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lmao @ the <mnd> <too weak>...
And 90% of a sams dmg isnt in ws's >.> look at a parse sometime. Str is somthing like 75% of ws dmg so it is awsome to stack it on ws, but theres no way u can beat two minuet songs with two +str songs, especially since the str songs get weaker pretty fast. The brd prolly felt this way, but A. couldnt figure how to say so politely, and/or B. decided to be funny.
(Sam/thf blows >< go /war damnit)
And 90% of a sams dmg isnt in ws's >.> look at a parse sometime. Str is somthing like 75% of ws dmg so it is awsome to stack it on ws, but theres no way u can beat two minuet songs with two +str songs, especially since the str songs get weaker pretty fast. The brd prolly felt this way, but A. couldnt figure how to say so politely, and/or B. decided to be funny.
(Sam/thf blows >< go /war damnit)
Since we have a disagreement over the effect of +str etude, let's look at the math courtesy imach and full thread here.
D = Weapons damage I will assume was between 70 and 80 looking at GKT on alla, I'll use 75 for this example.
FSTR was likely capped already since you have +47 str.
WSC: Going from your numbers, your Str was 60+47 and +30 bonus from two etudes (although temporary as herculean wears down fast). This comes to (60+47+30)*.75wsMultipler*.84 for a lvl 72 = 108.78
fTP: Typicaly 1.5 if you ws around 100% each time.
PDF: Hard to tell, but never capped against XP mobs. If you look at the equation, you can see this is a major factor. I'll be generous and say 1.8 for this example.
Now just where does the etudes bonus fit into the quation? Well it comes up during the WSC which is multiplied by .75 for your ws modifier and .84 for a lvl 72, then * PDF (your attack/mob def) and finally * 1.25 for subbed SA. So that 30str extra * .75 * .84 *1.5 *1.8 pdf*1.25 = 51.03 extra damage from the etudes, however this would be lower than usual since you gave up minuet4 which boosts your pdf multiplier.
As you can see, the etudes are not going to boost your dmg by 300-500 like you claim.
As a side thought, you claim to have done this before as sam, yet even in this example you are only 72. Herculean etude is a lvl 74 brd spell. So unless you are partying with some really large lvl gaps this does not seem pausible and in this case the JP bard might not have even had the spell yet (you did not mention his lvl, only that you were 72).
Our goal is to find the base Weapon skill Damage (WD).
D = Weapons damage I will assume was between 70 and 80 looking at GKT on alla, I'll use 75 for this example.
FSTR was likely capped already since you have +47 str.
WSC: Going from your numbers, your Str was 60+47 and +30 bonus from two etudes (although temporary as herculean wears down fast). This comes to (60+47+30)*.75wsMultipler*.84 for a lvl 72 = 108.78
fTP: Typicaly 1.5 if you ws around 100% each time.
PDF: Hard to tell, but never capped against XP mobs. If you look at the equation, you can see this is a major factor. I'll be generous and say 1.8 for this example.
Now just where does the etudes bonus fit into the quation? Well it comes up during the WSC which is multiplied by .75 for your ws modifier and .84 for a lvl 72, then * PDF (your attack/mob def) and finally * 1.25 for subbed SA. So that 30str extra * .75 * .84 *1.5 *1.8 pdf*1.25 = 51.03 extra damage from the etudes, however this would be lower than usual since you gave up minuet4 which boosts your pdf multiplier.
As you can see, the etudes are not going to boost your dmg by 300-500 like you claim.
As a side thought, you claim to have done this before as sam, yet even in this example you are only 72. Herculean etude is a lvl 74 brd spell. So unless you are partying with some really large lvl gaps this does not seem pausible and in this case the JP bard might not have even had the spell yet (you did not mention his lvl, only that you were 72).
You can say what you want, i'll take some screenshots of my damage next time i exp off weapons with a bard.
SAM/WAR is good for more frequent Weaponskills whereas SAM/THF is good for one or two significantly more powerful weaponskills , i usually get two per fight with SAM/THF and anywhere from 3-5 as SAM/WAR, with SAM/RNG i can get off around 5 sidewinders in one fight. each for around 300-600 dmg.. roughly that.
SAM/WAR is good for more frequent Weaponskills whereas SAM/THF is good for one or two significantly more powerful weaponskills , i usually get two per fight with SAM/THF and anywhere from 3-5 as SAM/WAR, with SAM/RNG i can get off around 5 sidewinders in one fight. each for around 300-600 dmg.. roughly that.
Alyssan. said:
aren't you exaggerating a bit? I saw that you coulda got off like maybe 3 WS per fight max :-\.
Alyssan. said:
Well then you must have been killing very damn slow if you were able to get off 5 WS's each fight, and if your really so UBER LEEEEEEEEEEET then 3 of your WS's would automatically kill the mob .7+ to you
(ill take the shes exaggerating 8) )
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sam/war > sam/thf in DoT, and sam/rng is dead in exp unless u feel like running back 10 feet every time u wanna ws or use barrage. Try sam/rng on kirin some time...thats th eonly time i get to have any fun with /rng any more >< But yea with tp at start of fight, plus 160 tp from meditate, plus melee tp, plus barrage tp (20-100), u could do 4-5 sidewinders...but by the end they would do shit dmg since u would have hate, or be dead 
thats what whm are for :-DZoolander said:But yea with tp at start of fight, plus 160 tp from meditate, plus melee tp, plus barrage tp (20-100), u could do 4-5 sidewinders...but by the end they would do shit dmg since u would have hate, or be dead
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O.M.G. this is the first time you have ever posted something that I agree with.... W.T.F. is this world coming to. :shock:
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Ditto Kriist...
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Re:
the world is coming to... an end '; ;
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the world is coming to... an end '; ;
Moral of the Story:
Don't play Bard if you don't want to use songs people ask for. This is the easiest fucking job to play, and most of them are just EXP leechers playing the same 6 songs every fight.(Ballad 1/2, Minuet/Minuet or Madrigal/Madrigal or Minuet/Madrigal, Elegy, and a Resist Debuff.)
Don't play Bard if you don't want to use songs people ask for. This is the easiest fucking job to play, and most of them are just EXP leechers playing the same 6 songs every fight.(Ballad 1/2, Minuet/Minuet or Madrigal/Madrigal or Minuet/Madrigal, Elegy, and a Resist Debuff.)
*sigh* I see I failed to get my point across to Skaw. Just because someone asks for a song doesn't always make it best. Most people who don't play bard (melees for example) understand it the least. So whose judgement should you be relying on when someone makes a song request? The one playing it all the way to 70, or the melee who has partied with a brd 4-5 times on the way to 70. If the melee does understand the job well enough, they should have no problem justifying their request, which is rarely the case.
Well at least your post had a joke to it. Quite funny coming from a mnk who spends 95% of his time on auto attack with the occasional SC. If you want to be technical, all jobs in this game are easy. However, some jobs require much, much more action on the part of the player. Rdm and Brd are two prime examples (Rng too if you want to count firing a macro for each attack). If brds really were such leaches why don't I hear about them getting kicked from partys instead of how they boost exp rate so much?
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Moral of the story: Don't listen to people that don't know bard 
j/k
If they want to have stupid songs, you can just ignore their request or move on, it's just that simple. And STFU, bard is not the easiest job if done right, though I agree, there are alot of leeches. But that is another flame war altogether... In any case, I got my 2 gil in there.
j/k If they want to have stupid songs, you can just ignore their request or move on, it's just that simple. And STFU, bard is not the easiest job if done right, though I agree, there are alot of leeches. But that is another flame war altogether... In any case, I got my 2 gil in there.
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I don't play MNK much anymore, aside from farming and leveling my NPC
All about BST now.
But yes, assuming your party knows what to do with a Bard in it, it is the easiest job around.
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Skaw said:Rones said:
I don't play MNK much anymore, aside from farming and leveling my NPC
All about BST now.
But yes, assuming your party knows what to do with a Bard in it, it is the easiest job around.
Yeah, a pt that knows how to use a bard.... can't remember the last time.... Now BST, there's a true challenge
