LOL OH STEAL KIRIN FROM BOL!!!

[xKronox]

Ls chat, he kept telling me and fire to stop posting crap

Then why don't you two?

 

[Daveman]

how much did you help them get their items? 0

Watch it depop and drops lost completely. (bol gets nothing)

Take it and get the drops for yourself. (bol gets nothing, but someone else does get something at no extra cost to bol)

Tell me again why it matters how long we spent getting the items?

 

[Elemmire]

again.. tell me why it would have been bad to give BoL atleast one drop from it.. D.Abj: Body? Ingot? (though I'd say that's too little) or pole? would it have been bad to give them atleast one item from their pop set for all the work they put into getting it?

 

[yanzi]

a wallet full of money will disappear TO YOU if you leave it. or someone else may pick it up and return it to their owner (which for all purposes, the wallet has disappeared TO YOU). since the owner lost it, it has appeared disappeared TO HIM. next point?

The reason that stealing a wallet you find on the floor is a crime has nothing to do with the person who finds the wallet. It is about the person who lost it. If I lose my wallet, it's still my wallet. If nobody takes it, it will be there for me when I find it. However, when Kirin depops, Kirin and all their items are lost forever.

the operative word is IF you find it. when you lose your wallet, you may or may not ever recover it. but in the time that that happens, you think people who take the money from the inside of your wallet is ok?

This is why when giving an item to a lost and found, after an amount of time eventually the found items will be returned to the finder if the owner cannot be found. If you were an American Citizen(and not uneducated) you would know that the wallet and all its possessions isn't thrown by the authorities into the incinerator.

actually they will destroy it if no one claims it.

I offered my assistance with their next Kirin. I wouldn't be opposed to another pop set being given to BoL, but they certainly have no right to demand one. As well all the flaming and name-calling that unsued will make that highly unlikely.

that was very admirable, i hope they take advantage of your offer despite all that's happened today.

 

[Courtney]

you know OH had 3 choices there.
do nothing and let it depop.
claim it for their own.
help raise BOL and god forbid aid them in recovering.

personally if push came to shove, id be rooting for the third choice if it was BOL and Valkyr up there and not BOL and OH. Neither one of these LS's have proved themselves to be totally trustworthy or honarable in the past. But then again they aren fucking Lucifar either.

greed my friends, is so fucking worthless in the end.
choice 3 however might get you further in life if you dont just plain Fail at it.

~Syn

I'm surprised noone before Synical actually said that....

.... We had three of the top NA shells up there together, one of them got into trouble, and the thought of helping them never even occurred...

NAs on this board at least complain that the NA shells don't work together... There was your chance...

 

[Daveman]

I already offered my own pole, I can't send it by mail, so if someone with a sack to BoL wants me to give it them fine. (I say sack so some random guy from Bol doesn't take for himself).

 

[Firestreak]

actually, Firestreak, I do play FF still. And I have prolly posted so much cause I get rather bored sometimes up in the middle of the night. And I post in more than just OH threads. I just become amused a lot in OH threads. I tell you now, Fire, I never had a problem with you.. never did.. but you tend to defend OH without any consideration for the opposition. I admitted that OH should get something for their time spent killing Kirin off... and believe that BoL wiped of their own foolishness.. but I am mostly disappointed with the mentality that I noticed. You guys never even gave them a single chance to get back up and atleast try. Even if they thought they were gonna wipe and no way win.. unless you were in their shell.. I doubt you'd know exactly what they were thinking. You jumped to an assumption and acted upon it without even taking the time to give BoL a chance. I am no the only one who thinks that OH did something terribly wrong today. By 1) taking what was never theirs.. as in you never popped it.. and don't use that HNM argument bullshit cause this is not like a HNM and 2) not even giving BoL one or two of the drops that would have never been yours if not for their hard work at attaining the pop sets. You defend OH at every turn and never seem to give the impression that you could think OH is in the wrong for once. You seem to be the kind of soldier that Prophecy so enjoys.. loyal without any questions toward him or the LS. However.. I know many other people like that.. yet they finally saw Prophecy's greed and selfishness and became upset with OH and left. I was right about that.. and it's been more than once. And I'm sure I'll be right again. Cause it's been a very repetative cycle. And it's true.. I won't trust OH up in sky.. not for a long time atleast. And why should I? After some of the shit that prophecy did to some members like openning and closing doors on people to keep them from getting to a pop item NM. Bitching at us for taking a pop item NM when he wiped? There's no reason to trust him or those that will be so loyal to him to go with his poor decisions. Hell.. when maseki MPKed deniro many months back.. I and many others were dropping and gonna drop pearls cause we were disgusted by that act. He, however, appologized and admitted he was in the wrong and so most of us stuck through it and have been having fun other than a few problems here and there. But it's good to know that prophecy will get everything he wants cause of his loyal little army. Real nice.

In the last thread, upon your useless comment on OH, I responded by pointing out that what you said was true as well for Notorious Hunters. One of your LS members came out me to say he did not appreciate me insulting Notorious Hunters and that you being a member insulting us is no justification because you haven't even logged on in thre months. If you want to debate this, I can find the posts.

As for being a "loyal soldier" I have heard it all. I have heard how so-and-so only defends OH actions because they want such-and-such and they are simply defending their bread and butter. Well I've got a new flash for you. I'm done with all I want out of sky. I have no reason in the slightest to defend OH if I don't believe what I say is true. I'm done iwth not just my BLM gear, done with all gear for all my jobs.

Why do people leave OH and occasionally turn around and have a problem with us? Because 1) they were kicked... 2) Our gear distribution system with the emphasis on need>greed means that some members got shafted out of stuff they deserved. Other members got more than they deserved and jet. As a result they developed bad relations with the continuing members.

I personally have been doing my best to fix the system as I've been running the point system as of late.

And on a side note: What is wrong with loyalty? What is wrong with my logic, at any point, in any of my arguments defending OH?

I personally think you should just get over whatever it is we did to piss you off and carry on with your life.

 

[xKronox]

Another thing I don't understand is why some people want to keep this underwraps between BoL and OH.

I think it's not a big deal that BoL whiped, it happens...

But I think it's everyone's right to know that OH stole Kirin. Everyone should be aware that what you guys did was wrong and unjust, and no matter how hard you try to justify your actions, you still will be still always be in the greater fault here.

Sure, BoL was half AFK at pop. But that's something that they need to take of as a LS. It's really no ones busniess.

But to be aware of thieves in the community who wish to steal things should be everyones concern.

 

[yanzi]

how much did you help them get their items? 0

Watch it depop and drops lost completely. (bol gets nothing)

Take it and get the drops for yourself. (bol gets nothing, but someone else does get something at no extra cost to bol)

Tell me again why it matters how long we spent getting the items?

huh? you helped BoL get their pop items? :?
my point is you claim you lost all this gil/time/xp whatever fighting their pop. here's news for you: you didn't have to. all you had to do was finish your d2's and you wouldn't have people hitting F5 every minute on a sunday evening.

 

[xKronox]

Ls chat, he kept telling me and fire to stop posting crap

Then why don't you two?

Still didn't answer my question, daveman.

 

[Daveman]

But I think it's everyone's right to know that OH stole Kirin. Everyone should be aware that what you guys did was wrong and unjust, and no matter how hard you try to justify your actions, you still will be still always be in the greater fault here.

Post that after yanzi pwns me in some super logic about how it was a clear cut steal plz.

 

[Daveman]

I didn't answer cause the answer is obvious, I'm still arguing.

 

[Mirewen]

Everyone... Shut up please. >.<;;

 

[decidence]

This is pretty sad, and Im sad for my fellow BoLSF members more then anything.

We have popped Kirin a total of 5 times now, the first Kirin was an overwhelming success... as usual everyone always does the most research and should be the most mentally prepared the first time. We also had about 35 members attend which we have never seen again.

The 2nd Kirin we wiped due to some small mistakes on the pop gods.

The 3rd Kirin we won with only 22-23 members attending (this was right after a couple LS's persuaded several of our members to leave us and join them).

The 4th Kirin we wiped because we only had 3 WHM's come and the pop party got decimated.

We havent been able to pop Kirin for over 3 weeks because of lack of members from certain jobs. We felt ready to go last week though and had people scout out Kirin room for the last 5 days.

This is the sad part... Kirin is "booked" if you wanna call it that during all prime time hours of the week by the miriads of LS's out there that do gods now.

Because our previous 10pm EST timeslot on Friday nights became too hard for members to get too for obvious reasons (its 10pm on a Friday night), we have been forced to look for another time.

Meanwhile our seal sets have piled up and we do not want to piss off other LS's by having to try and pop near their time but are getting desperate.

School has started now and the available slots that you can do Kirin where you need to gather 30 people from 3 different timezones at one time in the week is thin.

The available times for our LS to make it to a Kirin run are...

Mon-Thurs 6pm EST earliest and 8pm EST latest
Sunday 2pm EST earliest and 8pm EST latest

So please, lend us a hand and tell us what times are free during these availabilities.

I have all my god gear but I want my members to get their gear as well and LS's that insist on "reserving" more then 5hours a week in prime times is rediculous and people are going to have to learn how to share and take turns in this new community of ever growing sky linkshells.

An LS like OH that have amassed more Kirin Gear for their members then most while BoLSF sits at 1 Osode, 1 DBody, 1 WLegs and 1 Shining Cloth well over a month since their first Kirin pop could of and maybe should of let someone from BoLSF get an item but coming from Prophecy it was not expected.

Anyways, I pick myself up after these things and am willing to try again, I just hope my fellow members will as well and this will not end up as another point where we fall apart and lose members over obvious frustrations.

 

[yanzi]

I already offered my own pole, I can't send it by mail, so if someone with a sack to BoL wants me to give it them fine. (I say sack so some random guy from Bol doesn't take for himself).

i applaud you too.

 

[xKronox]

I didn't answer cause the answer is obvious, I'm still arguing.

Why? It's been explained by like 20 fucking goddamn people. Are you that fucking arrogant? Jesus...

 

[Daveman]

how much did you help them get their items? 0

Watch it depop and drops lost completely. (bol gets nothing)

Take it and get the drops for yourself. (bol gets nothing, but someone else does get something at no extra cost to bol)

Tell me again why it matters how long we spent getting the items?

huh? you helped BoL get their pop items? :?
my point is you claim you lost all this gil/time/xp whatever fighting their pop. here's news for you: you didn't have to. all you had to do was finish your d2's and you wouldn't have people hitting F5 every minute on a sunday evening.

I meant it didn't matter weather or not we helped with pop items because at that point their work was going to be completely lost unless someone stepped in. My gil/exp/time argument is for why we didn't help them out (you ls didn't help either). And yeah if we left there'd of been alot less drama, but it doesn't change that we didn't hurt bol any more from taking the kirin at that point.

 

[Firestreak]

the operative word is IF you find it. when you lose your wallet, you may or may not ever recover it. but in the time that that happens, you think people who take the money from the inside of your wallet is ok?

If it was impossible to take my wallet, for yourself, meaning there was a forcefield around it and if you weren't intending to give it to me or it wasn't me myself who wanted it, then the odds are very low it wouldn't come back to me.

actually they will destroy it if no one claims it.

Incorrect, this is why they take your information when you turn in a lost item to the police. It will be yours legally if they cannot find the owner.

 

[Villarel]

you know OH had 3 choices there.
do nothing and let it depop.
claim it for their own.
help raise BOL and god forbid aid them in recovering.

personally if push came to shove, id be rooting for the third choice if it was BOL and Valkyr up there and not BOL and OH. Neither one of these LS's have proved themselves to be totally trustworthy or honarable in the past. But then again they aren fucking Lucifar either.

greed my friends, is so fucking worthless in the end.
choice 3 however might get you further in life if you dont just plain Fail at it.

~Syn

I'm surprised noone before Synical actually said that....

.... We had three of the top NA shells up there together, one of them got into trouble, and the thought of helping them never even occurred...

NAs on this board at least complain that the NA shells don't work together... There was your chance...

Maybe 3-4 members of Valkyrs was up in the Kirin at the time. We start our weekly Kirin at 7PM Eatern time. A few of us actually helped kill the summoned gods. Reality died while helping. However no one raised him, and I only had raise 1. When Reality died, we decied to sit out.

Hindsight is 20/20. This could have been avoided if OH asked BOL if they we're going to give up on Kirin after most of their members died. Somthing like, "Hey are you going to give up on Kirin, and call a wipe? If so can we take over?" But that didn't happend. And here we are

 

[yanzi]

But I think it's everyone's right to know that OH stole Kirin. Everyone should be aware that what you guys did was wrong and unjust, and no matter how hard you try to justify your actions, you still will be still always be in the greater fault here.

Post that after yanzi pwns me in some super logic about how it was a clear cut steal plz.

lol i swear i didn't hack daveman's account and type that.