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Haha for ur viewing pleasures, enjoy :arrow: :idea: :wink: [/quote]
kaizen.. what u did was just low
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Haha for ur viewing pleasures, enjoy :arrow: :idea: :wink: [/quote]
these flameboards are the reason why the server is behind the other servers, people flaming everyone, trying to ruin one's reputation, ultimately can trust anybody, etc.
Kaizen and NH don't want this red tape, they seem to be in good graces why screw them by making it worse?
Far as I'm concern I think every major HNMls should avoid these boards but what do I know?
Kaizen and NH don't want this red tape, they seem to be in good graces why screw them by making it worse?
Far as I'm concern I think every major HNMls should avoid these boards but what do I know?
these flameboards are the reason why the server is behind the other servers, people flaming everyone, trying to ruin one's reputation, ultimately can't trust anybody, etc.
Kaizen and NH don't want this red tape, they seem to be in good graces why screw them by making it worse?
Far as I'm concern I think every major HNMls should avoid these boards but what do I know?
Kaizen and NH don't want this red tape, they seem to be in good graces why screw them by making it worse?
Far as I'm concern I think every major HNMls should avoid these boards but what do I know?
these flameboards are the reason why the server is behind the other servers, people flaming everyone, trying to ruin one's reputation, ultimately can't trust anybody, etc.
Kaizen and NH don't want this red tape, they seem to be in good graces why screw them by making it worse?
Far as I'm concern I think every major HNMls should avoid these boards but what do I know?
Kaizen and NH don't want this red tape, they seem to be in good graces why screw them by making it worse?
Far as I'm concern I think every major HNMls should avoid these boards but what do I know?
damn triple post
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Well NH got it to 40 percent they can probably beat it one day or the other.THis can be considered a practice session.CFH was a common human mistake and it happens.God forgives people so should you!.And i think kaizen should have let NH try to fight it again after they logged on cuz... its a very hard HNM and mm its like the first NA ls is trying it but o well its ok.You can all flame me instead of a LS let me start a topic!!
For those of you who care about the Kaizen reply, here we go.
First of all, I'm sorry NH got so upset over this incident, we in no way were doing anything with ill will. Ever since Lucifar got Tiamat to 1% on a weekday night (even though they wiped to spike flail at that point) we as a shell have hounded the spawn. We check it multiple times every day when the window is open, we intend to kill it when it spawns, not when someone else goes for it. On this particular day our original plan was to gather for it at 6-7 pm est, when we expected to have the numbers. 6 pm est rolled around and NH was there, so we delayed it as long as we felt comfortable before we felt we'd lose members to work/school the next day.We were kind of hoping you'd be happy for the 4 hours that we did give you, but obviously that was wishful thinking.
We felt that if Tiamat was not killed before we went to bed, Lucifar would kill it before we would have a chance the next day, and what other NA shell would want to "reserve" Tiamat for 12 hours the next day, who knows. This was nothing against NH, if you managed the win most of us would have been happy for you. However our own history shows us that the likelyhood of that occuring on that night was extremely low, allow me to explain. Tiamat works in 4 tiers. The first tier, which it seems you guys have about figured out is the simplest, 100% hp to 50% hp. Mistakes can be made, recovery is simple. The second tier, 50% to 10% is pretty much the same fight except that Tiamat spams mighty strikes, and a mighty strikes double attack has the potential to one shot any tank in the game pretty much. One mistake can result in a tank dying. The third tier becomes exponentially more difficult from 10% to 5% as he starts spamming tp moves more. Finally the fourth tier from 5% to 0% is constant meditate, and constant tp spam, hate and mp are extremely difficult to manage. Considering our track record against him as a shell, once you've gotten him to 5%, you're about halfway done with figuring out the fight.
Fast foward to after we've gathered at Tiamat, currently engaged by NH. The order is given in the ls to wait until Tiamat is unclaimed and at full hp and then to claim and engage. At somewhere around 50% hp we see that it gets CFH'ed. All hate was lost and Tiamat began to regen, CFH wore off at around 70% hp. At 97% we're all about ready to run in and it got claimed by someone named eternalangel (not our shell). At this point we saw several shouts or says, I forget which, from maseki telling everyone not to fight it, there weren't enough tanks up. Eternalangel died, Tiamat lost hate again, we took our que and engaged. At this point we were bombarded with says, shouts, tells, you name it. Everything from being called "greedy assholes" to maseki shouting that we'd be mpk'ed when Tiamat was at 1%. I'm sorry to say but our sympathy level was non existant by that point.
Our policy with Tiamat is simply this, it is a HNM. HNM's are not subject to schedules, they do not show up whenever you'd like them to. Some day other people, maybe NH, will be able to kill Tiamat and we will have more active competition and it will feel more like the other HNM's. I will admit that we have a luxery in being one of the few shells that can kill it, but it's not like we didn't work for it and earn it. We even had to wipe to all our crummy ideas first to figure out what worked, which the rest of the server can now simply copy. We're happy to see good shells and good people improve, but if you want to get us to spare a few hours in the future, namecalling and mpk threats aren't the way to get there.
First of all, I'm sorry NH got so upset over this incident, we in no way were doing anything with ill will. Ever since Lucifar got Tiamat to 1% on a weekday night (even though they wiped to spike flail at that point) we as a shell have hounded the spawn. We check it multiple times every day when the window is open, we intend to kill it when it spawns, not when someone else goes for it. On this particular day our original plan was to gather for it at 6-7 pm est, when we expected to have the numbers. 6 pm est rolled around and NH was there, so we delayed it as long as we felt comfortable before we felt we'd lose members to work/school the next day.We were kind of hoping you'd be happy for the 4 hours that we did give you, but obviously that was wishful thinking.
We felt that if Tiamat was not killed before we went to bed, Lucifar would kill it before we would have a chance the next day, and what other NA shell would want to "reserve" Tiamat for 12 hours the next day, who knows. This was nothing against NH, if you managed the win most of us would have been happy for you. However our own history shows us that the likelyhood of that occuring on that night was extremely low, allow me to explain. Tiamat works in 4 tiers. The first tier, which it seems you guys have about figured out is the simplest, 100% hp to 50% hp. Mistakes can be made, recovery is simple. The second tier, 50% to 10% is pretty much the same fight except that Tiamat spams mighty strikes, and a mighty strikes double attack has the potential to one shot any tank in the game pretty much. One mistake can result in a tank dying. The third tier becomes exponentially more difficult from 10% to 5% as he starts spamming tp moves more. Finally the fourth tier from 5% to 0% is constant meditate, and constant tp spam, hate and mp are extremely difficult to manage. Considering our track record against him as a shell, once you've gotten him to 5%, you're about halfway done with figuring out the fight.
Fast foward to after we've gathered at Tiamat, currently engaged by NH. The order is given in the ls to wait until Tiamat is unclaimed and at full hp and then to claim and engage. At somewhere around 50% hp we see that it gets CFH'ed. All hate was lost and Tiamat began to regen, CFH wore off at around 70% hp. At 97% we're all about ready to run in and it got claimed by someone named eternalangel (not our shell). At this point we saw several shouts or says, I forget which, from maseki telling everyone not to fight it, there weren't enough tanks up. Eternalangel died, Tiamat lost hate again, we took our que and engaged. At this point we were bombarded with says, shouts, tells, you name it. Everything from being called "greedy assholes" to maseki shouting that we'd be mpk'ed when Tiamat was at 1%. I'm sorry to say but our sympathy level was non existant by that point.
Our policy with Tiamat is simply this, it is a HNM. HNM's are not subject to schedules, they do not show up whenever you'd like them to. Some day other people, maybe NH, will be able to kill Tiamat and we will have more active competition and it will feel more like the other HNM's. I will admit that we have a luxery in being one of the few shells that can kill it, but it's not like we didn't work for it and earn it. We even had to wipe to all our crummy ideas first to figure out what worked, which the rest of the server can now simply copy. We're happy to see good shells and good people improve, but if you want to get us to spare a few hours in the future, namecalling and mpk threats aren't the way to get there.
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Can we lock this topic now >.>
Let me start off by saying that this post was made minutes after the event where tempers were still high and things were said that were not ment out of frustration.
NH does not think that Tiamat was stolen, Kaizen had every right to claim as any other ls would have done. If we are going by rules of HNM, then it was all fair. The hurt feelings are a result of thinking that Kaizen was a "friend" ls, and as such would see that the CFH was a mistake and not a wipe. (The only reason for any deaths were as people were trying to log out, as CFH will not go away while the mob is claimed we had to log/die) I define "friend ls" as a ls that will help out with MPK attempts, adds, and will leave you in peace if you have claim on a mob. That may just be my fantasy way of think but there it is.
So now we know that to be the second NA ls to kill Tiamat will be harder than the first because we won't have the same chances to make mistakes that Kaizen did, no problem, have to learn someway. I would like to mention however that if the leaders of Kaizen had informed the leaders of NH that they were going to claim when CFH wore NH would have done some things differently or at the very least not been surprised enough to have made this post out of frustration.
So now we understand that it is a free for all, last man standing wins. General courtesy's need not be bothered with. However for my part I would like to apoligize to Kaizen for the implication that they stole and anything rude or uncalled for that was said to them during the heat of the moment. Remember that the people behind those video game characters are real people and people make mistakes.
NH does not think that Tiamat was stolen, Kaizen had every right to claim as any other ls would have done. If we are going by rules of HNM, then it was all fair. The hurt feelings are a result of thinking that Kaizen was a "friend" ls, and as such would see that the CFH was a mistake and not a wipe. (The only reason for any deaths were as people were trying to log out, as CFH will not go away while the mob is claimed we had to log/die) I define "friend ls" as a ls that will help out with MPK attempts, adds, and will leave you in peace if you have claim on a mob. That may just be my fantasy way of think but there it is.
So now we know that to be the second NA ls to kill Tiamat will be harder than the first because we won't have the same chances to make mistakes that Kaizen did, no problem, have to learn someway. I would like to mention however that if the leaders of Kaizen had informed the leaders of NH that they were going to claim when CFH wore NH would have done some things differently or at the very least not been surprised enough to have made this post out of frustration.
So now we understand that it is a free for all, last man standing wins. General courtesy's need not be bothered with. However for my part I would like to apoligize to Kaizen for the implication that they stole and anything rude or uncalled for that was said to them during the heat of the moment. Remember that the people behind those video game characters are real people and people make mistakes.
I'm not going to post about the fight, since I wasn't there, and unlike the people I'm about to flame, I don't go and put my nose in stuff i wasn't there to see...
Now for the fun part, about all you people who weren't there and posted in this thread
WHO THE FREAKING HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? You think you're like Jesus or something being everywhere at the same time?! This is just happening too freaking often on this flameboard. Someone starts a topic about something that happened, a few people that were involved reply, which is perfectly ok, and then you have a bunch of idiots that start litteraly telling people that were there what they should've done, calling them idiots while they weren't even there! Damn *@%#$?#% you weren't even there, nobody asked you your opinion, wtf are you to go and speak stuff like "the person that did this is an idiot" or "Brain, can I use it".....And now you're gonna answer "Yeah well this person told me that...", i won't comment this, unless saying it's freaking BS. I can tell you I'm superman, and it has the exact same reliability that what you were told.
I'm not blaming the people that were there, they perfectly have the right to post.... but you bunch of noobs that just lose time thinking you're better than anyone and calling people that were there idiots cause of what happened while you weren't even close to the event...Get a freaking life.
Now for the fun part, about all you people who weren't there and posted in this thread
WHO THE FREAKING HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? You think you're like Jesus or something being everywhere at the same time?! This is just happening too freaking often on this flameboard. Someone starts a topic about something that happened, a few people that were involved reply, which is perfectly ok, and then you have a bunch of idiots that start litteraly telling people that were there what they should've done, calling them idiots while they weren't even there! Damn *@%#$?#% you weren't even there, nobody asked you your opinion, wtf are you to go and speak stuff like "the person that did this is an idiot" or "Brain, can I use it".....And now you're gonna answer "Yeah well this person told me that...", i won't comment this, unless saying it's freaking BS. I can tell you I'm superman, and it has the exact same reliability that what you were told.
I'm not blaming the people that were there, they perfectly have the right to post.... but you bunch of noobs that just lose time thinking you're better than anyone and calling people that were there idiots cause of what happened while you weren't even close to the event...Get a freaking life.
Lol maseki sure likes to spread rumors about his shell being mpked. What a tool.
I am still waiting for you to rub it in dave and maseki, how many trys is this now? Call for helps? Whiney threads? Lol give me a break.
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Vandoura said:
I still find it utterly ironic that people ask the thread to be locked, even though this would already be a 30-page flame about how stupid and moronic and unethical OH is if we were Kaizen in this situation.
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Aeron said:
Read the first post, no one asked for your oppinion either, only person who had a right to even post here by your logic was Phazen. I'll do what I want on the flameboard, thank you. Everyone loves it when it's my LS on the spotlight, I guess I like it when it's other's.
vang said:
Because Kaizen killed tiamat on their first try, right vang? from what I've read Tiamat isn't all that hard if you have the right setup for it, you just need to figure out what to do, which will take a few wipes.
and CFH's, and whiney threads, and Maseki MPK accusations etc etc blah blah blah...
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further more Susan I wouldn't be the least bit suprised to learn that all four of them habitually smoke marijuana ciragettes.
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vang said:
I agree with you on that topic =P NH does seem to whine a bit too much.
But just sayin' as long as they keep it up, they'll be able to kill tiamat and even jorg soon. (assuming they can claim >.> )
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phazen said:
Right.. so obviously that day you killed Tiamat at 3am EST was just.. what? Luck?
phazen said:
I have a friend in Lucifar's Wyrm killing shell. (the combination of the other JP shells and such). They haven't touched the wyrms since they killed Vrtra a bit ago. Haven't made any plans to kill it. As for other NA LS.. why shouldn't they get a fair chance atleast once like you do? You could have easily gone and killed Jorm or another Wyrm instead of sit and watch us, huh? I am pretty sure Vrtra was and still is up and Jorm is almost never killed. That's what NH will do.. if a wyrm we try is being killed we go after sky things or another wyrm. What's so bad about letting others give a try against Wyrms? and Wyrms aren't exactly like HNMs. These take 3-8 days to repop (similar to the land gods). These are slightly different than HNM. And it was suggested things be worked out like turns or something months ago by Maseki but you guys seemed to have the "that won't be necessary" attitude.
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Maseki said:
Oh so you did accuse Kaizen of MPK?
Once again if you don't beat her don't brag no one cares. Kaizen didn't come in here every other week:
Omgz got her to 83%, next week : Omgz 74%, next week OMgz 43%
Beat her, then talk shit to me please. Bragging about failure is not the best approach to take with me. You don't think I could make sure you never kill Tiamat? I have 3-4 people that PM me a day frothing at the mouth to mpk multiple people for gil that I can make in one sitting synthing.
But I want you to win, prove me wrong. Do something other than look like slobbering whiney bitches all day on QCDN please. I feel like I am rooting for the retarded kid in a fight. Everyone cheers for you and when you fail time and time again and the skilled opponent makes mince meat of your challenge (Kaizen vs Tiamat) well then you just need to get back up, dust off them Osh Koshes and go back at her. Make sure you make another thread about how you had her at 45% this time and keep me updated because I applaud "Almost" winning... not really
Once again I said I was done with end game 3 months ago, I level THF and make gil. That's what I do.
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