Mods should NOT be able to have rating privlidges

Why are more and more people hating Jyak nowadays...that's all i really see, the flame doesn't even have to be about him (Flame of the year B.S) and somehow he still gets mentioned...
 
Rappa said:
Things a moderator shouldn't be able to do but I'm pretty sure they can:

-Read PMs.
-Read posts on any private forum.
-Use status/coding to exploit something (like rep).
-Break the rules they create for a forum without repercussion.

Being able to rate posts or "follow someone around and mark their posts that are violations" are things anyone can do and I don't see why a mod should be an exception.
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Read PMs: No, maybe Reeve can, but none of the admin powers extended to me allow me such privilege. At least, not directly. I can reset your password, log in to your account and read away... I think you'd notice something was up if I did that though. Global Moderators have no such privileges whatsoever.

Read private forums: Yes and No, The forums do not show up to us unless we are in the linkshell group. Can admins place themself in a linkshell group? Yes. Can global moderators? No. Would Admin's abuse this? I suppose it is possible, but Miros and I have actually discussed this, and he says he has never done such. (It was a discussion about the 300 Fitness Linkshell forum)

Exploits: Admin: Yes. Moderators: No. Global moderators can only change comments left in reputation -- potentially allowing us to remove innappropriate comments. As a recent affair realized, Admins can however alter reputation power, and as well, alter singular reputation comments/powers.

Break the rules: Its hard to say we 'break the rules' when moderators are extended heavy doses of personal discretion. Its rare a cut and dry case of broken rules is uncovered. In fact, I can only think of one, and unfortunate -- but handled.

Fun times.
 
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This thread is ridiculous

I know some mods rate down people no matter what they say. Like getting a rate for saying good bye to a friend. Seriously group up.
 
Ok guys. Yes this is a 'blah' thread. But some of you are missing my point, or ignoring it. Fine. But let me remake it in another way. This particular person is able to to harass numerous people through his comments on the rate down system. How do I know this as a fact now? The messages in my inbox from other members who are experiencing the same type of harassment from QCDN 'mods'. As someone stated Jyk may just be a private forum mod, but he is immune from the ignore function and that has to be changed. And why should it be changed? QCDN is probably the best site for it's type dedicated to a specific server out there. When I see the system is broken I have to call bullshit on it guys. A mod harassing members unchecked is abusing the system and should be called on it. He shouldn't be immune to people's ignore list because of this. He is acting like a little child by stalking people and rating down each and every one of their threads and posting the same line, something to the extent of 'aww poor thing, your panties in your twat again you fucking asshat'. I mean come on, people don't wan't to log in and see this shit with everything they are posting about. (Unless you are Hellstorm, WSM or a few others who LIVE for controversy). The whole reason I posted this was from a conversation I was having with another person who gets the same shit from him. Imagine my surprise.

When Miros gets back from vacation hopefully he can fix this somehow.

Jyk, if it's an apology you want for essentially calling Acrtyrael the equivalent of a doochefag on his 'give him his rate ups, its all he's got' thread your not going to get it. I stated before that it is my personal belief that Mods should be role models on these boards and should not go flapping their jaws picking fights with people at a whim.

Bilun
 
Two problems in this thread:

1) People like Jyakotsu apparently can't be ignored. At all. This is an incredibly large oversight, one that's needed fixed for awhile (Hellstorm too...)

2) People are apparently beginning to think that Jyakotsu is an actual mod.

I'm honestly not sure which of these is worse, really.
 
I think the easiest way is to just skip their posts if your have that much of an issue, and if they follow you just to rate ya down, then get a super mod or something to fix it.
 
Garvin said:
Two problems in this thread:

1) People like Jyakotsu apparently can't be ignored. At all. This is an incredibly large oversight, one that's needed fixed for awhile (Hellstorm too...)

2) People are apparently beginning to think that Jyakotsu is an actual mod.

I'm honestly not sure which of these is worse, really.
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Agreed, Miros or even Reeve, will have to be the one to look at this.

Whether it is by an elevated permission filter, which could be changed, or coded into vBulletin, which would have to be hacked, group leaders are considered private moderators. I am not sure if you can call this an 'oversight' by QCDN though. It is just how vBulletin handles the user groups and their leaders.
 
Arctyrael said:
Agreed, Miros or even Reeve, will have to be the one to look at this.

Whether it is by an elevated permission filter, which could be changed, or coded into vBulletin, which would have to be hacked, group leaders are considered private moderators. I am not sure if you can call this an 'oversight' by QCDN though. It is just how vBulletin handles the user groups and their leaders.
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No, not by QCDN, certainly. It's a vBulletin issue. I think this was discussed before as being hard-coded into vBulletin, but I'm not entirely sure, so don't go quoting me on that.
 
Garvin said:
No, not by QCDN, certainly. It's a vBulletin issue. I think this was discussed before as being hard-coded into vBulletin, but I'm not entirely sure, so don't go quoting me on that.
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Arctyreal said:
We are looking at it Jya. As has been stated 2x -- it is not as simple as just making 'different' moderators.

The makers of vBulletin consider what we call 'linkshell' moderators the same as regular 'forum' mods. The system is doing the right thing.

I am unfamiliar with vBulletin, but the only way I can see getting around this is to create a group with moderator-like privileges that do not have the moderator status. Then moving all linkshell mods into that group for their respective forum. This way they are not called moderators by the system and thus can be ignored everywhere (even if you are in their linkshell forum).
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Yeh, pretty much.

Also, why can't we do this?
Cmdrfly said:
I looked into this myself and I see what Reeve is saying. Under the Ignore system, there is one related option: "Allow users to ignore moderators".

We cannot differentiate private forum mods from administrative mods. Perhaps in a future revision of the Ignore system, or via some hack therein.
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Sure, it'd give people the ability to ignore global mods/admins, but if someone seriously wanted to block them, they probably wouldn't be here for long anyway.

Not like it matters to me at the end of the day, though. I'm just offering suggestions :V
 
Guyfox said:
I posted on here a while back at my total distaste of Arctyrael's attitude on these forums. Long story short, and to the point, I don't believe moderators should be allowed to post on these forums if they are going to also have rate up and rate down abilities. Due to my comment for my disapproval of Arctyrael another moderator / admin, jyakotsu, has taken it upon himself to find random threads by me and rate them down for the hell of it and cuss me out in the process. Mods should be unbiased and here to do their jobs, moderate the boards. They stick together like they should, but with powers they should not have. They are given the abilities to say and do and control whatever they want unchecked. They are entitled to their opinions, but to blatantly abuse the the system that empowered them to do their job should not be tolerated. I had hoped by just adding Jyakotsu to my ignore list I would be rid of this guy's harassment. But then I get this message: "Sorry jyakotsu is a moderator/admin and you are not allowed to ignore him or her." Funny the same harassment complaint I sent probably went straight to him and he is having a hell of a laugh.

Screenshots of his comments to follow if necessary but come on dude. If your going to have responsible quit tripping over your dick and do your damned job right, or relinquish your title. Half expecting to get PM spam from him now, and of course there won't be shit to do about it because the mods are only going to stick together.
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It seems that harassing people via rate down has become the new hobby now, rate up's or downs should be a simple dot green or red with no option to attach a pissy comment alongside with them. I imagine that unsettling remarks delivered this way as opposed to a actual PM are somehow not considered subject to any forum rules and much like the flameboard free to go unchecked.

My only suggestion to you Guyfox if you find the sight of said person's rate downs to be so unpleasant is to either disable your ratings (I think thats an available option) or close the entire comment box, give such comments the attention they deserve. I've found it quite liberating really, what I dont see, doesnt bother me now. :)
 
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