Jay Cutler

[Ryuoho]

The little you know of the Chicago organization of football. Jerry Angelo CAN NOT DRAFT IN THE FIRST ROUND. His decision making and scout evaluation is poor. Matt Forte was a 2nd round pick last year. The first pick? An offensive lineman sidelined the entire year recovering from back surgery. Greg Olsen appears to be the only recent first round pick that is actually going to work for the Bears.

Justifying a poor decision by identifying a bigger problem.

Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2009 Chicago Bears!

 

[Shyrra]

Justifying a poor decision by identifying a bigger problem.

Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2009 Chicago Bears!

You've been reading The Sports Guy too much, that statement is usually reserved for, Ladies and Gentlemen! Your 2009 Los Angeles Clippers! or... I forget who the other team was.

 

[Strid]

Shopped around? In Baseball, they have to have permission from the player. Guess what? In most sports, they team would have to BUY out the contract... Baseball, Basketball,Hockey. In football, that is not the case. So I'm all for players standing up. This is my point. In the NFL, players virtually have no leverage or say so. So yeah, for once I'm with the player.

You don't have to tell me how the NFL works, I know it it works and all the others, aside from Hockey (in detail). You seem to be the one with the misunderstandings. Baseball is just as bureaucratic as Football, just not as harsh as Football can be, but not is, unless you've tainted yourself like T.O. and Moss before he got his shit straight. Look what happened to Cutler after his tear fest, he's doin' fine in Chicago. The NFL isn't as cut-throat as you'd like to make it seem. NFL teams have to honor their contracts just like the others unless the player is unwillin' or unfit to finish the contract on his own, in which case he gets what he gets, thems the beans. Cutler was pissed because Denver -hinted- at tradin' him and he set off in a titty fit renderin' him, imo, unwillin' to honor his contract. I don't give a damn how much you wanna root for the player, a contract is a contract and when you sign one you better damn well honor it. I don't care if it's over pinball or puttin' together Mr. Potato heads, you fuckin' honor it and you suck shit up when things don't always go your way.

When you choose to do somethin' you should know the risk and rules before you do it, if you don't accept them or don't understand them you have no right to be there. The NFL has had these rules as long as I can remember. It doesn't matter if they are "unfair" in the light of other sports, they are the fuckin' rules and everyone, especially players know them. If you don't like them and can't honor them, gtfo. If you go anyway hopin' for change, that is what we call a risk and you get what you get out of a risk.

Lastly, Baseball players do not have to give consent to be shopped around, just the final move and that varies from contract to contract. That's why you don't see -many- baseball contracts that are long term. In Football they don't usually deal with lengthy ones because of injury chances, in Baseball it's because of the player's union. Balancin' at its finest.

If you still think baseball players do not get shopped around I'd like to ask what you think the term alludes to as I think it's a lot broader than you think or a lot less severe than you think.

 

[Shyrra]

FYI, all this talk about baseball contracts, and having to consent to give the final move... Unless explicitly written in the contract (which can happy in ANY sport or ANY contract, mind you) the player only has to "OK" the deal in one situation, and that's when he is a "10/5" guy, which means that player has been in the league 10 years, and 5 years with his current team. Figured I'd enlighten you all to that fact.

 

[Airou]

Denver will be fine without Cutler, just fine. He got a lot of attention but, imo, it was all unnecessary. The media likes to make sports teams out to be a one man team, but well all know better than that. The Broncos had a decent season and it had little to do with Cutler. They can put an average, which is really all he was, QB in his place and be okay with the team they have. With Cutler back at the helm things would have just been easier to go up on. Then again, with a baby at the helm who knows, this may end up bein' for the best for the Broncos.

I'll never understand these twits. You get paid millions of dollars to play a game, A GAME. Life can't be that bad.

I dont see how you can say they will be just fine without Cutler, seeing as they werent fine WITH him. I dont care how many draft picks you get, you can never get BETTER by trading a 25 year old franchise pro bowl QB. He was 8-1 when the defense allowed 21 pts or less, that defense was horrendous, that ONE loss was in an overtime loss to the packers where on the opening play of OT favre threw an 80 yd TD pass. Ill take a QB like that on a solid defense any day.

Please provide some stats or evidence when you make claims lol, the broncos wont be just fine, save they get very lucky in a weak division. They lose their QB, going to lose Brandon Marshall, they have 32854723895740 unproven RBs, and a horrific defense.

 

[Strid]

I dont see how you can say they will be just fine without Cutler, seeing as they werent fine WITH him. I dont care how many draft picks you get, you can never get BETTER by trading a 25 year old franchise pro bowl QB. He was 8-1 when the defense allowed 21 pts or less, that defense was horrendous, that ONE loss was in an overtime loss to the packers where on the opening play of OT favre threw an 80 yd TD pass. Ill take a QB like that on a solid defense any day.

Please provide some stats or evidence when you make claims lol, the broncos wont be just fine, save they get very lucky in a weak division. They lose their QB, going to lose Brandon Marshall, they have 32854723895740 unproven RBs, and a horrific defense.

I guess I should have said fine and relayed it in a broad sense. What I mean by fine, with Denver, is this, they aren't goin' to be any worse off, imo, and if they are, not by much. So in short, they aren't gonna turn into the Dolphins before Parcels got their shit together.

 

[Strid]

FYI, all this talk about baseball contracts, and having to consent to give the final move... Unless explicitly written in the contract (which can happy in ANY sport or ANY contract, mind you) the player only has to "OK" the deal in one situation, and that's when he is a "10/5" guy, which means that player has been in the league 10 years, and 5 years with his current team. Figured I'd enlighten you all to that fact.

Yeah, I already said that, except for the tenure deal which doesn't matter unless you're on a classy team like the Atlanta Braves and even teams like that obviously have their limits. That's a courtesy not a rule.

 

[Zaltana]

this whole thing is all about trust. yes you sign a contract to play a game. playing this game is your job, and you get paid to do it. however, this game isnt made up of one person doing this job, its made up of a team doing this job. for a team to function properly it needs to be able to trust one another.

now when you hear about your coach, through the grapevine no less, looking to trade you off just so he can bring his student into the fray you violate that trust. the phrase "trust takes years to build seconds to destroy" wasn't made to make some old man sound clever, its true. i think Jay has every right to be pissed off at the broncos. in public they're telling the whole world that Jay is their franchise QB. behind closed doors the coach is looking to ship him off. Lack of integrity & poor judgment led to this. Jay was already a bit disgruntled with the Broncos after they fired one coach. and after he's given his all for them he finds out that they'll toss him aside for the head coach's protege, and he's supposed to like it? everyone has pet peeves, and Jay's seems to be trust.

 

[Airou]

Yes, Zaltana is right, people only hear/read what they want to in this whole issue, all they see is "Omg they considered trading me, im mad", no it wasnt just like that. When Shanahan was fired, which he shouldntve been, Cutler was upset, who wouldnt be? Look what multiple coaching changes have done to other quarterbacks' careers, alex smith, jason campbell struggled a bit, david carr, theres many more to list so anytime theres a change in philosophy for your position, your not going to be happy about it.

But he dealt with it, and the President/Owner Bowlen PROMISED him that he would bring in a Defensive mind, he broke that bringing in a former Offensive Coordinator from a high powered offense like the Pats. Ok, he dealt with that, but since their offense didnt have much of a problem to begin with, Bowlen then promised him that the rest of the offensive staff would remain intact, then mcdaniels comes in, fires everyone and re creates his own staff, now you have a completely new offense, a new young coach, and already 2 broken promise within the span of a month.

He stuck with it, then the trade talks just put him over the edge, what i see from cutler's side is he saw Mcdaniels as a guy who came in and trid to take over a team that WAS NOT in a rebuilding phase, all they needed was a defense...

 

[Romper]

Justifying a poor decision by identifying a bigger problem.

Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2009 Chicago Bears!

Yes because I'll definitely pass on a guaranteed starting quarterback which the Bears haven't had since Harbaugh which was 20 years ago. Let alone a successful quarterback that didn't have fluke years (see Erik Kramer and Jim Miller).

It wasn't a poor decision especially considering the depth of the receiver pool this year, and the lack of safeties this year. They can draft a receiver this year in the second round, and draft a safety next year. Corner Backs would be nice too since Tillman and Vasher aren't the greatest. They're about average.

You act like the NFC North is drastically improving when it still very much so is up for grabs considering the age of Green Bays CBs, the Vikings being a RB and a DLine, and well the Lions have more problems than just a QB.

 

[Ryuoho]

Both sides should've handled this better. I don't think you'll find anyone who won't agree with how poorly the Bronco's management treated Cutler. It's just easier to attack him because I understand that aspect of the game, I can associate with it easier. I'm not faulting Cutler for the end result, just the means in which he carried it out.

As a quick side note, you ARE in a rebuilding phase if your entire defense needs work. That's not a small aspect of the game. In my opinion, it is the most important.

 

[Anglis]

I still stand by what Cutler did. I love the NFL, my favorite sport, but they are as cut-throat as i make them out to be. Cutler did right. Denver, while they might not be better this year did get 2 first round picks...that is great I might add.

Rumor is they might go after Sanchez...whom I'm not quite sold on yet, but nonetheless, I'm sure they have a backup plan.