MDB set.

[Zeldageek]

Why hello there blue mage masses!
I was wondering if any of you guys had a MDB set for blu, as I was looking at tanking JoL on BLU/RDM, and I think I've found a decent set up, but I was wondering if anyone had any existing ones they would like to share.

 

[Caerloc]

Doesnt alot of the BLU hate-spells have a short range? I mean, anything that can accumulate hate can easily tank JoL, but nolt if you have to put yourself in melee range.

Anyways, most good MDB and MDT pieces can be worn on almost all jobs, so it shouldnt be to hard to get a decent set.

 

[K. Ishitar]

mid to close range yes at best for some spells 15' or less also a lot of our hate spells have to have no other targets as a lot of them are aoe

 

[Caerloc]

Most of the time you still have to target something to be able to cast it dont you?

 

[Bladewind]

He'd still have access to Dispel Poison Sleep and all the other decent enmity spells /rdm provides so I'm sure it's possible.

 

[Linhjah]

mid to close range yes at best for some spells 15' or less also a lot of our hate spells have to have no other targets as a lot of them are aoe

I don't think you'd want to use any AoE spells while fighting JoL unless you plan to keep the area free of Aerns.

 

[Uzor]

As Blade said, he'd still have the main hate tools from /RDM. He'd also have access to auto refresh, conserve MP etc. as well as Exuviation and magic fruit.

 

[K. Ishitar]

for stun and flash spells yes you'd have to target something such as jettaura, actinic burst, soporific/sheep song dispels and etc.

like uzor said for self targeting spells exuviation and magic fruit are the way to go, but for self targeting hate spells are kinda limited

diffusion > exuviation also a nice hate tool

icewolf would know better on this kinda stuff i just know what procs a lot of hate as far as spells go

http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?t=64676&page=3

 

[Caerloc]

I just fail to se the point, if he is gonna use rdm spells. Then why not simply use PLD/RDM. I could see the fun in trying new things, but it's nothing new if he's just using rdm-spells. i could even see it if BLU was the only job the OP had to do it with, but since he actually has pld to... I dont see the point. Whats the difference between spamming rdm spells as a pld or spamming them as a blu?

 

[etchdog2000]

I am confident he is BLU only.

 

[Caerloc]

Says BLU PLD THF under his avatar.

 

[Uzor]

I'm guessing he want to try something new to see if it would be more efficient. Since JoL is almost exclusively spells-only, I could see how BLU could be great, considering all of the MDB buffs it get.

 

[Caerloc]

It would work. Any job /rdm could tank JoL. That's not the point im trying to make. If you are gonna rely on /rdm to do the job, PLD would be the best pick. If he was saying he was wanting to tank something BLU/RDM by using the BLU spells or tanking BLU/NIN or w/e thats actually using more BLU spells i could see the fun in it. But not when he is just gonna recycle the same spells he would as PLD/RDM. And the point that BLU would have alot of spells that gives mdb is pretty much negated by the fact that PLD has acess to stronger base gear, rampart and also sentinel and shield mastery for pops.

But again, i'll say it works, but im willing to bet its not better, and i dont see how it could even feel different.

 

[Uzor]

Fair enough

 

[Zeldageek]

The idea behind this was for the use of saline coat, and i do admit I do like trying new things.

 

[Ewok]

I am not familar with JoL, but if the big problem with it is magic dmg, BLU might be better, depending on what gear is available. Also, if he uses tacos + cocoon, that's a +75% boost to his defense, coupled with things like Protect from the party healer, and maybe Phalanx, makes for a decent blood tank. Diffusion + Exuviation that hits 6 people will take you to about 1/3 of the cap for CE, if I remember, which is a nice starter. I think /rdm hate tools would be more of a suppliment, as opposed to primary hate tools. Also, aoes like actinic burst have a very narrow range, so in theory, they could still be used as long you pay attention to your surroundings, you can still throw one in here and there. Has anyone tried blu/pld? Defender + cocoon + tacos = +100% defense, plus I believe /pld gets a JA that doubles hate of ja/ma's used while it is up? Would mean that + Diffusion + Exuviation (x 6 people) = 2/3 CE cap. As it was stated above, Icewolf would probably be the best person to consult on this.

 

[Bladewind]

I am not familar with JoL, but if the big problem with it is magic dmg, BLU might be better, depending on what gear is available. Also, if he uses tacos + cocoon, that's a +75% boost to his defense, coupled with things like Protect from the party healer, and maybe Phalanx, makes for a decent blood tank. Diffusion + Exuviation that hits 6 people will take you to about 1/3 of the cap for CE, if I remember, which is a nice starter. I think /rdm hate tools would be more of a suppliment, as opposed to primary hate tools. Also, aoes like actinic burst have a very narrow range, so in theory, they could still be used as long you pay attention to your surroundings, you can still throw one in here and there. Has anyone tried blu/pld? Defender + cocoon + tacos = +100% defense, plus I believe /pld gets a JA that doubles hate of ja/ma's used while it is up? Would mean that + Diffusion + Exuviation (x 6 people) = 2/3 CE cap. As it was stated above, Icewolf would probably be the best person to consult on this.

You stand just outside of JoLs melee range to tank so he only uses spells to attack you making DEF irrelevant. Generally people are spread out so that JoLs AoEs only hit the least amount of people, this also means people will be stood out of range for the BLUs AoE moves to hit them reducing the enmity he gains. CE is never really a problem, it's harder to keep VE capped (although much easier /RDM).

You should be geared entirely for -MDT(Merman's rings/earrings) or +MDB(Lamia Mantle+1, I.R.set).

 

[Zeldageek]

Yeah I've done BLU/PLD before for various events. Sent. Diffusion exuviation plops you at about 7800/10000 CE and 9600/10000 VE (due to sent.'s inherent 1800 VE generation upon use.) PLD does get defense bonuses, but defender is a war skill, so even with cocoon and tacos you're likely not to hit the magical 999. /thf for Kirin with taco's protect and cocoon i hit 700, so with defense bonus 2 you would hit around 740~.
But as bladewind said, for JoL at least def. is irrelevant, as JoL does not melee you if you are standing in the correct position. He will cast a large variety of spells from every elemental family, depending on what "mode" he currently is in.

 

[Ewok]

Yeah I've done BLU/PLD before for various events. Sent. Diffusion exuviation plops you at about 7800/10000 CE and 9600/10000 VE (due to sent.'s inherent 1800 VE generation upon use.) PLD does get defense bonuses, but defender is a war skill, so even with cocoon and tacos you're likely not to hit the magical 999. /thf for Kirin with taco's protect and cocoon i hit 700, so with defense bonus 2 you would hit around 740~.
But as bladewind said, for JoL at least def. is irrelevant, as JoL does not melee you if you are standing in the correct position. He will cast a large variety of spells from every elemental family, depending on what "mode" he currently is in.

Yeah, my comment about defender was retarded, forgot that was from /war. So depending on what BLU gets in magic defense/ - magic dmg for gear, it could be a decent tank for JoL. Saline Coat gives what, +20 MDB?

 

[Caerloc]

It gives +50 and decays over time, down to 10. So the average depends on decayspeed. And if it stays at 10 for a while and so on.

But PLD would still probably come out on top. A PLD can easily cap MDT even without Aegis, defending ring or valhalla gear. Iron ram lance, avalon breastplate, resentment cape a mermans earring and a mermans ring vill cap. That leaves alot of room for MDB gear.

A blu has to use all the visible slots, both rings and earrings, just to get MDT to -25.
Idk, its possible you could make a better tank, but even with saline coat it takes alot of gear.

Def isnt really irrelevant when you do JoL with 12 or so tho, then the tank will have to eat a few hits from summons, and possibly an astral flow or 2.