Karla Homolka (warning, not a nice story)

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Maybe some of you know the name. How about Paul Bernardo? Those of us that lives in Canada (and or over 22-23 yo) most definately remember those 2 names, that couple that made the news 13 years ago for horrific crimes.

For those who don't, here are 2 sites that I find have the best recap of the whole story:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla_Homolka#External_links

http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/badgirls/homolka.htm

You probably also heard of the upcoming movie, Deadly. Well, that is the story of Karla Homolka. I think it's scheduled to be released soon, after the famillies of the victims approve it.

Basically, here's what happened: Karla and Paul were a couple that seemed like the perfect one. But they had a saddist little secret and that was to abduct, rape and kill (one of them dismembered) little girls, as young as 12. Not only that, but their first victim was actually Karla's little sister, that she offered to Paul, on Christmas Eve, in her parents house while they were asleep in the next room.

Eventually, they were caught, I'll let you read the whole story from the 2 sites mentionned above. Karla is the one that came forth and said Paul was the Scarborough's rapist (he had rape more women then they killed). Doing that, she was in a good position to play they victim of Paul's mind-game. She talked to the DA and made a deal with them. She would testify against Paul and help them convict him and in return, they she would be sentenced to 12 years in prison for participating. A somewhat weak sentence given the crimes, but only because she was in a way a victim as well.

Or was she..... after the judgement had been passed and she was sentenced, inspectors found tapes at the Bernardo's house, showing that Karla was as much a participant as Paul was, if not even more. The tapes displayed how twisted this person was. But it was too late, she had already been snetenced and one person cannot be judged twice for the same crime.

So, she basically fooled the inspectors. Of course, she was denied any chance of getting out of jail earlier then at the end of the sentence. So what good was it for her to work on therapy, if it was not going to help her get out? That area I think is still blur, wether or not she followed therapy seriously.

And now, it has been 12 years. At the age of 35, Karla Homolka will be released from prison in 3 weeks. Rumors are claiming she would move to Montreal or somewhere in Quebec, under a different name of course. Every specialist that have examined her recently, every cell-mates that lived with her all say the same thing: she is still very much dangerous. She has made no progress, showed no remorse for what she has done. And in 3 weeks, that person will be set free and there is nothing no one can do about it.

Well.... DAs in Ontario and Quebec are trying to do something, have a motion to have her put under surveillance. So here comes my question to you guys, what do you think of all this.

Having this person, if she is still dangerous, walking freely amongst us is a scary tought. Having her put under surveillance would be the thing to do. But technically, she has served her time, she is now, in the eyes of the law, a free citizen like you and I.

So, if indeed there is something done, wether it's restrictions on places to go or people to see, constant surveillance of her whereabouts and activities, it sets a precedent. If the law allows it for Karla, then technically, any free citizen can be put under the same kind of surveillance/ conditions, simply for being suspected of being dangerous.

Now, before confusing 2 different situation, one may say that they already do it when someone is suspected of a crime.... but Karla committed no crimes yet. The ones she did, 12 years ago, she served her sentenced.

So, don't get me wrong, I am all for keeping an eye on her, but does'nt it violated some kind of right that we all have, called our privacy?

Please discuss.

By the way, Paul Bernardo was sentenced to life, with a minimum of 25 years.
 
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They don't look like most of the rapist I see on TV.
They look like any ordinary couple. :/
 
How tragic it is to be letting them out, there's almost nothing we can do. I'm sure the police will be keeping a close eye on her, and so will federal investigators.

Honestly, I can't believe she tricked everyone like that. ; -;

It's a sad day for humankind.
 
I remember watching something about this on the History channel or somesuch, and they actually had a snippet of a film they took of one of their victims. Fucked up stuff.
 
"Basically, here's what happened: Karla and Paul were a couple that seemed like the perfect one. But they had a saddist little secret and that was to abduct, rape and kill (one of them dismembered) little girls, as young as 12."

A mother in Plano, TX dismembered her little girl in the name of GOD. Some Priest all over work in the name of GOD and fuck little boys. Christian or Sadist; spare the generlizations and just call them horrible human beings....They both have their good and they both have their bad but to say they had a sick secret they were sadistic is not right.

As for her comming out of jail. The Countries Police needs to grow some balls and do this lady in for good. the fact that she used trickery on them to get were she is today should make it all the worse on her but noooo. I'm sorry and I don't mean any offense to you but your countries political figures that do matter and do make stuff happen in Canada are to soft. She will walk and if she kills again they will get her for good and live with the nice fact they ARE ALL KILLERS, her for killing and them for giving her a second chance to kill....
 
Strid said:
Christian or Sadist; spare the generlizations and just call them horrible human beings....They both have their good and they both have their bad but to say they had a sick secret they were sadistic is not right.
sa·dism (sdzm, sdz-)
n.

1. The deriving of sexual gratification or the tendency to derive sexual gratification from inflicting pain or emotional abuse on others.
2. The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from cruelty.
3. Extreme cruelty.

Calling two people who raped and murdered underage girls and had fun doing it sadists is not a generalization. A generalization is something like "All pot smokers make bad grades" or "All black people smoke crack." There is enough evidence in those articles to infer that they enjoyed torturing those they did, and that is enough to call them sadists.
 
I believe they made an episode of "Homicide: Life on the Street" based in part on this couple and their crimes, right down to the dead sister. Very strange.
 
Veresko said:
Maybe some of you know the name. How about Paul Bernardo?

I sure as hell do and I'm just turning 19.
However, I live in Scarborough, very close to where those two lived. I have a friend who lives right down the street from their house.

Veresko said:
You probably also heard of the upcoming movie, Deadly. Well, that is the story of Karla Homolka. I think it's scheduled to be released soon, after the famillies of the victims approve it.

If I remember correctly, feel free to prove me wrong because I probably am, I believe this is banned in Canada. It will only be released in the US and people are just praying that it won't glorify them in anyway.

Also, if I remember correctly, there are groups that are trying to have the movie banned all over, disposed of sounds more like the plan to me.

Veresko said:
Rumors are claiming she would move to Montreal or somewhere in Quebec, under a different name of course.

Yes, she is going to Quebec for the first bit. She has been allowed to visit her father who recently fell ill.
I believe she is moving there to be near her father.
It's amazing that he family still accepts her, even though what she's done to her sister. It's been said that she convinced her family that it was all Paul's doing to her sister, and they just want to believe her.

Veresko said:
So, don't get me wrong, I am all for keeping an eye on her, but does'nt it violated some kind of right that we all have, called our privacy?

I think it was said best on America's Most Wanted. I can't remember the quote exactly, but here's the just of it.
People who have committed crimes like this have given up their rights and should be treated as dangerous criminals until proven otherwise.

Veresko said:
By the way, Paul Bernardo was sentenced to life, with a minimum of 25 years.

Yes, this is because Karla was a very smart person, and managed to pin -everything- on Paul.

Argenin said:
They don't look like most of the rapist I see on TV.
They look like any ordinary couple. :/

Yes, and apparently she had a very normal and happy childhood. Somewhere along the way, she snapped. She says it was Paul's influence.

Strid said:
I'm sorry and I don't mean any offense to you but your countries political figures that do matter and do make stuff happen in Canada are to soft.

I agree with this actually. She did the crime, so she should be stuck in jail for life with her boyfriend.
I wouldn't say it's the political figures, but the system and the judge who decided the length of time that she would serve. She was very smart and pinned everything on Paul, keeping her time to a minimum.
 
Mr.Wonko said:
Strid said:
Christian or Sadist; spare the generlizations and just call them horrible human beings....They both have their good and they both have their bad but to say they had a sick secret they were sadistic is not right.
sa·dism (sdzm, sdz-)
n.

1. The deriving of sexual gratification or the tendency to derive sexual gratification from inflicting pain or emotional abuse on others.
2. The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from cruelty.
3. Extreme cruelty.

Calling two people who raped and murdered underage girls and had fun doing it sadists is not a generalization. A generalization is something like "All pot smokers make bad grades" or "All black people smoke crack." There is enough evidence in those articles to infer that they enjoyed torturing those they did, and that is enough to call them sadists.

correct you are. 7/10 people don't know the meaning of this word nor do they seperate it from the religious beliefs form. However, if you examine his use of the word further in context it's correct but in form it's unclear so I wanted to throw that out there just in case he had know idea of the word fully just using it as the most horrific word he could find to call the "dream". Him saying "A dream of sadism" (using the word in its correct form) would have spared my comment.
 
Strid said:
Mr.Wonko said:
Strid said:
Christian or Sadist; spare the generlizations and just call them horrible human beings....They both have their good and they both have their bad but to say they had a sick secret they were sadistic is not right.
sa·dism (sdzm, sdz-)
n.

1. The deriving of sexual gratification or the tendency to derive sexual gratification from inflicting pain or emotional abuse on others.
2. The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from cruelty.
3. Extreme cruelty.

Calling two people who raped and murdered underage girls and had fun doing it sadists is not a generalization. A generalization is something like "All pot smokers make bad grades" or "All black people smoke crack." There is enough evidence in those articles to infer that they enjoyed torturing those they did, and that is enough to call them sadists.

correct you are. 7/10 people don't know the meaning of this word nor do they seperate it from the religious beliefs form. However, if you examine his use of the word further in context it's correct but in form it's unclear so I wanted to throw that out there just in case he had know idea of the word fully just using it as the most horrific word he could find to call the "dream". Him saying "A dream of sadism" (using the word in its correct form) would have spared my comment.
First off, 68% of statistics are made up on the spot.
Also, I don't follow you. What "religious beliefs form"? I wasn't aware of any prevalent religion that purported sadism as one its primary tenets. It would have been grammatically correct of Veresko to say "But they had a sadistic little secret..." but there's no real reason to point that out. And...what dream are you talking about?
 
Wikipedia said:
Because she has served her full term, there will be no monitoring of her as in a parole-type situation. However, numerous provinces have been supportive of the suggestion of filing an application under Section 810.2 of the Canada Criminal Code which would, among other things, prohibit Homolka from contacting convicted sex offenders, using illegal drugs, or spending protracted amounts of time with youths in addition to requiring her to keep the local police informed of her general activities such as her place of residence and employment, with a penalty of a maximum two year prison term for violation.

That's funny... But, yeah, it would be legal to check her out in a way. She just has to check herself, or else... :twisted:
 
Mr.Wonko said:
First off, 68% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Much like the stat in that comment eh :wink:

Mr.Wonko said:
Also, I don't follow you. What "religious beliefs form"? I wasn't aware of any prevalent religion that purported sadism as one its primary tenets.

This comment leads me to believe you are just arguing for the sake of it...like a high school girl over makeup brands.... I was referring to Satanism (duh :roll: ) how could you miss that.. However, where did I say sadism was part of its rituals ? I didn't.. Most people who partake in this are called Sadist, Devil worshippers, and many other things. The religion itself is often called Sadism... So Sadist is about like the word "cool" ( two meanings). However, which meaning is most commonly heard ? I'n my opinion the one that supports the comment "Yo man that Joe guy is cool" not "hey man it's cool in this freezer" most would say cold from my experiances...

Mr.Wonko said:
It would have been grammatically correct of Veresko to say "But they had a sadistic little secret..." but there's no real reason to point that out.

Oh contrare there most certainly is if you understand everything I have said...and honestly I don't get how you haven't....

Mr.Wonko said:
And...what dream are you talking about?

Now this is irrelevant...draw a conclusion it's easy to see. I used dream instead of secret my bad, :oops: . Still they carry the same context of the sentance structure...this was not the main word under the microscope.

Stop arguing with me for the sake of doing it, I don't have time for this...
 
Strid, that post really didn't make much sense. Maybe it did to you, because you knew what you were talking about. I've never heard a Satanist being referred to as a sadist, anyway. I just call them idiots >.>
And why are you defending them? Sadists are people that enjoy hurting others, I think named after the Marquis de Sade, or something like that... and it's "Au contraire"... ^^
 
Answa~ said:
Strid, that post really didn't make much sense. Maybe it did to you, because you knew what you were talking about. I've never heard a Satanist being referred to as a sadist, anyway. I just call them idiots >.>And why are you defending them? Sadists are people that enjoy hurting others, I think named after the Marquis de Sade, or something like that... and it's "Au contraire"... ^^

And what country do you live in ?

So because some follow a religion not based on Christianity in any way they are idiots...gotcha :roll: hypocritical christians gotta love them :lol:

I never defended a TRUE sadist. Yea, did a double take...never did it.

:idea: :roll:
 
Strid said:
Mr.Wonko said:
Also, I don't follow you. What "religious beliefs form"? I wasn't aware of any prevalent religion that purported sadism as one its primary tenets.

This comment leads me to believe you are just arguing for the sake of it...like a high school girl over makeup brands.... I was referring to Satanism (duh :roll: ) how could you miss that.. However, where did I say sadism was part of its rituals ? I didn't.. Most people who partake in this are called Sadist, Devil worshippers, and many other things. The religion itself is often called Sadism... So Sadist is about like the word "cool" ( two meanings). However, which meaning is most commonly heard ? I'n my opinion the one that supports the comment "Yo man that Joe guy is cool" not "hey man it's cool in this freezer" most would say cold from my experiances...
No, the correct term is Satanist. Sadism is not a religion. And really, this is a very incoherent and wandering post. Plus, I said "prevalent religion" and Satanism is in no way prevalent, and I'm also sceptical about it being an actual religion. What religion makes you pay $200 to join? I dunno.



Stop arguing with me for the sake of doing it, I don't have time for this...
I am not arguing just for the sake of arguing, I am just wondering what the hell you are talking about. Seriously, I've read fifth grade papers with more purpose and meaning than what you have posted. And how much time can it take to type a bunch poorly phrased sentences?
 
Myst said:
Veresko said:
You probably also heard of the upcoming movie, Deadly. Well, that is the story of Karla Homolka. I think it's scheduled to be released soon, after the famillies of the victims approve it.

If I remember correctly, feel free to prove me wrong because I probably am, I believe this is banned in Canada. It will only be released in the US and people are just praying that it won't glorify them in anyway.

Also, if I remember correctly, there are groups that are trying to have the movie banned all over, disposed of sounds more like the plan to me.

Why don't they just release the video of them torturing their victims? I'd rather see that and pay money to see it than just another horrow movie. I'm sure there'd be lots of people who'd go to see it too! Hmmmm speaking of which..... Anyone know anyplace where I could download the video?
 
It would be considered child pornography, the girl in said video was 15 years old. Also, the authorities destroyed the tape after the trial was over, so I would doubt any copy survived. These two were sick. I think she should have to do more time..But..

She didnt trick everyone, she just lied and got away with it for a moment. They werent looking at her, they were trying to convict him (of various rape charges and the murders), and to get her to testify against him they wrote up a plea bargain. It was -after- she agreed to this bargain that they found the tapes and saw her full involvement. But, since the authorities had their hands tied with their own haste, they could only keep the original twelve year charge against her. It was ordained within this agreement that she would serve her twelve years without parole, so that when she was released she would have no probationary period to exist outside, no monitoring, nothing. She weasled good, but blame the police and detectives for their haste and using her as a chip. Its their fault she's getting out.

As much as I hate to say it, shes served her time properly and should be treated like an average citizen. Its not justice, but its fair.
 
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