Kaizen "leadership"

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Truegrave said:
The majority of Monday run members do not attend Friday's. As to the Tav runs those have always been talked about and will be talked about. If members don't show up for Friday runs, why is it undermining the Friday if I do a run with friends? I fail to see how that decision is even in the least bit in spite.
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You fail to see? Honestly truegrave it isnt hard, all the people that do runs on mondays aren't your friends. And not as was stated some of the mondays group does runs on fridays. From an outsider looking in, you almost either A. Punish those that run on fridays(the people that want to support the full shell instead of fucking over someone who Truegrave doesn't like) because they can never do tavnazia or B. are really trying to punish Lyall from talking shit about your group(kaizen). Either way it isn't something that is very nice. If you are so deadset on doing this you should form a completely different shell for your monday's run and your thursday's run, but one that is not associated with kaizen or limitless... because if you obviously believe that fucking over the other half of your shell(because it will) then you really don't deserve the presitge that is associated with the name "Limitless"

The reason I say not associated with either is simply as follows, since the beginning of the shells kaizen and limitless, if you applied to kaizen Limitless was used as a weeding system to see if you were good enough to be considered "Kaizen" type material. If you weren't good enough then they wouldn't accept you, but they would let you stay in limitless. They would also ask that you drop any other dynamis shell because Limitless was/is kaizen's form of dynamis.
 
Hexx said:
Agreed, why is Limitless being brought into the fray? Even IF they share a lot of members, if what Lyall and others said is true, and neither shell is supposed to affect the other, why does it matter if he flamed the "leader" of Kaizen?
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Because the kaizen leaders gave him the role of being the sponser. Pretty much what truegrave said already as well, if he can't work with kaizen leadership how can he work with almost the same people and lead them. Even I understand why he would be punished, though obviously dont want it to hurt anyone for friday dynamis.
 
jyakotsu said:
You fail to see? Honestly truegrave it isnt hard, all the people that do runs on mondays aren't your friends. And not as was stated some of the mondays group does runs on fridays. From an outsider looking in, you almost either A. Punish those that run on fridays(the people that want to support the full shell instead of fucking over someone who Truegrave doesn't like) because they can never do tavnazia or B. are really trying to punish Lyall from talking shit about your group(kaizen). Either way it isn't something that is very nice. If you are so deadset on doing this you should form a completely different shell for your monday's run and your thursday's run, but one that is not associated with kaizen or limitless... because if you obviously believe that fucking over the other half of your shell(because it will) then you really don't deserve the presitge that is associated with the name "Limitless"

The reason I say not associated with either is simply as follows, since the beginning of the shells kaizen and limitless, if you applied to kaizen Limitless was used as a weeding system to see if you were good enough to be considered "Kaizen" type material. If you weren't good enough then they wouldn't accept you, but they would let you stay in limitless. They would also ask that you drop any other dynamis shell because Limitless was/is kaizen's form of dynamis.
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sorry morning and tired still...
Not all of the members that do runs on mondays are your friends. And as was stated, some of the members on mondays do runs on fridays as well.
 
So yes, flame shouldn't have been made and there probably would have been less/no worry on losing dynamis and einherjar people like dejavu said. Expecially with saying stuff like "Kaizen is dead. Kaizen is gone. Kaizen will never be again. Look long and laugh, Quetz. Beware, newcomers from Midgardsormr. Behold, the death of a titan."
 
Arthur said:
Because the kaizen leaders gave him the role of being the sponser. Pretty much what truegrave said already as well, if he can't work with kaizen leadership how can he work with almost the same people and lead them. Even I understand why he would be punished, though obviously dont want it to hurt anyone for friday dynamis.
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Membership in Kaizen is not required to be a sponsor. That is why people like Toqabowl and Dragonsword were being considered for the position before Courtney decided on Lyall. I even want to say I think Alberic was sponsoring before joining Kaizen. Regardless, at the time Courtney told Alberic that membership in Kaizen have no bearing on Friday Dynamis sponsorship.
 
jyakotsu said:
If you are so deadset on doing this you should form a completely different shell for your monday's run and your thursday's run, but one that is not associated with kaizen or limitless... because if you obviously believe that fucking over the other half of your shell(because it will) then you really don't deserve the presitge that is associated with the name "Limitless"
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Funny you should say this… Monday runs no longer run under the limitless flag… Mondays are now a shell that Truegrave owns… with the blessings of the Kaizen leadership.

rampagesama said:
Membership in Kaizen is not required to be a sponsor. That is why people like Toqabowl and Dragonsword were being considered for the position before Courtney decided on Lyall. I even want to say I think Alberic was sponsoring before joining Kaizen. Regardless, at the time Courtney told Alberic that membership in Kaizen have no bearing on Friday Dynamis sponsorship.
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Membership in Kaizen is not required for Friday sponsorships but it has always been a requirement for Monday seeing as Monday the sponsor gets the 100 coins too and not just the singles. Other than being a Kaizen member being a stage 4 will weigh heavily on getting a sponsorship nod but at the end of the day Kaizen leadership made the choice.
 
Dejavu said:
Membership in Kaizen is not required for Friday sponsorships but it has always been a requirement for Monday seeing as Monday the sponsor gets the 100 coins too and not just the singles. Other than being a Kaizen member being a stage 4 will weigh heavily on getting a sponsorship nod but at the end of the day Kaizen leadership made the choice.
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rampagesama said:
Membership in Kaizen is not required to be a sponsor. That is why people like Toqabowl and Dragonsword were being considered for the position before Courtney decided on Lyall. I even want to say I think Alberic was sponsoring before joining Kaizen. Regardless, at the time Courtney told Alberic that membership in Kaizen have no bearing on Friday Dynamis sponsorship.
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I suppose I should have clarified it at the beginning of the post, but it was quite clear at the end of the post.
 
I wasnt trying to correct you just making the point that the decision is still not yours.
 
Dejavu said:
Funny you should say this… Monday runs no longer run under the limitless flag… Mondays are now a shell that Truegrave owns… with the blessings of the Kaizen leadership.
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I'm impressed; you're able to type mostly coherently even with TG and new!Limitless' dicks in your mouth. Again, we're still discussing Limitless why?
 
rampagesama said:
No one ever said it was my decision. I said Kaizen membership wasn't a requirement, so what are you getting at?
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=/ I never said it was though. I'm saying that its kaizen leadership choice who gets to sponser, yes its obvious but for people who don't know.
Some people here don't even know Limitless is Kaizen branch shell probably. Just trying to clear the confusion.
 
Dejavu said:
Funny you should say this… Monday runs no longer run under the limitless flag… Mondays are now a shell that Truegrave owns… with the blessings of the Kaizen leadership.



Membership in Kaizen is not required for Friday sponsorships but it has always been a requirement for Monday seeing as Monday the sponsor gets the 100 coins too and not just the singles. Other than being a Kaizen member being a stage 4 will weigh heavily on getting a sponsorship nod but at the end of the day Kaizen leadership made the choice.
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I am assuming(assumption) that TG along with the rest of the members running thursdays will drop Limitless pearls then? If so then cool, if not bad form. Also, is Friday's run allowed to run on mondays then? Out of curiosity what is your shell's new name? lol
 
rampagesama said:
@ Myrid: We didn't join the same Kaizen you joined. You joined a Kaizen that was a titan on Quetzalcoatl, one that made a successful run in HNMs before last year's Salvage duping bans. We joined an events shell that after setting 9+ months of precedent, tried to turn around and cram HNMs down our throats, not something we signed up for.
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So if they want to get back into HNM but you don't want to, just leave the shell quietly. Don't come crying to QCDN saying that you were forced out. The shell does what the majority of the shell wants.
 
Myrid said:
So if they want to get back into HNM but you don't want to, just leave the shell quietly. Don't come crying to QCDN saying that you were forced out. The shell does what the majority of the shell wants.
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I wanted to stay and help them with what they ACTUALLY do, not what they WISH they could do. But I wasn't given a choice. Just because I wasn't around in the hardcore Kaizen days, doesn't make this flame any less valid.
 
I never knew about any trial system with limitless and Kaizen, I just asked if I could join what looked like a nice dynamis shell that had many nice people I knew from my sky shell in it at the time (Rawr), people came and went as time passed by it all seemed fairly easy going to me I was even invited to do a salvage run with some Kaizen people once and at the time we even discussed how outside members could obtain gear.
 
Truegrave said:
In all regards, Limitless is its own entity, but when members of that entity do not get along with each other, you can have the same situation if people refuse to work together. Someone either A. gets the axe or B. You set aside petty bullshit and win.
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So, in light of a couple people who AREN'T Lyall getting kicked from Limitless-Einherjar tonight, I've gotta say, this was incredibly mature on Kaizen's part.
 
So uh... I guess this means I'm out of a dynamis shell?

Where's my "Son I am disappoint" image macro...
 
rampagesama said:
I wanted to stay and help them with what they ACTUALLY do, not what they WISH they could do. But I wasn't given a choice. Just because I wasn't around in the hardcore Kaizen days, doesn't make this flame any less valid.
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Too bad? I'm sorry? If they want to try to be hardcore again, who are you to say they can't? Who are you to get in their way?

You did have a choice. Go along with it, or get out. You chose the latter, but you decided to make a fuss about it too. You didn't HAVE to make a fuss about it.

If you guys had left quietly and not started flaming, you wouldn't have even been kicked from Limitless/etc. But it seems to me like you're the ones being hostile. You can't blame 'em for not wanting to play with people that are openly hostile toward them.
 
Myrid said:
Too bad? I'm sorry? If they want to try to be hardcore again, who are you to say they can't? Who are you to get in their way?

You did have a choice. Go along with it, or get out. You chose the latter, but you decided to make a fuss about it too. You didn't HAVE to make a fuss about it.

If you guys had left quietly and not started flaming, you wouldn't have even been kicked from Limitless/etc. But it seems to me like you're the ones being hostile. You can't blame 'em for not wanting to play with people that are openly hostile toward them.
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You can blame them when they are being hypocritical about "separate politics" for separate shells. But then again, would a decent and mature person expect from asstards like that. Good leadership doesnt let shit like that interfere with their shell. Petty bastards. I'm with Lyall and Rampage on this one.
 
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