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Well, I fucking hate botters, and I don't see why Square cant have FFXI scan memory to see if any known botting programs are running - many programs can see if other programs are running, why not FFXI? Then have the game quietly summon a GM. :twisted:
 
i personally like the bots just outside of windy...i grab my lvl 1 job and train a few gobs to em and let myself die next to the bots the HP and come out to see the death that the gobs do.
 
Tyrion said:
Well, I fucking hate botters, and I don't see why Square cant have FFXI scan memory to see if any known botting programs are running - many programs can see if other programs are running, why not FFXI? Then have the game quietly summon a GM. :twisted:
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This happened in EQ. A law suit ensued. It is not legal for a company to scan your HD before you play their game in any way shape or form.

Attended Botting doesnt bother me at all.
Unattended Botting is where the problem is.

Attended botting is actually allowed under the FFXI terms of service. Do some reading.
 
Agreed, if you're sitting by the comp/ps2 fishing and doin' your homework or watching TV or whatever, I see nothing wrong with that. If you're leaving your character overnite (sorry I don't understand fully how this works, so in this case I am very ignorant), while you're sleeping, then I do see something very wrong with that.
 
This is an honest question, I really want to know. Whay do people resent botting so much? Is it because they aren't "working hard" to achieve the same goals that most people generally spend a lot of time doing?
 
It's because they are Cheating.
They are gaining an unfair Advantage, by not having to Spend as much Time in doing Certain Things as the Honest Player has to.
They are gaining things while away from the Game, such as Gil, while the honest Player gains very little or nothing, while away from the Game. (excluding AFK Bazaaring, which is not nearly as disrupting as Botting)
 
It's an unfair advantage for the botters to have their bots. If S-E gave everyone a bot with their little package, then everyone would be on the same level. For someone to find an outside source and abuse it by leaving it on all the time does give them an unfair advantage in making money when other people are scratching their eyes camping N/M, getting their trains stolen by high level when farming, and just for the pure fact of people spending time in front of their computer attending it.

I don't know. I have mixed feelings about botting. Getting money is kind of tedious in the game, but it's just part of the game. The difference between attended botting and sleep while you bot seems to be on the honour system in my opinion. What S-E might as well do is include a bot program with teh Chains of Promethia expansion and then everyone would have the bot, and the auction house prices will level to nothing and people can just sell to the guild/npcs. Everyone would at least have the same resources. So maybe I'm just jealous at the moment. haha
 
Keits said:
This happened in EQ. A law suit ensued. It is not legal for a company to scan your HD before you play their game in any way shape or form.

Attended Botting doesnt bother me at all.
Unattended Botting is where the problem is.

Attended botting is actually allowed under the FFXI terms of service. Do some reading.
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I wasn't talking about scanning the HD. I was talking about scanning the system memory - the RAM - to see what's loaded and running ATM. :p
 
ok, thank you.

So maybe I'm just jealous at the moment.
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Yeah, now THAT is an honest response.
That's kinda how I saw it, that people found a loophole, "cheating" at making fake money. There's a phrase that absolutely applies, and none of you will like it, and you'll just insult me, but I'm right:

Hate the game, not the playa.


Y'all are a buncha playa hatas. It is as simple as that. People have found a way around the "difficulties" of the game and you're bitter because you can't afford the good shit. Hate the game, not the players. My man up there at least had the balls to admit he's jealous. Here here for honesty, he's a finer person than most of you whiners.
Just play the game or make a bot yourself. Fuckem. Yopu aren't gonna beat them, so just join them. It isn't MURDER. No one is breaking ANY LAWS! YOU WILL NOT BE PROSECUTED IN A COURT OF LAW! Your parents and friends will STILL TALK TO YOU.

Hate the game, not the playa.
 
"Hate the Game, not the Playah"

So if the Game was to Shoot you in the Foot, would you still not Harbor a Strong Dislike for me if I shot you in the Foot ? Cause I'd just be "Playin' da Game", neh ?
 
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Hate the game, not the playa.

Y'all are a buncha playa hatas. It is as simple as that. People have found a way around the "difficulties" of the game and you're bitter because you can't afford the good shit.
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So good of you to drop by to tell everyone why they think the way they do.

Dalecooper then said:
Hate the game, not the players.
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Yeah, you keep saying that.

and then said:
My man up there at least had the balls to admit he's jealous. Here here for honesty, he's a finer person than most of you whiners.
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Sometimes people just don't like a certain action on moral grounds. People have been known to object to something because they think it's wrong or unethical.

and one more time said:
Hate the game, not the playa.
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Oh baby, say it again.

Guess what: you don't have to play "the game." No one is "making" people run bots. People are perfectly justified in hating both.

Plus it's important to get your recommended daily allowance of hate.
 
I am just gonna offer the following unbiased facts:

It has been determined by the U.S. legal system that a software can monitor the memory space it uses, but not memory space that is not occupied by said software (google it if you must).

It has also been determined that software may scan a users HD if the user explicitly grants permission to do so, see Windows Update, Online Anti-Virus scans, etc.

As far as Bots go Sony (yeah, Sony, not SE, just mentioning it because it does relate) has taken the following position; The use of 3rd party software is against the EULA, however, if a user is physically impaired and is using 3rd party software to play the game he could not otherwise play, then the use of 3rd party software is acceptable.

Now, who's the first to scream that handicapped players gain an unfair advantage over non-handicapped players by using bots? (EQ example was Bard twisting songs, if anyone cares)
 
Sculli said:
Now, who's the first to scream that handicapped players gain an unfair advantage over non-handicapped players by using bots? (EQ example was Bard twisting songs, if anyone cares)
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Last I checked, being too lazy to earn Gil is not a disability. :D

OR IS IT?! :shock:
 
Good discussion thus far. The original poster double posted this in the general and the crafting boards on the vault, and was subsequently torn apart by players, legit and otherwise.

Here are some excerpts from my post on the subject (because I want to argue with you cunts):

2. Cap botters don't hurt the economy. They have more gil than you, well crap. There will always be people with more gil. The vendor system in FFXI ensures that there is limitless amounts of Gil circulating through Vana'diel at any given time. Some of you may say "doesn't this cause inflation? That's what my professor in Economics told me." You forget who has the majority of that Gil. The botters. I've been playing for about 4 months. The JPs for almost 2 years now. If it wasn't Cap botting in Rabao it was botting the cliffs of Saruta. If this really affected the economy as much as everyone likes to think it does, then 1 friggin mithkabob would cost 20,000. Come on.

5. Final Point: This is tied in with the lack of inflation. Items in this game do not decay. Does anyone else realize what this means. You don't ever really buy anything in this game. You rent it. You sell it back. At any given time you may find 1 or 2 of a rare item on sale at the AH, but there are 100s if not 1000s of said item on the server. Hairpin may be expensive, but it is by no means rare. If you count how many are on the AH, and how many people own one you'd be surprised. The economy in this game isn't based on Supply and Demand, because Demand is pretty much constant once a server reaches its peak. The Supply is infinite. The prices of items are based solely on what the price the last one sold for.

If SE wanted, or cared for that matter, about setting up a realistic economy (whether it be an American or Japanese based economy) they would make gear consumable, and they would have to remove NPCs that buy items from you. But since they would never do that, botting continues, gil-selling continues, and whining continues.

There were a couple guys willing to debate with me, basing their arguements on the fact that they have financing degrees and political economics degrees and some other bull-shit. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean shit in a GAME world. The quickly shut their pie-holes after they realized I was right. Alas, no good competition these days.

See you in Rabao. I usually hang out next to Grenade and those three adorable little Taru bots that always walk around together.
 
Tyrion said:
Keits said:
This happened in EQ. A law suit ensued. It is not legal for a company to scan your HD before you play their game in any way shape or form.

Attended Botting doesnt bother me at all.
Unattended Botting is where the problem is.

Attended botting is actually allowed under the FFXI terms of service. Do some reading.
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I wasn't talking about scanning the HD. I was talking about scanning the system memory - the RAM - to see what's loaded and running ATM. :p
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also to go along with that, its listed as a terms of service that bots are not allowed (unattended macroing)
 
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