Miracles really do happen. This is a graphic story...

[Uzor]

lol Uzor you just rambled on everything i already knew.
I'm gonna stop here, cause this morning i realized i was tryin to have a real conversation but then i stoped and noticed IM ON THE FUCKING INTERNET!

Ive always held a great diet, since i grew up with alot of medical problems I always tried my best to eat a healthy diet.

The reason i lost weight being a vegitarian, was the fact that no matter what i ate, it had alot of fiber in it and didnt take as long as whole meat to digest. Not only that because i didnt have meat trapped in me, at first I ate alot more, more times a day you eat the faster your metabolism is gonna be.

Do you really think "I" support a cowboy trying to be a president?

The domination mentality doesnt stop with animals, exploition with children, slave trade still exist, probaly the RMT everyone bitches about.

I can honestly say I dont use any of those 15 product brands you listed, but just cause you cant fix or avoid all wrong doing does not give you the right to roll over and die, funny how you can list all these, you oviously educate yourself and yet you choose to argue with me.

Cant believe im talkin about abortion again, but what profession uses that practice the most? How many rape victims actually get pregnant? Abortion is mainly used by prostitutes and younger women. You guys throwing rape back in my face is like a stoner tryin to use cancer patients to defend his habit. Abortions for rape victims probaly isnt even 1%.

Your only controlled by emotions if you let them control you. Humans have free will which animals dont, you can think before your actions plan for the future, which animals cant.

Yes, I chose to argue with you, because you claim we're ignorant, while you're just as ignorant yourself. You say you have a lot of medical problems. Then you should be well aware that those medicines you're using have been developed through animal testing. And yet, you claim we're acting as PETA guys with animals, but still eat bacon. You claim to be well aware of everything, and a vegetarion (and everyone that isn't a vegetarian have no right to argue about how to handle cats and dogs), and yet you use medicines developed through animal testing. You most likely use toilet paper, which is produced by cuttign down forests, taking away the home of million of animals. You also, most likely, eat food that isn't produced near you, which means the food you eat have contributed to a whole lot of pollution in the air. Additionally, I do believe, and hope, you use toothpase, such as colgates, which have been produced through animal testing. I'd venture you also own a car, which you most likely take instead of public transportation.

So by your own definition, you have no right talking about animal rights, nor world climate. There's a lot of people that fell that "I'll just give Xxx organisation Yyy bucks and I'll have contributed to something good!". This makes them feel good about themselves, that they actually contribute to the world. While what they did doesn't mean anything. In order to make a difference, they must do more then that.

Personally, I'm not one of them. I take public transportations, I only eat food produced near me. However, I am not going to stop eating meat, because I love meat. Eating meat is natural, that's not something you have to change. The world won't become a better palce because people stop eating meat. If you believe that, you are sadly misstaken. You can still eat meat and care about animal rights. You have no right to say we're "ironic" and "shouldn't act like we care about animals when we eat meat!". You're an ignorant fool if that's what your truely believe. So seriously, get off your high horse and shut up. You're no better then anyone else just because you're vegetarian. You don't suddenly earn the right to care about animals when you stop eating meat. That's your choice, and you can have your choice. But you shouldn't, not for one second, think your shit doesn't stink less then everyone elses.

 

[matchuu]

Actually, some of them do.

You can't go around calling us ignorant without knowing even half the truth. You live in a country that goes against world politics on reducing air pollution and curing the world.

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Some isnt good enough for me it shouldnt be good enough for you either.

I never once called anyone ignorant, only you and a few others felt the need to name call.

I never called any direct person a slut, however you guys did directly call me ignorant right off the bat when I was just making a joke.

I even felt guilty and ashamed for the slut comment due to Alydaya post but then I found hes a guy.

 

[Uzor]

Actually, you did call us ignorant. I'll dig it up after I'm done with Dynamis.

And that doesn't change the fact that you act like you're better then everyone, and that we have no right, in your opinion, to talk about cat and dog's rights because we eat meat.

 

[matchuu]

Yes, I chose to argue with you, because you claim we're ignorant, while you're just as ignorant yourself. You say you have a lot of medical problems. Then you should be well aware that those medicines you're using have been developed through animal testing. And yet, you claim we're acting as PETA guys with animals, but still eat bacon. You claim to be well aware of everything, and a vegetarion (and everyone that isn't a vegetarian have no right to argue about how to handle cats and dogs), and yet you use medicines developed through animal testing. You most likely use toilet paper, which is produced by cuttign down forests, taking away the home of million of animals. You also, most likely, eat food that isn't produced near you, which means the food you eat have contributed to a whole lot of pollution in the air. Additionally, I do believe, and hope, you use toothpase, such as colgates, which have been produced through animal testing. I'd venture you also own a car, which you most likely take instead of public transportation.

So by your own definition, you have no right talking about animal rights, nor world climate. There's a lot of people that fell that "I'll just give Xxx organisation Yyy bucks and I'll have contributed to something good!". This makes them feel good about themselves, that they actually contribute to the world. While what they did doesn't mean anything. In order to make a difference, they must do more then that.

Personally, I'm not one of them. I take public transportations, I only eat food produced near me. However, I am not going to stop eating meat, because I love meat. Eating meat is natural, that's not something you have to change. The world won't become a better palce because people stop eating meat. If you believe that, you are sadly misstaken. You can still eat meat and care about animal rights. You have no right to say we're "ironic" and "shouldn't act like we care about animals when we eat meat!". You're an ignorant fool if that's what your truely believe. So seriously, get off your high horse and shut up. You're no better then anyone else just because you're vegetarian. You don't suddenly earn the right to care about animals when you stop eating meat. That's your choice, and you can have your choice. But you shouldn't, not for one second, think your shit doesn't stink less then everyone elses.

I never said I was better than anyone else nor do i feel that way. I said i grew up with alot of medical problems and atm i use no medicine.
I spend the xtra money to buy the earth friendly toilet paper, my tooth paste is organic and free from preservatives such as sugar replacements that cause cancer... think about that people rub cancer causeing chemicals in there teeth every day. I drive very little and when i do my car gets 40 miles to gallon. I know the USA pollutes more than any other country, but i cant change where my family is and where i was born but i can change my actions to help rather than to ignore.

My roomates both eat meat there my best friends you think i pretend im better than them? why would they be my friends then. I always look for the best in ppl that way they can be part of a solution as well. I hate corporations, you think i dont know they cause90% of worlds problems you think i dont know my politicians are bought?

 

[Uzor]

You came in saying

I love seeing all these ppl pretending to be all animal rights activists who probaly eat bacon for breakfast, stop picking and chooseing in between cute animals and not so cute as to how to treat them.

which right there tips off on your "Im better then you" attitude. Then when you start talking about you being a vegetarian, and calling everyone who performs an abortion sluts, strenghtens your "I'm better then you" attitude.

And how on earth do you buy earth friendly paper? Paper is paper, paper is created by cuttign down trees. That doesn't make it more earth friendly. Unless by earth friendly you mean "Paper without added substances such as color", in which case you completely missed my point.

And it doesn't matter if your toothpaste is free of preservatives. So you obviously missed my point there, too. The fact of the matter is that they still use animals as test animals. And instead of driving to your parents, you could use public transportation. I'm sure you can chose other options such as busses and trains.

 

[Kerowynn]

& they call her a sinner
& they call her a killer
& they call her a whore.
God forbid you ever have to walk my linen shoes
then you really might now what it's like
to have to choose.

Mat, try to put yourself outside the box for a minute.

<3 that song! Now it's in my head the rest of the afternoon though! -.-

PS I never called anyone names, but ive been called ignorant by 3 people now nice to know im speaking with adults.

You did say most people that get abortions are sluts, that may not have been a direct insult to anyone here but it was still calling names.

Re-reading your post made me realize i didnt have to respond at all. lol

for the 2nd quote, sorry they dont live near a happy or natural life.

Most ppl ive met dont want to know the truth about how animals are treated they rather live in darkness with a blissful ignorance cause of fear of having to feel guilty and maybe changeing there life style.

one guy i was argueing about foie gras with, I asked him how he could eat something where he knew how its produced and where it comes from which happend to be 20 min from where we lived right there in Sonoma CA, he said he could cause there just "ducks". Then i changed the topic a bit but the same scenario and asked him if he knew Nikes came from a sweat shop ran by children and a pic would be inside the shoe of the poor child, would he purchase the shoes? He answer quickly revealing his true selfish attitude "would you rather pay 300$ for a pair of shoes". That experience made me very adamant in my views twards things, I never want to condone a wrong just because it makes my life easier. I would rather pay more for a product, change my lifestyle a bit, knowing that nothing had to suffer for me.

Side note: that guy was also about 35 years old and a father of two, lil too shocking for me. Feel bad for his kids.

I'm not going to argue foie gras with you because to be honest I think that's a pretty disgusting practice. However, if you are concerned over how the animals are treated prior to slaughtering it's not exactly difficult to go and purchase your meat directly from small local farmers. Generally you have to buy it in larger bulk but you can see the area that the animals live in. Most of these farms don't treat their animals badly at all.^^

This is pretty bogus. If I was a cat/dog I'd much rather be declawed/debarked than end up dead. People love these two type of animals, but they don't always like everything about them.

If declawing me means I will live with people who love me I'll take it. There is an overabundance of animals in our neck of the woods that end up euthanized(sp) by vets every day. There is a lack of homes for these animals, and if someone doesn't want a dog to bark in exchange for letting that dog live, so be it.

I find it more inhumane to neuter/spay your animals. With the reasoning given by anti-debarking/declawing people "if you can't stop your animal from fucking another animal you are a bad owner".

Unfortunately we can't always stop our animals from fucking other animals, that is why they get fixed. We can't always stop our animals from scrathing shit or barking, that is why these other measures are in place. Honestly, it is the only thing keeping a lot of these animals alive, without them, their owners might drop them at the pound, or may have never taken them home in the first place.

Thank you Meeze for explaining what I was trying to say...a bit better than I did.

Really? I've had 5 cats in my lifetime and they all hated being sprayed right in the face with water.

Lol I had a cat once that not only didn't mind the spray bottle, he also loved to lay in running water and play in it... and if you didn't keep the toilet seat down he would go lay in it (eww). He is around 18+ pounds (not fat at all just big) so imagine if he weren't declawed the amount of damage he would do. If I had pictures I would show you where he would exercise his claws on the corner of the couch, suffice it to say the couch died a horrible, horrible death.

lol Uzor you just rambled on everything i already knew.
I'm gonna stop here, cause this morning i realized i was tryin to have a real conversation but then i stoped and noticed IM ON THE FUCKING INTERNET

Saying that you can't have a decent conversation just because you're on the internet is a copout. You can have perhaps an even more decent conversation here because everything is written and recorded so you can look at what was said exactly rather than trying to remember an hour later what points the other person made.

Edit: Also just wanted to note that I'm not condemning you for not eating meat Mat, that's a commendable decision imo (although I could never do it because I <3 meat too much!). I'm just pointing out that there are alternatives to the large slaughterhouses.

 

[matchuu]

Yes, I chose to argue with you, because you claim we're ignorant, while you're just as ignorant yourself. You say you have a lot of medical problems. Then you should be well aware that those medicines you're using have been developed through animal testing.

See your tryin to make me look like I said all animal use it wrong. The thread was on a cat being abused and I brought up the meat industy, because you Uzor were putting yourself higher than Chasym and the others with "OMG i cant believe you declaw your cat, you guys are so cruel" so you were calling them out and all I did was call you out in the same manner but somehow im the overly righteous person, how does that work?

Its not like im on all the Amish ppls ass for useing a bull to pull a damn plow, animals are tools humans have learned to use in everyday life. Using a mouse to test a drug that may save ppls lives is something someone depends on for survival, YOU DONT DEPEND ON MEAT to survive mankind is past that. You already said you choose to eat meat cause you "like" it, knowing that the majority of the animals grow up sick and mistreated, yet somehow im the bad guy I dont get it.

 

[matchuu]

You did say most people that get abortions are sluts, that may not have been a direct insult to anyone here but it was still calling names.

Most of these farms don't treat their animals badly at all.

Saying that you can't have a decent conversation just because you're on the internet is a copout. You can have perhaps an even more decent conversation here because everything is written and recorded so you can look at what was said exactly rather than trying to remember an hour later what points the other person made.

Sorry to say this kero but most abortions are done for those types of ppl i already touched on that.

Most and Some isnt good enough for me and it shouldnt be for anyone, especially for a product you dont need.

That was gonna be my last post on this topic but I guess i was wrong.

 

[matchuu]

And how on earth do you buy earth friendly paper? Paper is paper, paper is created by cuttign down trees. That doesn't make it more earth friendly. Unless by earth friendly you mean "Paper without added substances such as color", in which case you completely missed my point.

And it doesn't matter if your toothpaste is free of preservatives. So you obviously missed my point there, too. The fact of the matter is that they still use animals as test animals. And instead of driving to your parents, you could use public transportation. I'm sure you can chose other options such as busses and trains.

Trees can be cut down and used in a manner where it doesnt effect the environment so much, there just like any other plant. So earth friendly materials are either from trees set aside to be used for paper or recycled materials. I said Organic toothpaste which clearly reads on the back on the tube "not tested on animals" it also states the ingredients as well, which colgate and crest usually leave out.

You live in europe, it has alot more options for public transportation.. i live in a capitolistic society where 1 person needs to drive a SUV to work, where the mentality is if i can aford the gas i should be able to drive this car no matter what. Hard not to look righteous when im surounded by ppl that dont give a shit, then when I care about my actions and im talked bad about.
Its like my old boss who drove his surburban every morning to work a commute of 30+ miles then has the nerve to bitch about the weather how its getting hotter each year.

 

[Kerowynn]

Sorry to say this kero but most abortions are done for those types of ppl i already touched on that.

Most and Some isnt good enough for me and it shouldnt be for anyone, especially for a product you dont need.

That was gonna be my last post on this topic but I guess i was wrong.

I agree with your sentiments Mat and I'm glad that you're able to stay strong enough in your beliefs to avoid meat.

Personally I would have a hard time with it...

 

[Alyada]

I agree with your sentiments Mat and I'm glad that you're able to stay strong enough in your beliefs to avoid meat.

Personally I would have a hard time with it...

Teehee. Hard meat.

I even felt guilty and ashamed for the slut comment due to Alydaya post but then I found hes a guy.

What? Alydaya? >_>;

 

[Kerowynn]

Teehee. Hard meat.

Umm /rawr? lol

 

[meeze]

Its not like im on all the Amish ppls ass for useing a bull to pull a damn plow, animals are tools humans have learned to use in everyday life. Using a mouse to test a drug that may save ppls lives is something someone depends on for survival, YOU DONT DEPEND ON MEAT to survive mankind is past that. You already said you choose to eat meat cause you "like" it, knowing that the majority of the animals grow up sick and mistreated, yet somehow im the bad guy I dont get it.

There is nothing wrong with eating meat. You make it out to be a crime.

As far as rainforests being torn back for livestock...how many central/south american countries actually export meat as a main export? I know Brazil does a nice chunk, but that is the only one I can think of. I do know most of them export fruit as their main export.

Now, regardless of which of the two is cutting back forest (because they both do) they displace animals left and right, and even making some extinct.

Now, when it is done for agricultural purposes, some animals repopulate the area and then get chewed up by the machinery that is used to prep and harvest. Agriculture isn't innocent of killing animals, lets not bullshit ourselves.

 

[duncanrun]

I dont eat plants or animals because they are both living things.

 

[Uzor]

See your tryin to make me look like I said all animal use it wrong. The thread was on a cat being abused and I brought up the meat industy, because you Uzor were putting yourself higher than Chasym and the others with "OMG i cant believe you declaw your cat, you guys are so cruel" so you were calling them out and all I did was call you out in the same manner but somehow im the overly righteous person, how does that work?

Its not like im on all the Amish ppls ass for useing a bull to pull a damn plow, animals are tools humans have learned to use in everyday life. Using a mouse to test a drug that may save ppls lives is something someone depends on for survival, YOU DONT DEPEND ON MEAT to survive mankind is past that. You already said you choose to eat meat cause you "like" it, knowing that the majority of the animals grow up sick and mistreated, yet somehow im the bad guy I dont get it.

if you'd have bothered reading what I said, I chose to eat my meat from palces I know they grew up well in. But apparently you ignored that part sicne it makes your argument look better.

and cats are different from other animals. I already explained that. I also explained why I chose to eat meat, because its natural to eat meat. You don't have to chose not to perform natural acts. Sex is natural, too. Breathing and drinking are all natural acts. The only way to benefit the earth is to decide not to do unatural acts. Such as driving to work, or eat meat from horribly treated animals halfway across the world.

That isn't to say you should completely stop doing anything unatural. You shouldn't completely stop from driving, or use other transporational methods. you can, however, chose to walk to the food store instead of taking the car there. If everyone did that, the air pollution would decrease by a lot. Additionally, if everyoen only bought lovally grown vegetables, and only chose ecological meat from closer farms and animals that aren't horribly tortured, there would be no benefit in transporting goods from halfway across the country or halfway across the world, in which case air pollution would increase further.

It seems you only argument agaisnt eating meat is that all animals get tortured while alive. This is a weak argument at best, and shows that you're either ignoring half the truth, or that you're horribly missinformed.

Trees can be cut down and used in a manner where it doesnt effect the environment so much, there just like any other plant. So earth friendly materials are either from trees set aside to be used for paper or recycled materials. I said Organic toothpaste which clearly reads on the back on the tube "not tested on animals" it also states the ingredients as well, which colgate and crest usually leave out.

It doesn't matter how or where you cut down a tree. If you cut down 1 tree, that's 1 tree less in existance. It doesn't matter how you look at it. If you cut down the forest to the west or to the east, you stil lcut down a forest. It affects the nature either way.

The only difference is the ammount of animals that suffer. Do tell me a forest without any animals at all.

And yes, Meeze said it in a very simple, yet efficient matter. You're making it out to seem like eating meat is a crime.

 

[Tok]

I dont eat plants or animals because they are both living things.

your lvl 5 vegan?

 

[matchuu]

You hand the average person a gun and tell them to hunt there not gonna do it, you have to be raised to live that way, its not natural for humans to want to kill cause we feel compassion for things. Id like to see all these ppl that eat chicken actually take and kill a chicken themselves and then eat it. Only ppl that have been raised around killing get used to it they scar there mind to not feel hurt for that anymore. Just like you can train a soldier to kill and not feel guilty for his actions, but I myself would never kill anyone or feel the need to, why cause its a natural instinct to feel killing is wrong.

Just like a child at first will fear seeing violence on TV but after seeing it over and over again he will accept as the norm the same is being a butcher, no one is born with the inclination to chop up flesh, most ppl hate the sight of blood alone, but after seeing maybe his parents or someone else do it over and over you get used to it and think it is the norm.

 

[matchuu]

your lvl 5 vegan?

lol simpsons lvl 5 vegan i dont eat anything that casts its own shadow!

 

[matchuu]

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It doesn't matter how or where you cut down a tree. If you cut down 1 tree, that's 1 tree less in existance. It doesn't matter how you look at it. If you cut down the forest to the west or to the east, you stil lcut down a forest. It affects the nature either way.

So your telling me theres no difference in clear cutting and chopping down selected trees? Trees are plants they can be planted again, if done in a controled way, you can use the natural resource without effecting the environment. Its just when greed is the factor and you dont weigh the pros and cons of your action you just think of the profitable gain.

 

[matchuu]

side note Uzor owes me for helping him get closer to the top 5 most posts on qcdn. you can thank me later. also what dynamis ls goes at thursday afternoons pst? you told me you were at dynamis a few hours ago