, I wanna know what respectable merit party takes a melee rdm over a mnk, sam, or war. RDM Dagger caps at... 220, and sword around 255 I wanna say.... So even with merit theres no way this guy is out doing a merit'd mnk or war.. A merit cannon gear'd nin could smoke a rdm lol... Damn you Lec for being right err narrow minded..

Sirry Queeren, Dagger and Sword both cap at 250 for RDM, and we can bust out sum Savage Blades!
 
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