Major Help Needed! Stop Bill 156 from going in to Tokyo Law!

Miros said:
Nah you're always good with me. You take the rational aspect which is A+. To me it was silly to say something like world hunger is > this bill. Well duh it is. But hell if I'm going to start feeding the hobos in Baltimore.
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Man, I miss the Anti-Hobo Aura I used to give off. I developed it when I was in High School working as a runner for legal offices, and it stuck with me for a good long while. Sadly, it seems to have dissipated some in my advanced age, and panhandlers will hassle me from time to time.

Gerry said:
Read my earlier post just now. More of the objectional stuff is shrink wrapped. What this law will do is take anything and everything that is slightly objectional off the market and out of view.
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Grawr.

Seriously, did you read even the synopsis given for the bill? “Unjustifiably glorified or exaggerated manner.” That's the wording given, by your source. Not "slightly objectionable" or "moderately naughty". Something that glorifies rape or incest. That's the target.

And it doesn't matter if it's shrink-wrapped. That's like saying "Kids should be able to buy porn, because they can't look at it in the store".
 
It'd be like keeping Rapelay in book form out of children's reach.

Oh dear lord that would be disgusting.
 
Gerry said:
What this law will do is take anything and everything that is slightly objectional off the market and out of view.
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No. It. Wont. Come on man.

I can understand being passionate about your hobbies, but you're blowing this out of proportion. Remember, the government and people spoke months back that these actions are not something to be banned, they are protected under freedom of speech. That proves they aren't out to kill off this stuff, but more so wanting it to exist only to a proper audience. Again, this is only extending the reach of ratings boards, nothing more. If you want to fight for something, do it right. This is a totally viable thing to do, children should not be able to go in and buy some of the things that currently get off not being rated. However, this shouldn't be limited only to the media outlets it is limited to, that is rather unfair. Likewise, it creates the need to have a more detailed ratings system, rather than no rating or 18+, they need to create a middle ground, one like most other nations have with a "Teen" rating. Those are things to fight for, not this law's termination.

Also, the publication business in Japan, especially Tokyo, is massive. The likelihood of them letting something like this keep them from their regular business is nil. Tokyo needs them, wants them and loosing them is not goin' to be in their best interest.
 
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Figures it'd be Sanaku Complex spewing out all this horseshit.
They sure know how to get people riled up over absolutely nothing.
 
Xalioniaf said:
It'd be like keeping Rapelay in book form out of children's reach.

Oh dear lord that would be disgusting.
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Wrong.

In other words, this bill wouldn't cover the infamous RapeLay, but could potentially cover things like the groundbreaking Neon Genesis Evangelion (two words: hospital scene) or even "magical girl" shows that imply nudity on underage characters during transformation sequences. One could hardly classify long-running action manga Berserk as hentai, but under this bill the sexual scenes would make it vulnerable to reclassification - and in Japan as in the West, many retailers will opt not to stock adult material entirely. It could also hamstring entire genres that deal with same-sex romance (and given statements by Tokyo governor Ishihara calling gays and lesbians "deficient," this may be intended).
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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/106174-Child-Safety-Bill-Could-Cripple-Anime-Industry
 
I see no problem with them banning/cracking down on

impl[ied] nudity on underage characters during transformation sequences.
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Are you seriously upset about that?
 
Sooo.....either they move out of Tokyo, do nothing, or we start making our own badass graphic novels?
 
I can't believe I'm saying this...

But they're comics man. Life goes on lol

It's raising the age requirements and changing how you buy content that shows naked people and extreme violence? Sounds like censorship.
 
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Gerry said:
In other words, this bill wouldn't cover the infamous RapeLay, but could potentially cover things like the groundbreaking Neon Genesis Evangelion (two words: hospital scene) or even "magical girl" shows that imply nudity on underage characters during transformation sequences.
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No Tokyo, please do not censor my visually obscured masturbating teen boys and implied child nudity. PLEASE!
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Seriously, arguing against that just makes you out to be a big creepy neckbeard.
 
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"For Japan, most of the more riskier subject matter is pre-shrink wrapped, so you can only read it after you've bought it. How do I know? I purchased the Higurashi manga direction from a book store in Japan, brand new, and when I got it, it was shrink wrapped."

Uhh, you do realize that almost ALL brand new manga is shrink wrapped in Japan, right? Unless you go to a store like Book Off where the manga and books are used, the manga is going to be shrink wrapped. Saying only "riskier" stuff is shrink wrapped is rubbish. I mean, Kimi ni todoke is shrink wrapped and that is one of the least threatening manga ever.

And your list about manga that would be censored/affected...did you REALLY put Dragonball? Dragonball is HUGE in Japan and a childhood favorite of many people. It is completely child friendly by Japanese standards. The worst things in Dragonball are the occaisonal middle fingers, and the Japanese don't take THAT much offense to it like Europeans/Americans do.
 
Paliz said:
"For Japan, most of the more riskier subject matter is pre-shrink wrapped, so you can only read it after you've bought it. How do I know? I purchased the Higurashi manga direction from a book store in Japan, brand new, and when I got it, it was shrink wrapped."

Uhh, you do realize that almost ALL brand new manga is shrink wrapped in Japan, right? Unless you go to a store like Book Off where the manga and books are used, the manga is going to be shrink wrapped. Saying only "riskier" stuff is shrink wrapped is rubbish. I mean, Kimi ni todoke is shrink wrapped and that is one of the least threatening manga ever.

And your list about manga that would be censored/affected...did you REALLY put Dragonball? Dragonball is HUGE in Japan and a childhood favorite of many people. It is completely child friendly by Japanese standards. The worst things in Dragonball are the occaisonal middle fingers, and the Japanese don't take THAT much offense to it like Europeans/Americans do.
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And naked child Goku/Gohan. Y'know, their attempt to reach out to Catholic priests as new clientele.
 
As far as I understand it, Japan doesn't take to nudity in media like western countries do.
It's kinda weird, but then again they censor genitals in their pornography, and THAT'S weird.
 
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