Knights of the Round Weaponskill?

Relics...

Spharai: meh, Attack +20 Counter +10 is good
Mandau: SATA rape, but don't use on something you wanna sleep
Excalibur: meh, Additional Effect: Rape is good
Ragnarok: meh, Accuracy +20 is good, probably better than scythe
Guttler: lolbst
Bravura: SATA rape, and comes with free debuffs
Apocalypse: meh, Accuracy +20 is good
Gugnir: Geirskogul has additional effect: shock spikes... loldrg
Kikioku: Anyone tried SATA Blade: Metsu? It's one hit. >.>
Amanomurakumo: Obscene skillchain ability, with extra obscene skillchain ability
Mjollnir: lolwhm
Claustrum: lolsmn/blm
Gjallarhorn: Do I even need to go into how awsome it is?
Yoichinoyumi: Probably 5th-best relic, due to ranged attack
Annihilator: Same as bow, and comes with free enmity down
Aegis: Do I even need to go into how awsome it is?

In other words:

Sheild / Horn -> Great Katana -> Great Axe / Dagger -> Bow / Gun -> H2H / Sword / Great Sword / Scythe / Katana / Polearm -> Axe / Club / Staff
 
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so can you compile like the best from the worst then? it seems that half of them are bad.....
 
Khidir said:
so can you compile like the best from the worst then? it seems that half of them are bad.....
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Done, and at the end of the list...

last relic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best non-relic

To clarify... All of them are OBSCENELY powerful, but as far as end-game is concerned (structured skillchains, tanking, reducing damage, killing faster, etc), that's their order. A WHM could easilally argue that, for him, Club is the best, even better than having a BRD with Horn supporting. But a WHM can't exactly melee a HNM for the TP he needs to make the Club work.
 
Pole arm's DPS is pretty sick, I believe its the highest out of them all besides excalibur?

Also, dragoon is so useless endgame because their WS's pretty much suck major ass. If gugnir's WS is a decent upgrade, which it should be, it could bring drg up to like, drk status (drk w/o kraken) in terms of HNMs. Maybe. Then again, that still isn't saying much >.>

IDK about gun being up there in terms of great relics, the WS dmg is slightly less than sidewinder/slug shot from what I've heard, and gun is so slow. The bow might be interesting, especially in the hands of maybe a sam with soboro? ^^ I think Muteki uses that combo on some other server.
 
Mai Ikari said:
Relics...

Kikioku: Anyone tried SATA Blade: Metsu? It's one hit. >.>
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It also surprisingly is based entirely off of DEX as its damage modifier. You are correct, the confirmation of the 4 hit animation vs the actual 1 hit was made. Also gives a Dual Wield bonus after Metsu is performed. Pretty cool, but you are correct, merely a toy.

The Aegis and Gjallarhorn are by far the best choice of relic at the moment, along with the relic Great Katana following closely behind.
 
Zoolander said:
Pole arm's DPS is pretty sick, I believe its the highest out of them all besides excalibur?

Also, dragoon is so useless endgame because their WS's pretty much suck major ass. If gugnir's WS is a decent upgrade, which it should be, it could bring drg up to like, drk status (drk w/o kraken) in terms of HNMs. Maybe. Then again, that still isn't saying much >.>

IDK about gun being up there in terms of great relics, the WS dmg is slightly less than sidewinder/slug shot from what I've heard, and gun is so slow. The bow might be interesting, especially in the hands of maybe a sam with soboro? ^^ I think Muteki uses that combo on some other server.
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The bow is very close to sidewinder, and a billion times more accurate, a win-win situation. The gun's saving grace is the massive enmity reduction on Coronach... prettymuch a Relic Gun RNG won't get hate, ever. Especially from Berserk -> Coronach -> Barrage -> Coronach

A Soboro SAM would be lucky to hit above 0 on a HNM, due to the horrible DMG on the weapon... but it's not like I've personally tried, it might be very good.

And of course, DPS means nothing on any relic. DPS is for parties and dynamis. WS is for end-game targets. So that's why the GKT and GAX really shine, because of the strength of their WS's at 100% TP (and in GKT's case, obscene TP gain. Did I mention obscene TP gain?). And that's the other strength of relic, that you don't have to save up to 300% for a good WS.
 
Shit guys. Aegis was awesome before Shield Mastery was applied to Paladins. I'd wager it trumps horn now.

Even higher block rate/damage reduction, plus the enhanced TP gain, a PLD could probably fire off a ton of weaponskills in an EXP PT with it now. And, again, if the Paladin happens to be using a club(such as Morgenstern or Martial Wand,) y halo ther moonlightsouttheass.
 
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Well gtk is something a sam wears. Think about samurai and tp and you know why its strong.
Mandau is simply the strongest dagger out there and is +6dmg higher than a blau coupled with an amazingly low delay and the added effect of poison which is basically serket poison for 20 hp tic, the fact that thf gain tp like bastards, the fact that thf can and will ws every 30 seconds if they're geared for it and the huge number of skillchains that amounts to per fight makes it so good.
 
Eulore said:
Can anyone explain what GKT, GAxe, and knife do? I don't know much about those.
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Easy.


GKT = SAM = lots of WS's. On top of that, it has Accuracy+20, Additional Effect: Weakens Attacks, DMG:88, and Tachi: Kaiten. Tachi: Kaiten is fTP 3.00 STR_60%, about equal in strength to Tachi: Gekko, maybe a bit stronger. The WS has additional effect: Store TP +7, which is quite strong. On top of all this... Tachi: Kaiten -> Tachi: Kaiten = Light, and should be continuable for double Light, all from 1 SAM's Meikyo Shisui.

GAX = WAR = Steel Cyclone version 2. Accuracy +20, additional effect: evasion down, DMG: 99, and Metatron Torment. Torment is weaker than Steel Cyclone, but only needs 100% TP for a fTP 2.75 STR_60% WS. Additional effect defense -12.5% on the WS, too.

Dagger = THF = SATA goodness. DMG 32 on a delay 176 dagger, Attack +20, additional effect poison 20hp/tic, and Mercy Stroke. I haven't been able to find the modifiers for Mercy Stroke, it's not listed at Studio Gobli, but from what I've heard, it's an incredibly powerful SATA WS. And we all know how good it is for THF to close SATA. In addition, whereas GAX and GKT continue Light, Dagger continues Darkness. Additional effect critical rate + on the WS, not impressive outside of exp.

Oh, and one last thing to note... Coronach and Namas Arrow are the only time that the choice between Gun and Bow makes a difference skillchain-wise. Coronach continues Darkness, Namas Arrow continues Light.
 
Dancing Edge > Mercy Stroke from what I heard, but then again Mercy Stroke raises critical hit rate temporarily, no?
 
Criticals wont' make much of a difference, and is this 100% or 300% Dancing Edge? Everyone always compares 300% WS's to relic WS's, when the entire concept behind relic is to be a WS that you use at 100% TP for nearly the effect of a different 300% TP WS, and thus get higher DoT.
 
Here's one for ya, right after Bramd got Excalibur, they claimed fafnir. This is how it went.

Bramd uses "Knights of the Round".
Fafnir takes 6 dmg.
/point /laugh
/equip main "joyeuse"
 
from what I remember of pic posted on KI mercy stroke is approx 1.4-1.8 times as strong as dancing edge using the mandau and to boot gives a bonus to the sc damage of 50%
 
Mai Ikari said:
Criticals wont' make much of a difference, and is this 100% or 300% Dancing Edge? Everyone always compares 300% WS's to relic WS's, when the entire concept behind relic is to be a WS that you use at 100% TP for nearly the effect of a different 300% TP WS, and thus get higher DoT.
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That I don't know, he just said Dancing Edge still did more damage. Don't know if he mentioned Shark Bite.

Khajit said:
from what I remember of pic poster on KI mercy stroke is approx 1.4-1.8 times as strong as dancing edge using the mandau and to boot gives a bonus to the sc damage of 50%
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I don't think any of the WS's are that much stronger :P So I highly doubt Mercy Stroke is ^^

Besides, is that Dancing Edge with Mandau, or his normal dagger? :P
 
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nvm this.. was a double post somehow o.O;
 
Bikwin said:
Expectation: its worth the cost
and no, it is near worthlessness

if you want hard evidence I don't have it, but full acc/haste/hp w/e gear and I parsed equal to 1 summoner on jorm.
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lol, guess what the galka pld was talking about...

and those smns were gimp, and before diabolos, yyr, and 5 more job merit slots were introduced as well...
 
It was with a mandau. the thread was semi recent. about a month ago.
The dancing edges that were shown had a max of 1.2k and I remember Mercy stroke going past 2k. Hence I gave that number as an estimate.
 
Strid said:
Didn't you, at one point, claim to be a 75 NIN on Hades...?
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Yes, and to be quite honest, iv NEVER done a Dynamis. I just can't find a good shell to do it with. Everyone is always self-centered. I wouldn't mind going to help other people get relic or artifact stuff, but the attitude of most of the shells is just disgusting.Plus they want constant activity, and my online time is sparatic.

I have alot of friends who dont demand all the uber gear. So I just party and level with them. Pretty much a static linkshell without any set parameters. But we are all never on at the same time to do a dynamis.

P.S: My NIN is 50, my RDM is 75. I had mistyped on that post. RDM/NIN not NIN/RDM

What I can really gather though, is that dynamis is just some "Nightmare" version of the cities and whatnot. Sounds cool, but not on the top of my priorites list.
 
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Mai Ikari said:
Guttler: lolbst
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That's the single most ignorant thing I've ever heard you say, Ikari. =/ Even worse that you of all people should know the value of a DoT job.
 
To clarify back a while, The Relic gun sucks, mostly because its only marginaly better than the current guns, and sufferes from the same problem of being too slow.
For a RNG looking to do a relic, get the Bow, its just a better use of coins for you.
 
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