LOL OH STEAL KIRIN FROM BOL!!!

[Darkdante]

In the end though I dont see how its beneficial for you as a LS spectating to let a fellow LS die if you can help it... and I really dont see whats wrong in helping with pop gods if you are there spectating either... as long as the end result is achieved.

This whole thing just feels completely hateful and in spite, and people keep posting wondering why NA's are so far behind in this server.

Thats why JP's rule and NA's do not. Oooo buuuurn.

Wait!

I suck JP cock now right?

Bah!

 

[Darkdante]

btw: that post wasn't to you Dec.

Just used your post as example.

 

[vang]

This whole thing just feels completely hateful and in spite, and people keep posting wondering why NA's are so far behind in this server.

Just the NA shells that are out in the open and argue all the time. I really hate to make it seem like im kissing their ass all the time, but hey, the one NA shell that is really never in the spotlight or fucking with other shells has killed 2 of the 3 wyrms already. I won't even say their name because I have praised em once in here already lol.

They keep to themselves and don't run their mouths all the time and get shit done. So, yea the majority of the NA shells are weak on OUR server but there is at least one that can compete with some of the other NA lses on other servers.

 

[yanzi]

I offered bol my time (and exp probably ~.~) and a kirin's pole. fire offered the time part too, so don't say they don't have jack shit. Honestly krono if you wanna say we're stealing take a page from yanzi, try to explain how did we "steal", they wiped, at that point it wasn't a steal, what we did with the items may or may not be fair, but fair or not it's not a steal.

now, was everyone dead and with no reraise?
like i've said in a previous post, we've recovered from a kirin with 2 gods popped and only a handful alive. it's a really bad assumption to make when you see things going bad. everyone wants to overcome adversity and i'd be surprised if BoL would have willingly given up on it. i hate to make comparisons, but this reminds me of those other threads (GBY vs ESP@charby, some other shell vs someone@gustav?) when there's a quick assumption made that the other party has wiped and the proceed to claim a mob due to greed. yes i have camped NMs when parties appear to wipe. though i don't mpk them or try to make them all die. if they want to give up on it, that can be confirmed through a simple /tell.

 

[xKronox]

Anyhow I'm done debating with you two. It's like talking to a brick wall. Only more arrogant.

 

[yanzi]

Right now all that's left debating is.. people who pretty much always argue with me.

took the words right out of my mouth. :lol:

 

[cohibuu]

I offered bol my time (and exp probably ~.~) and a kirin's pole. fire offered the time part too, so don't say they don't have jack shit. Honestly krono if you wanna say we're stealing take a page from yanzi, try to explain how did we "steal", they wiped, at that point it wasn't a steal, what we did with the items may or may not be fair, but fair or not it's not a steal.

now, was everyone dead and with no reraise?
like i've said in a previous post, we've recovered from a kirin with 2 gods popped and only a handful alive. it's a really bad assumption to make when you see things going bad. everyone wants to overcome adversity and i'd be surprised if BoL would have willingly given up on it. i hate to make comparisons, but this reminds me of those other threads (GBY vs ESP@charby, some other shell vs someone@gustav?) when there's a quick assumption made that the other party has wiped and the proceed to claim a mob due to greed. yes i have camped NMs when parties appear to wipe. though i don't mpk them or try to make them all die. if they want to give up on it, that can be confirmed through a simple /tell.

seiryu was popped first and 100fist killed their alliance. they killed seiryu and 10seconds later and chainspelled the rest to death. no one reraised from seiryu.

 

[yanzi]

In the end though I dont see how its beneficial for you as a LS spectating to let a fellow LS die if you can help it... and I really dont see whats wrong in helping with pop gods if you are there spectating either... as long as the end result is achieved.

This whole thing just feels completely hateful and in spite, and people keep posting wondering why NA's are so far behind in this server.

Thats why JP's rule and NA's do not. Oooo buuuurn.

Wait!

I suck JP cock now right?

Bah!

lmao, best post in the thread thus far.

 

[Daveman]

lol, you're not too great at debating are you? Saying "zomg you're wrong" doesn't work, you gotta say why, if it's already been said, restate and quote it, when I make a point, prove my point wrong, when I counter it, prove it wrong again, at this point we're supposed to say stuff we've already said and start going into circles, but if you break the circle you lose.

I don't need to restate shit, you just need to fucking pay attention to other people other than yourself.

Maybe you should go back and read all these pages again? It's been stated numberous of fucking times.

Maybe you're to egotistical to notice when you are wrong?

I feel like I've done an ok job at saying what I have to say to counter people's accusations of steal, I already stated how the world isn't black and white, how while not the best option to take, not so horribly wrong either. I'm only arguing yanzi's points, but yanzi seems to of stopped, we left off trading account passwords or something. Why can't you be more like yanzi? as much as we disagreed I'd still enjoy playing with yanzi, you however seem to be the hard headed one.

I think you're the one that needs to re read the thread, you know the part where I apoligized what I did do wrong, defended what I feel was justified, and offered services and compensation for something they feel was a steal, despite me myself not feeling it's a steal.

 

[cohibuu]

I offered bol my time (and exp probably ~.~) and a kirin's pole. fire offered the time part too, so don't say they don't have jack shit. Honestly krono if you wanna say we're stealing take a page from yanzi, try to explain how did we "steal", they wiped, at that point it wasn't a steal, what we did with the items may or may not be fair, but fair or not it's not a steal.

now, was everyone dead and with no reraise?
like i've said in a previous post, we've recovered from a kirin with 2 gods popped and only a handful alive. it's a really bad assumption to make when you see things going bad. everyone wants to overcome adversity and i'd be surprised if BoL would have willingly given up on it. i hate to make comparisons, but this reminds me of those other threads (GBY vs ESP@charby, some other shell vs someone@gustav?) when there's a quick assumption made that the other party has wiped and the proceed to claim a mob due to greed. yes i have camped NMs when parties appear to wipe. though i don't mpk them or try to make them all die. if they want to give up on it, that can be confirmed through a simple /tell.

seiryu was popped first and 100fist killed their alliance. they killed seiryu and 10seconds later and chainspelled the rest to death. no one reraised from seiryu.

10 seconds later suzaku popped and chainspelled them to death*

 

[Firestreak]

huh?

A wallet is different than a NM in that the NM will go away and the wallet won't unless it is stolen. Yes, if you don't steal that wallet, someone else may, but then that other person is the one who is still stealing. There's a chance for a wallet to be returned, as if a person doesn't take it for themselves, authorities might find it and return to the rightful owner.

If the GMs were like the police, and were going to provoke Kirin and prevent it from depopping until BoL got themselves in a position that they could win(if ever, considering 3 summoned gods were going to be out), then you are right, we did steal, because kirin still had some value to BoL because they could possibly get it back. However, Kirin is not like a wallet. GMs are not like the police. If we weren't there, that wipe simply would = no more Kirin.

I don't know how many more times and how many different ways I can explain to you, why this means your analogy is bad.

 

[yanzi]

This whole thing just feels completely hateful and in spite, and people keep posting wondering why NA's are so far behind in this server.

Just the NA shells that are out in the open and argue all the time. I really hate to make it seem like im kissing their ass all the time, but hey, the one NA shell that is really never in the spotlight or fucking with other shells has killed 2 of the 3 wyrms already. I won't even say their name because I have praised em once in here already lol.

They keep to themselves and don't run their mouths all the time and get shit done. So, yea the majority of the NA shells are weak on OUR server but there is at least one that can compete with some of the other NA lses on other servers.

there was a time they got flamed for mpk, but they seem to be a tight shell now.

 

[decidence]

This whole thing just feels completely hateful and in spite, and people keep posting wondering why NA's are so far behind in this server.

Just the NA shells that are out in the open and argue all the time. I really hate to make it seem like im kissing their ass all the time, but hey, the one NA shell that is really never in the spotlight or fucking with other shells has killed 2 of the 3 wyrms already. I won't even say their name because I have praised em once in here already lol.

They keep to themselves and don't run their mouths all the time and get shit done. So, yea the majority of the NA shells are weak on OUR server but there is at least one that can compete with some of the other NA lses on other servers.

That LS is instructed not to post on this forum... and they seem to stay away from places where drama is created thus not getting into drama and flamewars. Nasya is a great PR person as well too, she usually douses flames before they get to the flameboard and can be quite reasonable.

Except for the time she lied to me and blamed something on her members instead of fessing up the real reason.

 

[yanzi]

This whole thing just feels completely hateful and in spite, and people keep posting wondering why NA's are so far behind in this server.

Just the NA shells that are out in the open and argue all the time. I really hate to make it seem like im kissing their ass all the time, but hey, the one NA shell that is really never in the spotlight or fucking with other shells has killed 2 of the 3 wyrms already. I won't even say their name because I have praised em once in here already lol.

They keep to themselves and don't run their mouths all the time and get shit done. So, yea the majority of the NA shells are weak on OUR server but there is at least one that can compete with some of the other NA lses on other servers.

That LS is instructed not to post on this forum... and they seem to stay away from places where drama is created thus not getting into drama and flamewars. Nasya is a great PR person as well too, she usually douses flames before they get to the flameboard and can be quite reasonable.

Except for the time she lied to me and blamed something on her members instead of fessing up the real reason.

ooh, save that for another thread buddy. :twisted:

 

[decidence]

This is pretty sad, and Im sad for my fellow BoLSF members more then anything.

We have popped Kirin a total of 5 times now, the first Kirin was an overwhelming success... as usual everyone always does the most research and should be the most mentally prepared the first time. We also had about 35 members attend which we have never seen again.

The 2nd Kirin we wiped due to some small mistakes on the pop gods.

The 3rd Kirin we won with only 22-23 members attending (this was right after a couple LS's persuaded several of our members to leave us and join them).

The 4th Kirin we wiped because we only had 3 WHM's come and the pop party got decimated.

We havent been able to pop Kirin for over 3 weeks because of lack of members from certain jobs. We felt ready to go last week though and had people scout out Kirin room for the last 5 days.

This is the sad part... Kirin is "booked" if you wanna call it that during all prime time hours of the week by the miriads of LS's out there that do gods now.

Because our previous 10pm EST timeslot on Friday nights became too hard for members to get too for obvious reasons (its 10pm on a Friday night), we have been forced to look for another time.

Meanwhile our seal sets have piled up and we do not want to piss off other LS's by having to try and pop near their time but are getting desperate.

School has started now and the available slots that you can do Kirin where you need to gather 30 people from 3 different timezones at one time in the week is thin.

The available times for our LS to make it to a Kirin run are...

Mon-Thurs 6pm EST earliest and 8pm EST latest
Sunday 2pm EST earliest and 8pm EST latest

So please, lend us a hand and tell us what times are free during these availabilities.

I have all my god gear but I want my members to get their gear as well and LS's that insist on "reserving" more then 5hours a week in prime times is rediculous and people are going to have to learn how to share and take turns in this new community of ever growing sky linkshells.

An LS like OH that have amassed more Kirin Gear for their members then most while BoLSF sits at 1 Osode, 1 DBody, 1 WLegs and 1 Shining Cloth well over a month since their first Kirin pop could of and maybe should of let someone from BoLSF get an item but coming from Prophecy it was not expected.

Anyways, I pick myself up after these things and am willing to try again, I just hope my fellow members will as well and this will not end up as another point where we fall apart and lose members over obvious frustrations.

So anyone wanna help us figure out times we can pop?

 

[Firestreak]

I'd like to point out, my explanation does not prove what we did is not stealing, it simply proves that your anology does not work here.

 

[ultraseven]

My point wasn't that it was right or wrong. I tend to think wrong, but JUST barely considering they were going to lose the spawn entirely if someone else didn't take it.

My point was that you seem to think that the JP's don't do this, and that you think incorrectly.

obviously... you need to know how long it would take before kirin despawns. they just wiped... and i honestly don't think they were given enough time to recover.

besides... kirin is a forceable pop. what's theirs is theirs. if they prefer to have their kirin despawn, then let them have their kirin despawn.

Again...JP fallacy...{please check it} or whatever.

why the fuck do you keep bringing up "JP fallacy"... explain yourself a little more when quoting someone.

 

[Firestreak]

Sunday seems to be the only trouble here. Around noon til seven we go. We will occasionally pop on other dates when no one else is there and we have the members.

 

[yanzi]

A wallet is different than a NM in that the NM will go away and the wallet won't unless it is stolen. Yes, if you don't steal that wallet, someone else may, but then that other person is the one who is still stealing. There's a chance for a wallet to be returned, as if a person doesn't take it for themselves, authorities might find it and return to the rightful owner.

the wallet, from your reference, has gone away if you never recover it; so figuratively, it has depopped.

If the GMs were like the police, and were going to provoke Kirin and prevent it from depopping until BoL got themselves in a position that they could win(if ever, considering 3 summoned gods were going to be out), then you are right, we did steal, because kirin still had some value to BoL because they could possibly get it back. However, Kirin is not like a wallet. GMs are not like the police. If we weren't there, that wipe simply would = no more Kirin.

like the question i've posed to daveman, what wrong would have happened if OH went on to finish their D2's and let BoL finish wiping? sure, there were other choices available ranging from splitting items or helping them out, but obviously those were put on the backburner when greed came into play.

 

[Daveman]

if we left it'd of saved the drama, but ignoring all drama, fighting kirn didn't do much harm.

(only harm was you guys starting later ~.~ proph seemed very pushy about making us kill fast to not intrude on your time)