March 2009: Advent Children Complete and... (FFXIII news)

Xalioniaf said:
Spirits Within demolished an entire division Square had set up to make movies.
Think about that.
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and the video game fans who did see it, most were fantarded and didn't realize a good movie when they watched it.
 
Elemmire said:
and the video game fans who did see it, most were fantarded and didn't realize a good movie when they watched it.
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The bolded up is entirely debatable because it's made up completely of opinion.

There's a reason why it was the cause of the closing of film departments at Square:
Spoiler:
It was horribly bad.
 
Finally got my hands on FFVII: AC complete, and wow.. what an improvement. They really should have added those Denzel scenes in the original release. Completely helps to let you know just who the heck this new kid is. The anime episode about Denzel really helped put even more of a back-story on him as well as bridged scenes from the cgi movie for an even better understanding of why Denzel even is in the story. I am extremely glad they did this. The original release had practically zero information on him or why he was even important.

I also loved the extended and altered fight scene at the end of the movie. Very nice. All in all, the added scenes helped AC to paint a much clearer story. And watching this on Blu-Ray was quite a visual treat.

The extra feature's Compilation that went through all the more recent games, starting with Before Crisis and ending with Dirge of Cerberus was a phenomenal retelling of the events leading up to and through FFVII. Definitely worth the watch.

The preview for FFXIII looked pretty sweet too.

All in all, I'm ready to turn in my original AC dvd and just keep this one. Completely better version.
 
Eleibfrid said:
The bolded up is entirely debatable because it's made up completely of opinion.

There's a reason why it was the cause of the closing of film departments at Square:
Spoiler:
It was horribly bad.
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what was bad about it though? The voice acting was superb (JAMES WOODS!!!), the CG was the best and beyond anything at the time, the story was good, the characters had actual development. It might be opinion, true, but why do you think it was bad then? It killed that studio cause Americans have the stupid mindset that "animated movies are only for kids" (well they did even more back then, it's slowly been getting more popular but it's still got a stigma of "animated = kiddy") and the FF fantards weren't happy cause it didn't have summons and crap... and prolly cause it didn't have sephiroth or a sephiroth-ish image -_- I mean, it did come out after FF7/FF8 era I think, not long after at least. If it didn't have a "FF" title on it, I bet it would have been more highly praised.

I'm still more pissed that they didn't release a FFXIII demo with the fucking blu-ray complete like the Japanese get.. just like I'm still pissed the Japanese get "Final Mixes" and shit -_- fuck them! bah...
 
Elemmire said:
what was bad about it though? The voice acting was superb (JAMES WOODS!!!), the CG was the best and beyond anything at the time, the story was good, the characters had actual development. It might be opinion, true, but why do you think it was bad then? It killed that studio cause Americans have the stupid mindset that "animated movies are only for kids" (well they did even more back then, it's slowly been getting more popular but it's still got a stigma of "animated = kiddy") and the FF fantards weren't happy cause it didn't have summons and crap... and prolly cause it didn't have sephiroth or a sephiroth-ish image -_- I mean, it did come out after FF7/FF8 era I think, not long after at least. If it didn't have a "FF" title on it, I bet it would have been more highly praised.

I'm still more pissed that they didn't release a FFXIII demo with the fucking blu-ray complete like the Japanese get.. just like I'm still pissed the Japanese get "Final Mixes" and shit -_- fuck them! bah...
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Voice acting was eh at best, CG I will give to you, the story was stupid (spirits of another planet taking over ours must use lifestream-esque stuff to ward them off), and the characters had little to no development.

Your comment about Americans having a stupid mindset about not seeing animated movies is wrong, just look at Pixar and Dreamworks. The Toy Story and Shrek series' (which both came out both before and about the same time as FFSW) could be considered childish but they both made huge amounts of profit from both child and adult audiences, because they were good. Something FFSW was not.

And if you really want to play a demo that practically plays itself. Just import the damn thing. It's not that hard. I wouldn't expect them to put effort into localizing a demo that's only so long of gameplay.
 
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Toy Story and Shrek are kid's movies; so you're not refuting her point about the American mindset that animated = for kids. To be fair, Toy Story, Shrek, etc, got inflated ticket sales because they were targeted towards kids, but the parents had to buy tickets for themselves as well. They were great movies, but they did receive a decent amount of "help" from being targeted towards kids. Spirits Within was targeted towards adults(part of why it failed), and you're completely out of touch if you think there still isn't a social stigma of "cartoons = for kids" in America.

Spirits Within failed because it was called Final Fantasy, period. Opinions of the quality of the movie are irrelevant; it was the name that killed the movie. Every review that I saw about the movie at the time all started with "I didn't want to see this since I never played the games so I wouldn't understand what was going on." Most did not say the movie was bad, although there was a few that said that the graphics were so good they would distract you throughout the movie.
 
Bajaratt said:
Toy Story and Shrek are kid's movies; so you're not refuting her point about the American mindset that animated = for kids. To be fair, Toy Story, Shrek, etc, got inflated ticket sales because they were targeted towards kids, but the parents had to buy tickets for themselves as well. They were great movies, but they did receive a decent amount of "help" from being targeted towards kids. Spirits Within was targeted towards adults(part of why it failed), and you're completely out of touch if you think there still isn't a social stigma of "cartoons = for kids" in America.

Spirits Within failed because it was called Final Fantasy, period. Opinions of the quality of the movie are irrelevant; it was the name that killed the movie. Every review that I saw about the movie at the time all started with "I didn't want to see this since I never played the games so I wouldn't understand what was going on." Most did not say the movie was bad, although there was a few that said that the graphics were so good they would distract you throughout the movie.
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Exactly where did I say that there is no such stigma anymore? I didn't.

There are much more cartoons/cartoon series' geared toward teens and adults more than there ever was before. Just look at everything from Fox, to Adult Swim, to Comedy Central that was on the air years before SW came out.

The fact that it was animated wasn't the cause that it didn't do well. The fact that it was bad was the cause that it didn't do well. You can make a pile of crap the most polished, shiny, smoothest thing in the world, but it's still a pile of crap.
 
Eleibfrid said:
Exactly where did I say that there is no such stigma anymore? I didn't.

There are much more cartoons/cartoon series' geared toward teens and adults more than there ever was before. Just look at everything from Fox, to Adult Swim, to Comedy Central that was on the air years before SW came out.

The fact that it was animated wasn't the cause that it didn't do well. The fact that it was bad was the cause that it didn't do well. You can make a pile of crap the most polished, shiny, smoothest thing in the world, but it's still a pile of crap.
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No, the fact that it was named after a video game is why it didn't do well.
 
I think it sucked but since when do movies have to be good to be profitable? It helps I guess but what's more important is keeping the budget within range of your potential audience. It needed to be in the hundreds of millions to even break even. If that's what they were going for, they needed to put a lot more effort into making a good plot and decent characters.

I think the usual thing that separates a good movie from a bad one is having a point. When I watch "Casino" I feel I am watching a movie that's built around the concept and story that existed before the movie did. When I watch the Spirits Within, I feel I am watching a patched together plot that was thought up to justify the technology that they wanted to display.

Being animated and not geared to kids hurts sales. Being labeled Final Fantasy without resembling the Final Fantasy games hurts sales. But it doesn't mean that the movie itself wasn't just god awful.
 
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