Minimum wage increase passes House

hmm... bleh.. I like the idea of more money working at a part time job but... i remember something about keep raising the minimum wage having negative effects.. but I can't remember what they were... hmmm *shrugs*
 
jesus. a $2+ increase? thats a bit much.

this country is retarded, we are trying to drive ourselves into the ground arent we?
 
When working full time at $7/hr barely pays the cost of living you might think there's a problem too. Not everyone's parents pamper and pay their way through college so they can get a pretty sheet of paper saying they're smart, to further ease employer's minds that paper = results! Most the dumbfucks who "go to school" just skip classes and get wasted every night anyway on their mommy's money and get by enough to get their degrees. And these are the people we consider successful.

GG
 
Svina said:
When working full time at $7/hr barely pays the cost of living you might think there's a problem too. Not everyone's parents pamper and pay their way through college so they can get a pretty sheet of paper saying they're smart, to further ease employer's minds that paper = results! Most the dumbfucks who "go to school" just skip classes and get wasted every night anyway on their mommy's money and get by enough to get their degrees. And these are the people we consider successful.

GG
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although this is true to an extent, i represent the ones that actually payed out of pocket to get an education.. this makes you appreciate the benefit more so to speak. a 2 dollar increase will do most people good either way you look at it. it could be worse, more welfare increases.
 
Not to mention giving minimum wage workers a raise means more money for people to spend.

And quite honestly some people just cant work a 40 hr week and afford to go school, if they have kids or whatever. And, those jobs are needed and important for us and they work very hard, harder then most with degree required jobs (please note, I not saying all minium wage workers work that hard, but a good percentage of them do).

It is very hard just supporting yourself on those wages. I lived in San DIego for a couple of years and just started at Starbucks, and let me tell you that money went fast. It was very very hard (oh and yes I have a college degree, this is what I did when I graduated and wanted to get away being that I was burnt out) just to eat and when emergency's happen (ie Medical, Car Accident) you have nothing and thus you end up in debt. Now I couldnt imagine how I would survive if I had say a kid or even a cat for that matter.

So I say "Good for the Government" finnally doing something that directly and quickly helps the working class up front.
 
neophytal said:
jesus. a $2+ increase? thats a bit much.

this country is retarded, we are trying to drive ourselves into the ground arent we?
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You are kidding, correct?
For me to go to college, I only have around $25,000 in the bank. Working for around $7/hour at Mickey D's 40 hours a week is: $280 a week. For a year, that is roughly $14,560 a year. Now, that does not include bills, and other purchases you make. That is just your income for a year.

Say you're a sophomore in high school, with roughly $45,000 in the bank for college. You work at Burger King for $7.25 to the hour. 7.25 x 40 = 290
So, $290/week. That is an annual income of $15,080.00 (290 x 52). That's one year, add 15,080 x 2 to that annual income. That is an income of $45,240. Saying that you don't make any deposits in your bank account, and take out all the expenses from your income (tax especially), you will not have enough for many colleges.
 
I think neo is looking at it from an economic standpoint, not a personal one.
 
Ehh the cost of everything will adjust and minimum wage will still not "be enough".
 
Minimum wage is already $7.25 here in Rhode Island, and I'm moving to Washington state where it's $7.83. Not a huge deal.

At any rate (pardon the lame pun), you all seem to be missing the point in that the republicans are doing their classic bill-combination song and dance with cutting estate taxes on multi-million dollar inheritances. They either get what they want or they get to say that the democrats voted against raising minimum wage. Political grandstanding for the November elections. Disgusting.
 
Songi_ said:
Minimum wage is already $7.25 here in Rhode Island, and I'm moving to Washington state where it's $7.83. Not a huge deal.

At any rate (pardon the lame pun), you all seem to be missing the point in that the republicans are doing their classic bill-combination song and dance with cutting estate taxes on multi-million dollar inheritances. They either get what they want or they get to say that the democrats voted against raising minimum wage. Political grandstanding for the November elections. Disgusting.
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Please save us from the preaching politics in Democrats vs. Republicans in this bill. I don't care if it is a poltical stunt, or to actually help the people. It's going to help alot of low income families that live off of minimum wage.

And to Acutie's statement :
I think neo is looking at it from an economic standpoint, not a personal one.
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Personal income affects the economy. The more money people have and recieve through income, the more they will be able to spend, which then cycles the money. It's going to affect tax dollars, but it may hopefully take unfortunate people off of the street and help them start new lives.

Then, with more people applying for jobs, the business is able to produce more of its product. And then, it is able to gain more money, for it is able to pump out more of its product for a profit.

However, economically, $300,000,000,000 is a large sum of money for this. Needless to say, taxes are going to go up. So, it has its pros and cons.

From a personal standpoint, I find this to be positive for the most part. There is always need for improvement, and a $2.00 increase may be much.
 
Sharpe said:
Fucking hell you're moaning that people are being given a living wage for a job?
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its not the fact of the living wage... i support an increase.. but over $2 increase?

but heres the problem... JOBS that pay less are better than NO jobs. jobs continually go overseas for cheaper labor, materials, and etc.. we raise minimum wage... work goes elsewhere... less work .. and higher costs for goods that come from the US with higher paid workers.

plus dont you see, you eventually PAY for it in the long run with taxes? and all the people that actually MADE it have to pay them? its rather sad.

Torqameda said:
You are kidding, correct?
For me to go to college, I only have around $25,000 in the bank. Working for around $7/hour at Mickey D's 40 hours a week is: $280 a week. For a year, that is roughly $14,560 a year. Now, that does not include bills, and other purchases you make. That is just your income for a year.

Say you're a sophomore in high school, with roughly $45,000 in the bank for college. You work at Burger King for $7.25 to the hour. 7.25 x 40 = 290
So, $290/week. That is an annual income of $15,080.00 (290 x 52). That's one year, add 15,080 x 2 to that annual income. That is an income of $45,240. Saying that you don't make any deposits in your bank account, and take out all the expenses from your income (tax especially), you will not have enough for many colleges.
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its called loans, grants, scholarships? hello? lol. :) i paid my way through college with scholarships... paid all of $300 i think for my college education.

thats part of college, MOST people go in debt. but graduating from college should get you a decent job in which you can pay those off and live a better lifestyle than those who did not go to college.

Acutie said:
I think neo is looking at it from an economic standpoint, not a personal one.
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primarily, correct.
 
neophytal said:
its not the fact of the living wage... i support an increase.. but over $2 increase?

but heres the problem... JOBS that pay less are better than NO jobs. jobs continually go overseas for cheaper labor, materials, and etc.. we raise minimum wage... work goes elsewhere... less work .. and higher costs for goods for the ones that are from here.
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Gotta agree with you there. Outsourcing is a huge problem, along with $2 being a huge increase.

its called loans, grants, scholarships? hello? lol. i paid my way through college with scholarships... paid all of $300 i think for my college education.
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Not everyone is applicable for every type of scholarships, and some families just can't afford to go into debt through loans, let alone a kid who just comes out of college. Then again, there are ways to affects your monthly fees. :biggrin:
 
neophytal said:
thats part of college, MOST people go in debt. but graduating from college should get you a decent job in which you can pay those off and live a better lifestyle than those who did not go to college.

primarily, correct.
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I know many people who graduated college. You know what they're doing now? Mopping floors and flipping burgers. Because you don't just need a degree to get a job, you need several years of experience too MOST of the time. And on top of that they're in huge debt cause of tuition fees.

The standards of the job market have changed since several years ago. What used to be "go to school = get a good job" now just is "go to school = pay off debts for your life working the same job as the douches who didn't go to school". If you're LUCKY however...you may get a decent job. But even then you still end up paying off debts till you're 60. Is that such a great lifestyle?
 
Svina said:
I know many people who graduated college. You know what they're doing now? Mopping floors and flipping burgers. Because you don't just need a degree to get a job, you need several years of experience too MOST of the time. And on top of that they're in huge debt cause of tuition fees.

The standards of the job market have changed since several years ago. What used to be "go to school = get a good job" now just is "go to school = pay off debts for your life working the same job as the douches who didn't go to school". If you're LUCKY however...you may get a decent job. But even then you still end up paying off debts till you're 60. Is that such a great lifestyle?
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He was refering to my statement about the personal econmic calculations I made. I stated that you wouldn't have enough for college, and he came back and refered to grants, loans, scholarships, ect. Which, by all means, is 100% true.
 
Problem is that American goods become MORE expensive and companies are that much more likely to outsource. Why pay an American 9 bucks an hour when you can pay a chinese person 9 cents or a mexican 1 buck an hour for the exact same product. Also effects inflation.
 
Direwolf said:
Problem is that American goods become MORE expensive and companies are that much more likely to outsource. Why pay an American 9 bucks an hour when you can pay a chinese person 9 cents or a mexican 1 buck an hour for the exact same product. Also effects inflation.
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Outsourcing is a mean to keep in the competition with other companies. If a company outsources, they have a huge advantage over their competition.
 
Are you people for real? First off living wage is a joke. How many of you people that are against a raise in minimum wage are still on mommy and daddys healthcare? How many of you pay rent/morgage, car loan/insurance. How many of you buy your own food? What about student loans? That right there is enough to keep you in debt until you're 35 if you don't get a job in the feild that you selected in college.

Or are you in a union that strikes when they feel they aren't getting payed enough?

Outsourcing? What are they going to do? Fax the groceries onto the shelfs at you local supermarket? Maybe they will beam over your starbucks when you order it at a MAC machine type counter. Get real people. The raise in minimum wage is a good thing, because in regards to inflation it is 10 years behind. Or should people be made to work a whole hour just so they can buy a gallon of milk and something to eat that day?
 
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