Late for grandthieftchoocobo.... goodbye!!

No, I did not get them mixed in. You did, however, pull my strings by joining my salvage shell and saying "I can't come right now, because I'm saving for another 20k AP item so I can sell my scorpion harness".

Needless say I removed you from the rooster in that one, too, quite fast. Actually a long time before Dynamis. And no, you did not say you didn't have time to do both and would focus on one. You said you were saving for AP items. This was after saying you would join in Salvage.
 
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Oh and the linkshell site http://www.shell.linux.se/rez/forum/ i have saved to fav is still not up. As it has been the same for the last week or so. So goodluck posting any problems you might have in shell unless they changed address without telling me. IDK.
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Uzor's explained this, I wasn't sure what side to take until I heard from more GTC members about the way you are with regards to GTC.
 
charlo said:
Aalea "If you dont want to be a part of this shell then i suggest you do so"

She tells me "just guys" like they should'nt mean as much as their shell.

I explain that in the circumstance i think that they need me more as the linkshell was farming and had enough members to do that but the alliance in den of rancor only had like 11 and i felt obliged to stay with them. I thought this the best option to take.......not to my LS leader it wasn't

My history with the shell is not long like 13 runs at 3-4 hours a run i havnt got anything. ive been late for gather together 1 time and late for entering 1 time to which my lotting rights were wavered. i accepted this and still gave my 3-4 hour of time to the shell. I also dropped a battle therory BEFORE i was told to keep it because i havnt got dreamlands areas and it was told at this time.

So after trying to say sorry for this run she then said
"You wont be missed", "It was an easy desision to make" , "You are untrustworthy"
The last tell really got under my skin as i pointed out that i thought booting me from the shell was over the top and felt she/he was just itching for a reason to boot me. I don't know why, if i upset her/him in any way but it was not a reason that he/she could explain to me anyway.
I felt maybe lotting rights taken away for nxt run might of been good enough but no i tried to speak up explaining in paerl but he/she quickly broke it.
I was mainly furious that 30-40 hours of my time has been spent for nothing (To which he/she said but its not wasted time....wtf!! i tried to get her/him to explain hows that so, got me no ansewer.) and i wont the people of the shell to know there was nothing underhand from my part of this. As i don't know what was said after.
I found the shell very heavy with the constent talking down to its members and lack of conversation. As i know the leaders are very dedicated gamers. Thats fine but some like to meet people and have fun to. And i found this was quickly cut short my leaders. Like in a classroom with kids and teachers.
Maybe all dynamis shells are like this IDK.
So anyways goodluck to all members on future runs hope my name hasn't been stepped on
I'm just so pissed of people taking this game on like some sort of fu*king job. Hell as far as i was aware i paid SE. Not Aalea pays me!
I i've just got to accept 30-40 hours of my fu*king time just went to waste with my GF aggroing me about it... As i do have a life outside this game so every min online is supposed to be enoyable and to progress ingame.
Sorry for long thread but rant over!!!!!!!!!!

Yea my spelling sucks im at home and working on redecorating the bedroom so no time to check over oooops got to get bk to it
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I rarely post at this forum anymore, and I don't read it regularly, so I find it amusing that I'm considered rude for not responding to the OP.

I was the one responsible to give Charlo the news about his expulsion, it's quite natural for him to lash out at me during such a conversation. To be perfectly honest, he wasn't exactly a understanding person, so it's no wonder he tries to make me out to be this evil person. Sure, I can be very direct at times, I just won't take any bullshit. I asked Charlo to drop his pearl as he seemed determined to make us boot him anyway. He didn't comply.

I explained to Charlo we have had enough of his tardiness, and we (not I) decided to ask him to drop his pearl. Charlo said I should learn manners, and asked if I was a teenager (I'm 33, mind you). Many of our members agreed on the decision. They weren't asked beforehand though.

Like Uzor said, Charlo asked me for monetary compensation for the runs he had attended without getting any AF2. This is just hilarious. The veteran members of this LS have 100+ runs, and a great number of people have around 50-70 runs with this LS. Personally I have gained 6 pieces of AF2 (MNK 5/5 and a +1 item) and 2 100 coins over 105 runs. Still I come every time and help people get their AF2 and hope to get some for myself. Asking for compensation for the times I didn't receive anything wouldn't enter my mind.

Personally I think being late as much as Charlo was, is rude and inconsiderate to his LS mates. If you sign up for Dynamis twice a week, we expect you to be there. Doing other in-game activities is one of the reasons we penalize people, yes, and doing this repeatedly of course forces us to take action. Dropping a battle theory would not lead to penalty, and definitely not to breaking someone's pearl. It was just one of the things that tipped the scale for Charlo. If you're not responsible enough to make your commitment to any LS, then you should face the consequences, and not lash out at others for making your own choices. Making a commitment is as real in a game as in real life, if you don't realize this, maybe you shouldn't make such commitments.

PS. Being a ESL-person myself (like Uzor, I'm from Sweden) I really don't think Charlo's English is on-topic here, sure it's the flameboard, but still.
 
relpy

Yes i did say i was saving my points for assault body so i could sell my SH because i was broke at the time, i'm sorry. But after i had finished that i explained to either you or mdkuser that i did not have time to do both.

It seems in your last post you were very quickly to "Get me removed" even at that time, which was at least a month before this episode. So the problem you had with me started at that time or maybe just before?

And what way am i with the shell?
Please if you are going to post opinions on the thread at least give me the privalige of explaining your remarks.
 
Salvage is more dedication based then Dynamis. in Dynamis you can manage without 1 member every now and then, but in Limbus, especially considering we only had around 10 members, 1 person constantly skipping a run (in your case, never came), I found it more beneficial to just remove you and replace you.
 
Aalea

First of all lets get thiings straight here.
I told you that i belived that the 30-40 hours i spent without getting anything for the runs i had done was A WASTE.
You, for a long number of times tried disagreeing with me.
I asked you to explain how this is so. To which you started babbling on about how many hours you had put in. Then i asked you how much af2 you had as a reward for the time you spent on runs. You gave me the ansewer but again failed to understand that my time was a complete waste as i HAD NO CHANCE of my time amounting to anything. Where as yours had.
In answer to this ongoing ignornace you had regarding my lost time i in /anger asked "So are you going to compensate me with something." I did NOT ask for gil. I wanted a bulb to go off in your head to seeing that my time was wasted in the shell.
You STILL didnt get enlighted by this remark and i left it as that. I have not asked you for gil since and will not ask you for gil in the future.
My endless sorrys, and,can you be reasonable about the situation, was meet with remarks like
Goodbye, your untrustworthy, we will not miss you, lol your hilarious" ect. You also said you had been waiting for an excuse to drop me are these the words of a group decision?
And i considered you rude for not talking to me like an adult and being ignorant for not explaining in tells at the time.
To which i asked if aalea was a teenager or around that age as it didn't seem this was the manner of someone being resonable.
Oh and Uzor i'm glad you said you can manage without a member in dynamis because the way i was being talked to was as if i was the sole reason of lost af2 s or 100 coins or something that could only be resolved by kicking me.
And yes in your starting remarks in dropping a theory you did say that that person would be penalized. Since it is only just now this is being said otherwise i find it rather strange you have suddenly only just mentioning this as it is in my first post.

Doesnt my commitment to the shell explain AGAIN why i stayed up to 2-3 am on two occasions answer that. I was never rude to any members including you. And if my absent from this one dynamis changed the outcome soooooooooo much i have yet to be told.
In my opinion as i explained to aalea at the time maybe lotting rights taken off for maybe 1 or 2 runs would of been sufficiant. But was only meet with ignorance time and time again which is what upset me.
It is your shell however and you can run it any way you want.
 
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For repeated lateness, you were in the leader group's eye. When we saw you in Den of Rancor on Thursday, we made a decision to ask you to leave. Sure this is a game, but real life rules apply to some situations. We are not lenient toward this kind of behavior and you got the short end of the stick. If you had acted correct, we wouldn't have had to boot you at all, now would we?

You did have the same chance as anyone to get city AF, so I'm not sure where you get this "I had no chance to get anything" statement from. You said that your 13 runs was a waste, to which I replied I have attended 105 runs, most of which have been a "waste" dropwise. If you expect to get gear every time you attend, you have chosen the wrong end-game activity.

I was very reasonable, and yes, after the conversation I did say "You shan't be missed", but that's because I didn't see myself missing you very much. My own personal opionion of you had nothing to do with the disregard you showed your LS-mates by being unexcusably late every so often.

We have rules in the linkshell, and yes I am responsible for enforcing them. When you signed up for GTC you agreed to these rules, and also committed yourself to showing up twice a week to do Dynamis with us. When you repeatedly fail to do so, it's our prerogative to take action.

I suggest you to consider your own decisions and don't try to blame us for this making ours. Everyone can make up their own mind about you, but posting a flame without really making your case only hurt yourself.
 
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"I HAVE NO CHANCE OF MY TIME AMOUNTING TO ANYTHING!"
and all the first city runs and ALL the northlands runs and 2 for lateness i couldnot lot for af2. So the chance of me getting af2 was.......?
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You had your chance of obtaining AF. But you were always late to the run without a reason, and thus put on probation.

And trust me, teenagers can have manners and be more reasonable then a whole lot of adults. I'm not sure if I should take your teenager remark as offensive or not, as I myself am only 19. A lot of people in the shell are between 15 and 20, and a great majority are both reasonable and have excelent manners. So I quite honestly don't understand where you were goign with that remark. Hell, my youngest sister is merely 10 and have better judgement, mroe manners and are more reasonable then most adults I've met throughout my life. Hell, the dauther of one of my members are 8 and play RDM better then most of the RDMes I've met while lvling WHM, BLM, BLU and NIN.

And yes, it was indeed a group decision. Most leaders run their shell as a dictatorship. And that is, indeed, normally the best way to run a shell. Shells are extremely hard to run under a democracy as everyone comes from different countries, and thus have different standards. People also don't have the same tiem available. Thus, dictatorship is the best way to go. We ar ethe leaders, and we are the dictators. We expect what we say to happen. Most of the time you seem to completely ignore what was being said, as you were always late and didn't report beforehand why you were going to be late and why you'd skip a run. You also seem to prioritize other things in the game before the shell, which certainly isn't an attitude we promote in the shell.

And we didn't ask you to stay up to 2-3 AM on two occasions. You did that by yourself. Additionally, due to you skipping a northlands run when we were going for the win, you ended up being the only one needing the win. Hence, we had to go for the win a second time just to get you Xarcabard access, thus leading to less drops for people.

And I can quite understand Aalea's reaction. You went out of your way to justify your case, asking him to compensate you, and attempt to offend him. Aalea was responsible for kicking you. You shouldn't attack him for that. If there's anyone you should attack, it should be me. I started the shell, and I made the original rules. Yes, we, the leaders, have modified the rules a bit, but its still not Aalea you should blame.

If you've ever worked as a salesman tou should know what I mean. Especialyl if you work in customer service. They're there to talk to the customers, and they just follow their companie's rules. In this case, you're the customer complaining and insulting the person working in customer service, that only follows the rules.

charlo said:
"I HAVE NO CHANCE OF MY TIME AMOUNTING TO ANYTHING!"
and all the first city runs and ALL the northlands runs and 2 for lateness i couldnot lot for af2. So the chance of me getting af2 was.......?
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Yes, you were suspended for being late. That's entirely your fault. If you wouldn't have been late, you would have been allowed to lot.
 
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/sigh

omg this is getting stupid.
The reason for not lotting on 4 first city runs are rules of newbies to linkshell to see if you want to keep them;. The rules of northlands are that there is a list so again i cant lot + 2 extra times i was late so out of 13 runs that leaves?
You gonna split hairs on the use of "acting like a teenager" as a remark, then explain why i shouldn't use it otherwise i have something against the youth of our society.
My, my have you never heared that it means not acting maturely which is how i was spoken to?
"Asked him to compensate you" /sigh
Did you not read the post?

I've had enough of this anyway now just go back to your shells and enjoy them. As i ran past your salvage Ls in nyle isle yesterday after /s hello , Salvage. /s goodluck! to get no answer. I f you feel you must ignore me ingame i don't care anymore.
So lets just leave it now and go our seperate ways. cheerio.
 
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Yesterday was not my shell :P

And yes, you did say you asked him to compensate you. Do I need to quote where you said that in your own post? And if you have somehting about the youth of todays society, I'd reccomend you not to play the game at all, as a great majority are youths.
 
Effort = Reward

That's our philosophy. You didn't show an effort, and thus does not reap the reward. Most of the people in our LS that put in the work have now received one or even both of the Northland drops. Those that are now next in line have also put in substantial work. It's not our fault that you joined us late.

Yes it's true we have a 4 run probation rule. If someone joins and shows dedication, that person is more likely to reap rewards, than someone that acts irresponsibly and blows the LS off time and again.

Is it immature of me to enforce the rules of the LS and maintain the attendance sheet? Am I immature because I point out to you that you are inconsiderate to the other people in the LS? I don't think a teenager would've done a lesser job, maturity isn't a question of age. In fact I think it's immature that you lash out at me after performing the ungrateful task of "firing" you. It's a natural reaction, I'm sure, and I'm partly to blame because I agreed with the decision to boot you.

Being responsible for the attendance sheet lets me see the bigger picture, which in this case was a lackluster attendance, and constant lateness. As co-leader of GTC I have to put the greater good of the Linkshell above making you feel good about being booted. Contrary to your belief, I didn't take any personal pleasure in booting you, or "bash in my glory" which you so eloquently put it. It did amuse me however, to provide our LS with the particulars of your argumentation.
 
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If it was your shell or not doesn't matter my point was you ignored me, which if thats the way you want to be i don't care anymore. Lol i can't belive your trying to prove me wrong on such small issues (that wasn't the point) Yes you were there i saw you. But i don't give a crap now to be honest.
/sigh if you read the posts before you would of acctualy saw that i gave the reason for the remark "Compensate me." And again will say havn't asked since for this in items or gil or anything else.
Your even arguing when i try to explain the term acting like a teenager. That all teenagers should feel repulsed by that, even though THE WORLD OVER uses it to express when they think someones being imature, rude and ignoreant. So saying i shouldn't play the game because most are youths LMAO WTF?
Aalea the same old crap everytime, the immaturaty is from the comments i got from you in /tells ONLY. Which i have already posted.
/Yawn Its great to say effort = reward but im glad that you agree that on northlands runs i could not lot, in a round about sort of aalea giving the black and white rules is rules way. (I could of not been on this list of course after just 13 runs)
So can you please stop trying to make yourselves feeling better by putting words in my mouth "I think your evil, think your immature for enforcing the rules, I have lashed out, blah blah blah blah"
I have explained all i need to explain, and this was mainly for the members themselves could see why i was kicked. That i could have my say. The explaination i was going to give in shell before you promtly broke it.
So again sorry to all in the shell if you have feel ive let you down in anyway. It was not my intention and i think your all nice people. hope to see you ingame again.
As i said run the shell how you want and i hope you the best of drop rate.
goodbye. (for a third time lol)
 
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goodbye. (for a third time lol)
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Does this mean you're finally gonna stop kicking this dead horse and accept that you're gone and that no one actually cares about this topic anymore? Because quite honestly, this argument is fruitless and boring, and wasn't going anywhere.
 
Charlo;

In the few times you came to dynamis I've seen you have some skills on rdm. You are doing an ok job helping sleeping the mobs I pull ( except a few times where you were nuking stones...); The first time you caught my attention is that windy run where you went afk /healing in the middle of the sucide pull road, and complained you died afterwards. And you did recidivate on the next sucide pull, and almost died again at the same spot since you didn't move. But still it was ok since it was one of your first dynamis so we can't expect you to know everything.

It was bad luck that you D/C during that Bastok run. I confirmed to the other ls that you went for the win so you can get Bastok win ( or was it sandy?). So the next GTC run you could of course not attend because of dynamis timers. You did post on ls so it was excused of course. I also remember you being late in the next Beaucedine run, due to traffic jams, that was ok as well, even though you complained we didnt go for the win. Fyi, the way we do beaucedine, going ftw requires us to give up on 45-1hour farming time, out of 3 hours.

We were merely complaining that, in addition to what I mentionned earlier, 2 or 3 other times, when you were in game doing stuffs ( O.hat run last thursday, something else on monday..) until the last minute, you came at the gather together spot at 1:55... and 2 times in a row, even though you were warned. This is unacceptable. There are 30 other members that are waiting to enter at the appointed time, you're just wasting 30 peoples time this way. every one made the effort to come here on time and have pts ready to enter, and we still would have to wait for you to show up. Imagine the mess if everyone were doing this.

Also about your time wasted. Sure you didn't get anything out of your investment. But dynamis doesn't reward you immediately, unless you are very lucky. I myself find me lucky to have 9 pieces of af2 after 100runs, but i remember waiting 2 month before getting my first one. Also i got 2 northlands drops in the last month after about 5 month w/o getting anything but a 100cc i think. All that to say that you shouldn't do dynamis for rewards. Rewards are a bonus. I find dynamis very fun on its own, and its very fun to help other people that have teamed with you for a long time, get their afs.
 
hi mdkuser, nice to hear from you. Your a great sac puller in dynamis btw.
If you broke me the news maybe all this could of been avoided.
just two things " we still would have to wait for you to show up."
This is not true because everyone knows aalea has a mule she leaves outside for lates to enter because of real life issues cropping up. I know that as soon as you can enter you do regardless if the whole ls is there. Then they catch up.

"O.hat run last thursday, something else on monday..) "
I was on time on monday, it was the one before that i was late. anyway {nice to meet you}, {see you again}
 
No, you weren't on time. While yes, you DID logout in Beaucedien for once, you didn't log on untill 1:55, so you were late that one aswell.

And I find it highly ironic that you say
If it was your shell or not doesn't matter my point was you ignored me, which if thats the way you want to be i don't care anymore. Lol i can't belive your trying to prove me wrong on such small issues (that wasn't the point) Yes you were there i saw you. But i don't give a crap now to be honest.
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You obviously do care since you are the one that brought it up, not me. You are the one arguing about it. And btw, since you seem deeply hurt that I ignored you, I didn't. I was afk.
 
Hmmmm When I was with this shell for a few months, I never once recall having a issue with the way Uzor and Aalea ran things. The only people that caught hell was the ones that weren't listening and following orders. lol they give you a hour to get to a location, and you find this difficult? In my shell, people are expected to log and be ready in the spot we're doing that run if they're going to be late. Seems like you really didn't give a 2 shits about that shell, and they got tired of putting up with your shit.
 
Just a quick question Uzor...
If what your saying is true, that i was late as your making out on near to every run and every time this happened i had lotting rights taken away from me at all these times.
Then why would i bother hanging around at all these so called runs if i couldn't lot. Is my staying not purley for the benifit of the members of the shell? Is this being bad to the shell and hurtings its members as your making out?
 
the question wasn't wheither or not you stayed. Its that you were late. I won't tolerate someone constantly being late. When I say I want something done, I expect it to be done. When I say people need to be on time, I expect them to be on time. You weren't on time, thus, you disregard a direct order every run. I won't have that. I won't have that at all.
 
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