Love-Life Bitches, Gripes, and Complaints

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Well a lot of women can say the same thing about men, so until you get a sex change and see it from the other side of the fence, what you're saying just comes off as completely sexist and ignorant.

I don't think anyone posting here is really being sexist, but as i stated earlier, both sexes will play games with each other as long as they all keep doing it. I know it sounds redundant, but thats the truth of the matter, if one side were to quit with the games and be honest about shit, there just might be an improvement. Then again, maybe not. Who knows really.
 
Well a lot of women can say the same thing about men, so until you get a sex change and see it from the other side of the fence, what you're saying just comes off as completely sexist and ignorant.

couldn't agree with this more
 
double standards much ladies?
 
Well a lot of women can say the same thing about [wo]men, so until you get a sex change and see it from the other side of the fence, what you're saying just comes off as completely sexist and ignorant.

Did you see what I did?
 
Let's not get acrimonious here, I've had enough of that lately.
 
It always has been a war of the sexes folks, both sides are equally at-fault, and henceforth we are all judged the same because of the actions of our fellow brother and sisters folks. Both men and women alike are guilty of pulling shit and games on each other, quit flinging mud like any one of us isn't guilty of having done it at some point in their life.
 
It always has been a war of the sexes folks, both sides are equally at-fault, and henceforth we are all judged the same because of the actions of our fellow brother and sisters folks. Both men and women alike are guilty of pulling shit and games on each other, quit flinging mud like any one of us isn't guilty of having done it at some point in their life.


Sorry but people who think like this are the problem. Not everyone plays games and it's really shortsighted and bitter to think so. The whole generalization "everyone does at one point or another" is simply untrue. I personally believe that relationships should be solidly based on mutual respect and genuine care for another person. As such, I believe in being honest. I mean what I say, I treat the person I love as I would want to be treated, and when I feel a certain way about someone or something in our relationship, I tell them. Anyone who isn't getting that from the person they love should be looking for someone else, not declaring everyone out there a game-player by default.
 
Alby, Zyn, by 'always play games' I meant that it seems that way to us. What is a natural course of action to a woman will generally appear as a game to us. It's not intentional, rather it just highlights the very real difference in how men and women think.

I'm sorry, what? You're saying that women NATURALLY 'play games' with men? (Even if we 'don't mean to' or whatever it is you think.) >_> Maybe it's just how I'm reading this, but that's pretty insulting to me. Some guys play games with girls, some girls play games with guys, but it's not fair or right to assume ALL guys or girls are that way. D:


I have to say, this hurts a little coming from someone I actually know. I'm grateful for your help in game, but I just can't see eye-to-eye with you on this, and if it's what I think it is, I don't want to.
 
I'm sorry, what? You're saying that women NATURALLY 'play games' with men? (Even if we 'don't mean to' or whatever it is you think.) >_> Maybe it's just how I'm reading this, but that's pretty insulting to me. Some guys play games with girls, some girls play games with guys, but it's not fair or right to assume ALL guys or girls are that way. D:


I have to say, this hurts a little coming from someone I actually know. I'm grateful for your help in game, but I just can't see eye-to-eye with you on this, and if it's what I think it is, I don't want to.

I'm sorry you feel that way. That was not my intention.

I've taken a lot of flak for this recently, and I'd like to address it here:

1. It is my opinion, based on life experience and observation, that women think differently then men do.

2. The result of this is that women react to things differently then men, especially when it comes to a relationship. When a man sees a problem, generally he will confront it directly. When a woman sees a problem, she will generally deal with it indirectly.

3. Yes, there are exceptions to this, however, I believe this is the rule.

4. This indirect method of dealing with issues will appear to men (at least, men like me) as playing games. At least, that is what I call it. It can be benign, like playing hard to get, or it can be rather cruel, like flirting with another guy in order to get your attention, but no matter where it falls along the spectrum, it is still a game.

5. Are there men that do similar and/or much worse things? Yes. There are good and bad men, just as there are good and bad women. I wasn't referring to individual merit. I was referring to how some things women do appear to men.

That is my belief. I will not retract it, nor will I apologize for it. I don't believe it is sexist and I did not intend to convey that message. I was merely stating an observation about the opposite sex. My opinion will probably change over time, but that's where it stands right now.

If in return, you wanted to say that men are just too damned dense to understand most signals a woman gives in a relationship, you're more than welcome to, and you would be right. Just don't arbitrarily dismiss my entire point as 'sexist.' Being truly sexist would be if I said that women are incapable of doing X, Y, or Z, because they are women.

EDIT: One other thing, I work with extremely capable women on a daily basis. My past two commanding officers have been woman. For years, I have been surrounded by women whose capabilities I respect and admire. I'm probably one of the least gender-biased people out there. That being said, I make try to make honest observations, and my post a few days ago was one of those.

In any case, I'll be asking for the thread to be closed. It's doing more harm than good.
 
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I don't think men are too dense to understand signals. I think women tend to be socialized to not ask directly for what they want, and will take the indirect route for it.

But shit, that's for sure not all women, and you said "Women all play games." Take down the post or not, you said what you said, and you've tossed out more blanket statements than a politician.

If you don't want to offend people, fine; if you stand by what you said, fine; but don't post inflammatory stuff as large blanket statements, get shocked when people get offended, TAKE DOWN THE POST, then say you stand by it, then ask the thread to be locked.

Own your opinion, or back off from it.
 
If in return, you wanted to say that men are just too damned dense to understand most signals a woman gives in a relationship, you're more than welcome to, and you would be right.

No you would not be right, that's just continuing the retarded blanket statement you began. Stop generalizing, that's what is causing all of the problems. Say "All the women I've met" not "All women." I might as well say that all Air Force pilots are chauvinistic pricks, but that's not the case. I can only think of one.
 
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