Meastoso and Garbageman Pauk

[Rayn]

Does this mean that everytime someone thinks they were slighted, they should get a gm to check the other party's logs?



Well, if you really want to know. I think your ls is shady. Your ls consists of members that use other ls to get the gear they want and then jump ship to join u guys. People that have no loyalties to others that actually got them to that point. A certain rdm that got w. legs and jumped to your ls the very same day comes to mind. But he's not the only person. It happens all the time. The ls that actually did all the work end up at square 1, while your ls gets people already geared up and ready to go, thus stifling other ls'.

Lol I'm pretty sure I know which rdm you make mention of by getting w. legs and then leaving. Anyways if we are on the same track he certainly deserved those w. legs since the last pair (prior to when he actually got his) went to someone else that accidentally outlotted said rdm. Said rdm spent a lot of time helping with farming and when he got them then left well thats a choice that he made. Say what you want (and you obviously do), but he made a choice.

My perspective on Kaizen is that they have some high caliber players that know what they are doing. Yeah sure they may have an "elitist" attitude but when you know what you are doing and do it well then you at least you have some foundation for being "elitist". Elitists set themselves apart by their savvy. You "might" be jealous because you probably don't have as many opportunities for getting those highly coveted items that others want.

In my defense I'm not kissing ass to Kaizen to stay within their good graces but just expressing my viewpoint. As a NA ls they are top notch along with the likes of Pers. People say Pers has hackers but enough of the pointing of fingers because thats all just speculation because of frustration.

 

[Acutie]

fubio is a twat, who cares what he says

 

[Phraust]

Be more specific please.

You are making some pretty broad generalizations...

"The way your LS treats people."

All I can say is, I've seen some Linkshells do some Exceptionally stupid shit, like Cheat to kill Bahamut, Call for help on Fafnir, Wipe to NQ behemoth, brag incessantly form everything form Killing Vrtra to Wiping thier asses for the first time.

C'mon...

We're not the ones on forums bragging about our tactics and accomplishments, Saying stupid shit like "First NA this, that, and whatever..." Especially those peopel that used Hacks and cheats/exploits to win...

If you were nice mature folks that didn't take our help and advice for granted, bite our hand when we offered to help, or do something insanely stupid like join Kurei's shell or JDA or something, we were generally Nice...

As far as LS hoppers go, Listen... Birds of a feather... People need a certain level of perfessionalism at some point. Going to sky 3-4 times a week is nice and all for four years, but to some, it gets mighty old. You could easily say that they could make thier Linkshells better and help thier members succeed, but some people aren't built that way. It takes leaders to do that. A lot of the skilled people leaving your shell are not leaders, they are just really fucking good at thier jobs. They work instictually. It just so happens we got some of the best theorists, planners, and tactitians on the server. Like minds collect, they see the game differently than you do. They don't see "Of shit, we're losing! Call For Help!" They see a way out.. Every God Damned Time...

You're going to realize this real soon in life. People that are leaders or born destined for greater things don't usually have time to fuck around. You may think it's being Elitist, but how many College students do you see having intelectual conversations with High Schoolers? It's better to just brush off so the immature folks so you can deal with other, more important stuff.

It all boils down to this:

You do not deal with rejection and failure well (Both of you).

May it be through observation, or personal experience. You do not deal well with the concept. You weren't offered a position in a decent shell, you took what you could get. You settled, just to have the sensation of a mediocre success, even if it means turning a blind eye to cheating. And it hurts to watch others succeed, and be better than you. You call us elitists cause we are better than you, then so be it. We worked hard for ours, and never settled. We're the best because we never settled for anything less.

Your immaturity shows more than you like to admit. Just the fact you run to the forum to bitch shows your desparate need for Valildation and a reassurance of self worth. Just relax. You are going to get caught up in a bullshit. You will always hate us for reasons pretaining to your own Skill Level/Maturity level; but no matter what, it won't bring you anything positive. What has being angry gotten you besides spite feuled actions that get you banned? It's the thought processes behind actions like calling for help on a rare monster that spawns every 22 hours or so, or shooting off your mouth, that impede your developement. It's not your actions themselves, it's YOU. YOU are not liked, because YOU choose to go about things in certain ways and don't learn from your mistakes.

Congratulations, you've informed the readers that you think lots of people and you hate Kaizen. What has that gotten you? You satisfied? You Vindicated? I never really had an opinion on you guys till recent days. I am sure there are a lot of people out there that didn't either. I can assure you, you look more an ass than an angel... Save what reputation you have left, and just let it go.

 

[Sirelrohir]

Lol I'm pretty sure I know which rdm you make mention of by getting w. legs and then leaving. Anyways if we are on the same track he certainly deserved those w. legs since the last pair (prior to when he actually got his) went to someone else that accidentally outlotted said rdm. Said rdm spent a lot of time helping with farming and when he got them then left well thats a choice that he made. Say what you want (and you obviously do), but he made a choice.

My perspective on Kaizen is that they have some high caliber players that know what they are doing. Yeah sure they may have an "elitist" attitude but when you know what you are doing and do it well then you at least you have some foundation for being "elitist". Elitists set themselves apart by their savvy. You "might" be jealous because you probably don't have as many opportunities for getting those highly coveted items that others want.

In my defense I'm not kissing ass to Kaizen to stay within their good graces but just expressing my viewpoint. As a NA ls they are top notch along with the likes of Pers. People say Pers has hackers but enough of the pointing of fingers because thats all just speculation because of frustration.

Rayn, never had any issues with you. you are a good guy. Im not saying he didnt deserve the w. legs. Its my opinion that its shitty of a person to use an ls to get an item, then abandon said ls for greener pastures. And i was just using him as an example. Many people in that ls have this pattern of behavior. If they know that they are going to switch ls' then let the ls they are going to help them get items. If your ok with elitism, hey w/e floats your boat. But not everyone shares that attitude.

Its not jealousy that drives me to dislike kaizen. At this point, there are many ls that do the same things that they do. If i wanted to I would apply to these ls'. Im not interested in kings though. Its not fun for me to stand around for hours waiting for a mob to spawn.

 

[Lavi]

Once again, since you didn't read my reply to Firestreak. I didn't use gear as superiority. I used it as proof that I'm not nobody as Fubio referred to me. Because to have gear you have to have respect of people to help you, and you are somebody when you have respect. I also never mentioned what gear I have, so you can't possibly draw a conclusion that I was stating my superiority to anyone else. All I said was I have rare gear that takes lots of people to get, which in turns makes me somebody, not nobody.

Also, Sire is misrepresenting what I said. He should really read my posts better. Rare gear is like trophy, it's a representation of what you and your ls have achieved. My LS has helped me a lot, so have many people outside of ls. That alone makes me somebody. Rare gear is just a representation of all the help I've gotten and given. Also, I quite clearly state my gear is far from good. I only referred to rare items that take time and dedication of numerous people to obtain. I never mentioned which items I had, and there you go misrepresenting me like I'm showing off. Also, his name is Zalbag, not Zalbar. Two different people.

How you spend your time is your choice. What your saying is because you spent your time obtaining your rare/ex gear, you are somehow superior to someone who does not. I didn't mistake it, I didn't misread it, it didn't get misrepresented to me, it's exactly what you are saying. What you do doesn't make you somebody, it makes you someone. It may differentiate you from the pack or stand out in a crowd, but it doesn't make you any better or a somebody. What you are suggesting is that somehow doing what you do must make you a somebody and I don't believe that for one bit. That might make you a somebody to your shell, to your friends, to those who consider gear everything, but not in the broad scheme of things. It's like suggesting Paris Hilton is a somebody when to some people, she's just a dumb whore (She is.). Kinda get the comparison? You're using it to compare yourself to another person and you cannot do that. Your trying to make your accomplishments seem more real or better than someone else's when the conditions upon those accomplishments are different.

I am not trying to be an ass, but to me and I believe others as well, a person is judged on their actions and how they act not their gear (which is what you are suggesting). While yes, your actions can lead to obtaining gear, obtaining gear is not the only action in this game. There are many more which can make a person or even break a person. Would completing all the quests make a person a somebody? It takes a lot of time, effort and teamwork for someone to accomplish such a task and it is by all measures a great feat. Perhaps, someone who's completed all the missions? Killed every NM at least once? Just because you have one accomplishment, doesn't mean you somehow can stand above someone else as a somebody. You're a somebody to some and a nobody to everyone else. It's cold, but it's the truth. I don't know you, I don't care about your accomplishments and to me, you're nobody. Maybe if some time in the future, we started up a conversation and became friends or even enemies (you never know :wink, then you'll be someone or perhaps even a sombody to me, but until then you're probably nobody to a lot of people.

Now, while you are a somebody to your friends, aquaintances and shell mates, you're nobody on these boards. Again, I know it's cold, but when you are trying to put someone down you don't even know because he's a nobody to you, you're a nobody to a lot of people too for the very same reason. So really, you're just pointing the finger when you're no different.

 

[Artem]

How you spend your time is your choice. What your saying is because you spent your time obtaining your rare/ex gear, you are somehow superior to someone who does not. I didn't mistake it, I didn't misread it, it didn't get misrepresented to me, it's exactly what you are saying. What you do doesn't make you somebody, it makes you someone. It may differentiate you from the pack or stand out in a crowd, but it doesn't make you any better or a somebody. What you are suggesting is that somehow doing what you do must make you a somebody and I don't believe that for one bit. That might make you a somebody to your shell, to your friends, to those who consider gear everything, but not in the broad scheme of things. It's like suggesting Paris Hilton is a somebody when to some people, she's just a dumb whore (She is.). Kinda get the comparison? You're using it to compare yourself to another person and you cannot do that. Your trying to make your accomplishments seem more real or better than someone else's when the conditions upon those accomplishments are different.

I am not trying to be an ass, but to me and I believe others as well, a person is judged on their actions and how they act not their gear (which is what you are suggesting). While yes, your actions can lead to obtaining gear, obtaining gear is not the only action in this game. There are many more which can make a person or even break a person. Would completing all the quests make a person a somebody? It takes a lot of time, effort and teamwork for someone to accomplish such a task and it is by all measures a great feat. Perhaps, someone who's completed all the missions? Killed every NM at least once? Just because you have one accomplishment, doesn't mean you somehow can stand above someone else as a somebody. You're a somebody to some and a nobody to everyone else. It's cold, but it's the truth. I don't know you, I don't care about your accomplishments and to me, you're nobody. Maybe if some time in the future, we started up a conversation and became friends or even enemies (you never know :wink, then you'll be someone or perhaps even a sombody to me, but until then you're probably nobody to a lot of people.

Now, while you are a somebody to your friends, aquaintances and shell mates, you're nobody on these boards. Again, I know it's cold, but when you are trying to put someone down you don't even know because he's a nobody to you, you're a nobody to a lot of people too for the very same reason. So really, you're just pointing the finger when you're no different.

You are clearly retarded and are unable to read. I never once compared myself to anyone through gear. I never once said I was more superior to anyone because of my gear. You clearly need to learn how to read, when I actually said that I'm not comparing to anyone. It was my defense at an insult at me. I never said Fubio is nobody. I didn't say anyone was nobody. I said it takes respect to get gear and that makes you somebody. Now because some of you ignorant kids don't know how to read right, there's no need to come out and try to make people look like assholes.

Damn you'd think by now some of you know how to read.

 

[Lavi]

Yes, I'm nobody. I guess that's why I have all this stuff for being nobody.

Know what you are talking about. Just because I don't involve myself on QCDN often, does not make me a nobody. I only post in select post I think are interesting. And seeing you getting banned is interesting AND entertaining.

My gear is quite far from good. I have rare gear that nobodies can't get.

You're implying you need gear to be a somebody and that's nobodies are the ones without it. Or more aptly, you can't be a somebody without gear and since you have gear you must be a somebody. You're a nobody who wants to compensate with gear so in all respects, you're still a nobody. But what do I know, I can't read apparently.

 

[meeze]

You're implying you need gear to be a somebody and that's nobodies are the ones without it. Or more aptly, you can't be a somebody without gear and since you have gear you must be a somebody. You're a nobody who wants to compensate with gear so in all respects, you're still a nobody. But what do I know, I can't read apparently.

If he had used quotes around nobody it would be more clear. I read it the same way you did.

Here is a quick recap:

Fubio: You are a nobody

Artem: Nobodies can't get the gear I have.

He just used bad wording, but his intent doesn't seem to be demeaning towards nobodies.

 

[Firestreak]

Well it seemed like he was implying what I thought at first, but since he clarified what he meant exactly there's not much to say.

Although it is kinda lame if Fubio was really temp-banned over nothing. I guess I just need to be on my toes if I'm exping near whoever it is that GM called if they got killed. I don't have an opinion either way towards Meastoso, Pauk or Fubio, but I know in general I wouldn't wanna get GM called everytime the rival party gets a dead member.

I mean hell I've dia'd slept mobs of parties being total dicks and I don't consider that GM-able, as in if you don't wanna take the risk don't act like a dick while pulling 3 mobs at once.

 

[Sirelrohir]

Be more specific please.

You are making some pretty broad generalizations...

"The way your LS treats people."

All I can say is, I've seen some Linkshells do some Exceptionally stupid shit, like Cheat to kill Bahamut, Call for help on Fafnir, Wipe to NQ behemoth, brag incessantly form everything form Killing Vrtra to Wiping thier asses for the first time.

C'mon...

So what, they call for help. Are you pissed that they just dont hand you the nm? Hell, if they call for help and recover and get the NM again, then it was worth it, right? Wasnt their a thread the first time u guys beat tiamat? As for flee hacking and cheating in general, u really shouldnt talk. Your ls is just as bad as anyone else.

We're not the ones on forums bragging about our tactics and accomplishments, Saying stupid shit like "First NA this, that, and whatever..." Especially those peopel that used Hacks and cheats/exploits to win...

Oh? Funny, i saw something in this very thread about somebody's and no bodys, due to gear...

If you were nice mature folks that didn't take our help and advice for granted, bite our hand when we offered to help, or do something insanely stupid like join Kurei's shell or JDA or something, we were generally Nice...

I have never asked for either your help nor your advise.

As far as LS hoppers go, Listen... Birds of a feather... People need a certain level of perfessionalism at some point. Going to sky 3-4 times a week is nice and all for four years, but to some, it gets mighty old. You could easily say that they could make thier Linkshells better and help thier members succeed, but some people aren't built that way. It takes leaders to do that. A lot of the skilled people leaving your shell are not leaders, they are just really fucking good at thier jobs. They work instictually. It just so happens we got some of the best theorists, planners, and tactitians on the server. Like minds collect, they see the game differently than you do. They don't see "Of shit, we're losing! Call For Help!" They see a way out.. Every God Damned Time...

Dont play stupid. You know who is going to join your shell, and when. While you may see like minds, I see your shell as taking up other ls' resources. If you want that person that badly, then YOU get them the gear that they will use in YOUR shell. This is one of the most underhanded things in the game, and by accepting people you condone this type of behavior. I know for a fact that at least one of your newer initiates was in fact a leader of a shell.

You talk about birds of a feather. So are you trying to say that everyone in your shell has the same shitty attitude that you do?

You're going to realize this real soon in life. People that are leaders or born destined for greater things don't usually have time to fuck around. You may think it's being Elitist, but how many College students do you see having intelectual conversations with High Schoolers? It's better to just brush off so the immature folks so you can deal with other, more important stuff.

You are confusing 2 things here. Elitism vs immaturity. I know you would like to name call and discredit by calling me immature. Its humorous to me. If you hadnt noticed, real life does not translate to in game. Yes, you are a tough guy in game. You can kill a dragon. Dreamy indeed.

It all boils down to this:

You do not deal with rejection and failure well (Both of you).

Oh? that indeed is a news flash for me. I wasnt aware that i was rejected from any thing. Which ls, pray tell, was i rejected from? And failure? Again, can you tell me where i have failed? I have the gear I want. I do the events I want. If that translates into failure, then i suppose alot of people have failed.

May it be through observation, or personal experience. You do not deal well with the concept. You weren't offered a position in a decent shell, you took what you could get. You settled, just to have the sensation of a mediocre success, even if it means turning a blind eye to cheating. And it hurts to watch others succeed, and be better than you. You call us elitists cause we are better than you, then so be it. We worked hard for ours, and never settled. We're the best because we never settled for anything less.

orly? I was under the assumption that I wasnt even looking for a end game shell. But you obviously know more about what i want to do in game then I do. Sweet. Whats on my agenda for tomorow? Am i applying to anyones shell?

You worked hard for yours? Dude, you stand in a zone for 4 hours, waiting for a mob to spawn. When the window appears, you start up your voke bots. Explain to me how this makes you better then me. I'd really like to know.

Your immaturity shows more than you like to admit. Just the fact you run to the forum to bitch shows your desparate need for Valildation and a reassurance of self worth. Just relax. You are going to get caught up in a bullshit. You will always hate us for reasons pretaining to your own Skill Level/Maturity level; but no matter what, it won't bring you anything positive. What has being angry gotten you besides spite feuled actions that get you banned? It's the thought processes behind actions like calling for help on a rare monster that spawns every 22 hours or so, or shooting off your mouth, that impede your developement. It's not your actions themselves, it's YOU. YOU are not liked, because YOU choose to go about things in certain ways and don't learn from your mistakes.

I need to be loved. Phraust, will you love me? This is a cry for attention. Give me a break. This is a game dude. Theres maybe a handful of people i actually give a shit about, and, unfortunatly for you, your not one of them.

My actions got me banned? From what? I called for help on something? What did I call for help on? Details please.

The fact of the matter is you guys are some of the shadiest people on the server, whether its your morals on these boards, or your actions in game.

Congratulations, you've informed the readers that you think lots of people and you hate Kaizen. What has that gotten you? You satisfied? You Vindicated? I never really had an opinion on you guys till recent days. I am sure there are a lot of people out there that didn't either. I can assure you, you look more an ass than an angel... Save what reputation you have left, and just let it go.

Sittin high enough on your horse their phrausty-poo? As far as lookin like an ass, well, assiness is in the eye of the beholder, now isnt it? Dont worry about my rep, I'm ok with what it is.

 

[Rayn]

Yeah no bad blood between you and I Sirel. ^^ I was just saying it like it is. Oh yeah and don't be a stranger mothafucka!! <3

 

[Nasya]

Wasnt their a thread the first time u guys beat tiamat? As for flee hacking and cheating in general, u really shouldnt talk. Your ls is just as bad as anyone else.

yeah, there was, but we didn't start it... and we didn't reply to it other than to say thanks, since it seemed inappropriate not to acknowledge the thread.

There was more i wanted to say but i need to get up for work in 4 hours so... maybe if its still relevant tomorrow night i'll get to it.

 

[Firestreak]

Honestly the whole argument is way too personal for what could be easily a question of cause and effect without any need for hatred. But I think what is an interesting point is the whole issue of taking members from other shells.

I think what you need to look at isn't if it in some way invalidates Kaizen as a shell to get members that were geared up elsewhere, but rather ask yourself what it does to the task of a linkshell trying to build itself up to have to compete for your own members against an older, more accomplished shell that is interested in the ones you've gotten gear for.

As in if there was a shell better than Kaizen out there, that was done with land kings and only doing sea, and getting people Ninhurta sashes, what might it do to Kaizen if they were recruited all the members who got land king gear? Considering these are some of the same people who left their previous shells once they got sky gear, there's a good chance they'd simply step up the ladder.

All the arguments you made to defend the people who left cause they were sick of sky and wanted to do something better would apply yet again. I'm not saying it's your fault as a shell that this situation exists, just every person that comes in Kaizen that left on bad terms is another few people that are resentful at kaizen. Assuming that everyone who doesn't like Kaizen = just people who wish they could be members may be inaccurate, rather I'd suspect it's mainly people who want to build their own shells from the ground up, like you guys had the opportunity to do, without having to worry about a shell siphoning off the members.

Not saying you're doing something wrong by taking in shell hoppers, just saying it sucks that in order for you to keep new members and not have to return to sky, it means other shells have to lose good people.

 

[Phraust]

I was addressing both of you, not just you, some of that stuff was directed at Fubio (I.E. CFH and what not, I'll leave you to reread and decypher the rest.)

Call us shadey all you want, Hunt us down in every thread and turn every thread into your vendetta. I don't care. The fact remains, we go out in the game Knowing there's a way to beat any challenge that arrises legitimately. We also know that Cheating really doen't give anyone an edge, in fact it makes people lazy/paranoid/unskilled. Just look at what Happened to OH... You can't hide that kind of shit forever. Can you name even one person in Kaizen that was ever banned, or suspended? EVER? There's no need for us to cheat. (And here's a little secret, I get off on being called a cheater, it makes me feel super human )

Here it is point blank, and blunt as hell:

90% of the reason people leave thier shells: Immature LS mates that do nothing but cause drama.

5% of them came because thier shell can't do the fights they want to experience.

5% of them left do to LS policies on Cheating and didn't agree wiht the blatant use of Hacks, so they left.

Not even 1% came for the gear.

Kaizen is founded on the precept that we will kill the hardest things, solve the most complicated puzzles, and achieve the most impossible goals. Gear is just a byproduct.

Why would I sit there for 4 hours waiting on a mob? To see it's name in Red. Knowing that Santa came down the Chimney and landed on my bear trap, and now is the time to beat the jolly fatman silly for loot. How does this make me better than you? Because I got an entire LS of the most skilled people on the server that respect me enough to include me in that experience, and are trying thier hardest to make that experience grow into a better one: Watching that gear go out to people that have wondered the effects and imporvements said gear will bring to them. Watching then strut out in their new schwag for the first time.

I'm better than you because I can see the bigger picture. I can help camp a dragon I will recieve no benefit from, because I know that it's drops will help somone that has helped me. These actions are like Blood that courses through out society, each good deed bringing another and circulating... You guys are just the virus known as Stupidity... And there's no cure for Stupidity...

And yes, my horse is quite high thank you. I don't think of myself as an elitist, but I definately have no tollerance for people who waste my time with excuses.

As amusing as this little dialogue has been, I am done with you. I have a feeling this conversaton will get stuck in the infinate loop that is your brain; and I got better things to do.

Cheers.

 

[Sirelrohir]

I was addressing both of you, not just you, some of that stuff was directed at Fubio (I.E. CFH and what not, I'll leave you to reread and decypher the rest.)

Call us shadey all you want, Hunt us down in every thread and turn every thread into your vendetta. I don't care. The fact remains, we go out in the game Knowing there's a way to beat any challenge that arrises legitimately. We also know that Cheating really doen't give anyone an edge, in fact it makes people lazy/paranoid/unskilled. Just look at what Happened to OH... You can't hide that kind of shit forever. Can you name even one person in Kaizen that was ever banned, or suspended? EVER? There's no need for us to cheat. (And here's a little secret, I get off on being called a cheater, it makes me feel super human )

Here it is point blank, and blunt as hell:

90% of the reason people leave thier shells: Immature LS mates that do nothing but cause drama.

5% of them came because thier shell can't do the fights they want to experience.

5% of them left do to LS policies on Cheating and didn't agree wiht the blatant use of Hacks, so they left.

Not even 1% came for the gear.

Kaizen is founded on the precept that we will kill the hardest things, solve the most complicated puzzles, and achieve the most impossible goals. Gear is just a byproduct.

Why would I sit there for 4 hours waiting on a mob? To see it's name in Red. Knowing that Santa came down the Chimney and landed on my bear trap, and now is the time to beat the jolly fatman silly for loot. How does this make me better than you? Because I got an entire LS of the most skilled people on the server that respect me enough to include me in that experience, and are trying thier hardest to make that experience grow into a better one: Watching that gear go out to people that have wondered the effects and imporvements said gear will bring to them. Watching then strut out in their new schwag for the first time.

I'm better than you because I can see the bigger picture. I can help camp a dragon I will recieve no benefit from, because I know that it's drops will help somone that has helped me. These actions are like Blood that courses through out society, each good deed bringing another and circulating... You guys are just the virus known as Stupidity... And there's no cure for Stupidity...

And yes, my horse is quite high thank you. I don't think of myself as an elitist, but I definately have no tollerance for people who waste my time with excuses.

As amusing as this little dialogue has been, I am done with you. I have a feeling this conversaton will get stuck in the infinate loop that is your brain; and I got better things to do.

Cheers.

lol. thank you for your oh so important time. And thank you for making my points for me. =)

 

[Crosis]

So what, they call for help. Are you pissed that they just dont hand you the nm? Hell, if they call for help and recover and get the NM again, then it was worth it, right? Wasnt their a thread the first time u guys beat tiamat? As for flee hacking and cheating in general, u really shouldnt talk. Your ls is just as bad as anyone else.

This coming from the guy who associates with the TWO biggest known flee hacking cheaters on the server and praises one of them in his signature. You know nothing about our LS. You don't do end game whatsoever. There has been no evidence, nor threads ever made by anyone stating people in Kaizen cheat. But you think buying from unknown level one bazaars in no way knowing if they are RMT is cheating though, so who the fuck knows with you.

There have been many against your buds and other LS's that is for damn sure though, with tons of proof to back it up. Yet I don't see you posting in those threads about how wrong cheating is huh? Only any time Kaizen gets mentioned in any topic you have to run here and post your emo replies. I'm sorry we killed the Tiamat your old LS wiped to that regened to 100% and was free to claim over a year ago. You need to grow the fuck up and get over it.

You worked hard for yours? Dude, you stand in a zone for 4 hours, waiting for a mob to spawn. When the window appears, you start up your voke bots. Explain to me how this makes you better then me. I'd really like to know.

Again where do you come up with this shit? You are such a damn hypocrite. You play with your little hacking friends Cyronae and Grayswander, then try to accuse others of cheating? I love how you act like you are so superior and you call us the elitist one. Such LOL.

Guess what we saw the huge amount of evidence against them cheating, you on the otherhand just make shit up. Hey I hear another temp ban is coming for third party tool users, you better go pretend you can't logon because you are busy again.

Dont play stupid. You know who is going to join your shell, and when. While you may see like minds, I see your shell as taking up other ls' resources. If you want that person that badly, then YOU get them the gear that they will use in YOUR shell. This is one of the most underhanded things in the game, and by accepting people you condone this type of behavior. I know for a fact that at least one of your newer initiates was in fact a leader of a shell.

Oh so because someone was a co-leader of another LS they must forever stay in that shell until it breaks or people stop playing? People have a right to leave LS's if they want to. Why the hell should they stay in a LS that makes them unhappy? You have such good logic really.

The fact of the matter is you guys are some of the shadiest people on the server, whether its your morals on these boards, or your actions in game.

Hypocrite til the end.

 

[Pastry]

I once partied with Fubio, it was really good EXP. The party was mostly non-english speaking players, was boring.

 

[Sirelrohir]

This coming from the guy who associates with the TWO biggest known flee hacking cheaters on the server and praises one of them in his signature. You know nothing about our LS. You don't do end game whatsoever. There has been no evidence, nor threads ever made by anyone stating people in Kaizen cheat. But you think buying from unknown level one bazaars in no way knowing if they are RMT is cheating though, so who the fuck knows with you.

There have been many against your buds and other LS's that is for damn sure though, with tons of proof to back it up. Yet I don't see you posting in those threads about how wrong cheating is huh? Only any time Kaizen gets mentioned in any topic you have to run here and post your emo replies. I'm sorry we killed the Tiamat your old LS wiped to that regened to 100% and was free to claim over a year ago. You need to grow the fuck up and get over it.



Again where do you come up with this shit? You are such a damn hypocrite. You play with your little hacking friends Cyronae and Grayswander, then try to accuse others of cheating? I love how you act like you are so superior and you call us the elitist one. Such LOL.

Guess what we saw the huge amount of evidence against them cheating, you on the otherhand just make shit up. Hey I hear another temp ban is coming for third party tool users, you better go pretend you can't logon because you are busy again.



Oh so because someone was a co-leader of another LS they must forever stay in that shell until it breaks or people stop playing? People have a right to leave LS's if they want to. Why the hell should they stay in a LS that makes them unhappy? You have such good logic really.



Hypocrite til the end.

LOL, i was wondering when you were going to come out from under your rock. Yes, I associate with cyro. Ive known her longer then anyone here. I cant defend what she did, but I wont abandon her. While you may be quick to dismiss your friends im not.

You finally understand. I dont do end game. Im proud of you. Seriously, if anything that right there made my night. However, I have many friends that do end game. You seem to be under the impression that I only have friends in anteres. Rest assured, thats not the case. I have friends spread throughout end game. I used to be involved in end game. I've seen things, and heard things from reliable sources about your ls. Is it proof? Nope. But then again, proof only matters to you when its your buddy on the line, doesnt it.

Now, if you had bothered reading, you would have noticed that i havent liked kaizen from before the tiamat incedent. Hell, its probably been since before you even started playing. You are the only one obsessed with tiamat. No one cares lol.

The statement i made about a leader joining your shell was directed towards a particular sentance phraust said. Go back and reread. People have a right to leave indeed. The ls they are in also has a right to know in advance that they are leaving. Or perhaps you dont agree with that?

lolemo.

 

[meeze]

LOL, i was wondering when you were going to come out from under your rock. Yes, I associate with cyro. Ive known her longer then anyone here. I cant defend what she did, but I wont abandon her. While you may be quick to dismiss your friends im not.

That is why cheating and gil buying are so rampant in this game. No one wants to out thier friends. Well, you calling someone a cheater is just more pot calling the kettle black. Whether you cheat yourself, or hang out with cheaters, you are condoning it either way, and saying it is ok. You helping cheaters out just reaffirms to them that is the easiest way to get what they want.

If you want to be a real man, ditch the cheaters (hackers, buyers, sellers). "I'd rather die like a man than live my life as a bitch, I'd rather live in the pen, than walk the streets as a snitch" - Mac Dre.

I'd rather never see piece of gear from kings or sky than to know I had to cheat to get it. All the scumbags that cheated for their gear can't feel any real sense of accomplishment in this game. Cheaters and those that associate with cheaters are wronger than two left shoes and should take a long walk off a short pier.

What is so much more dishonorable in taking other shells geared up players than taking other shells claims by using claim bots? People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

[Antor]

Well it seemed like he was implying what I thought at first, but since he clarified what he meant exactly there's not much to say.

Even so, English is the guy's third language. I can see where it could be a little misleading, but anyone should be able to understand his intent, right (like you did)? Especially after he clarified it.