morrigan's robe on quetz.

Meh, it is, but not that big of a deal to me lol. Okay, I'll be on, just send me a tell, we can probably rape Rappa into going too.

Mire wanted to pt last night too, so I'll volunteer her.

Cro > Rappa > Mire > Me > gimptaru > and one more (probably defaults to Cami lol)
 
RDMs can't keep up for the most part on mamools at 75. A solid whm can perform well. I was exageratting, but I wouldn't party with an underlvld healer for one of our cannons regardless of race.
Those RDMes kind of suck then <.<

But yes, I do prefer main healing as WHM :p Much easier. So I'd have to agree that a WHM performs better
 
Those RDMes kind of suck then <.<

But yes, I do prefer main healing as WHM :p Much easier. So I'd have to agree that a WHM performs better

I've talked about it at length before so I won't beat a dead horse. Any rdm would struggle to keep up in an elite cannon. Yes I am being elitest. Its not the rdm's fault, its the things melees must take risks on to get the quickest kills possible.

If you're happy with 20k/hour, by all means use RDMs. If you want to push the limits further, I wouldn't feel comfortable with a RDM main healing.
 
I've talked about it at length before so I won't beat a dead horse. Any rdm would struggle to keep up in an elite cannon. Yes I am being elitest. Its not the rdm's fault, its the things melees must take risks on to get the quickest kills possible.

If you're happy with 20k/hour, by all means use RDMs. If you want to push the limits further, I wouldn't feel comfortable with a RDM main healing.
Yes, I know. I told you I agreed. My point was that if they run out of MP after 2 fights, they suck. Even if it was a great exaggeration. Yes, they would struggle somewhat, but that's natural since RDMes aren't meant to be main healers. Like I said, I, too, prefer WHM to main heal.
 
Yes, I know. I told you I agreed. My point was that if they run out of MP after 2 fights, they suck. Even if it was a great exaggeration. Yes, they would struggle somewhat, but that's natural since RDMes aren't meant to be main healers. Like I said, I, too, prefer WHM to main heal.

Gotcha...my wording was actually that a 66 RDM would run out of MP after 2 fights, thats where I was exagerating. A 75 RDM would still struggle as noted. Struggle =/= run out of mp in two fights.
 
Mirewen's gonna be in dynamis tonight so I'm not sure if she'll be able to or not :( I'll come, I'm free whenever to be your whm or brd (I'd suggest mnk or drk but mnk's not ready for a 25k/hr pt yet and drk's just not a 25k/hr job).
 
Mirewen's gonna be in dynamis tonight so I'm not sure if she'll be able to or not :( I'll come, I'm free whenever to be your whm or brd (I'd suggest mnk or drk but mnk's not ready for a 25k/hr pt yet and drk's just not a 25k/hr job).

well my WAR isn't really "ready" for 25k/hr lol, it's still gimp. I'm hoping Jamal will still be okay with me though. D:
 
well my WAR isn't really "ready" for 25k/hr lol, it's still gimp. I'm hoping Jamal will still be okay with me though. D:

As long as you first voke its fine by me :) That lowers my Damage greatly when I'm voking and DD'ing! Last two parties have been MNK MNK ME BRD BRD WHM and MNK MNK MNK ME BRD WHM...so I've been stressed
 
As long as you first voke its fine by me :) That lowers my Damage greatly when I'm voking and DD'ing! Last two parties have been MNK MNK ME BRD BRD WHM and MNK MNK MNK ME BRD WHM...so I've been stressed

Hell, I'd love to "tank" for you guys then. It's the least I can do.
 
Get my 70WAR. ;~; I'm back in FF (sortof), so, uhm, yeh.
 
This may be old ass news, but i really didn't wanna dig into pages on end to see if you had seen this yet:

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Yeah, sex.

Cheers


Ps: sorry if this is old, just disregard, just new to me.
 
Gotcha...my wording was actually that a 66 RDM would run out of MP after 2 fights, thats where I was exagerating. A 75 RDM would still struggle as noted. Struggle =/= run out of mp in two fights.


I understand you prefer whm and thats fine. But I really just think you've partied with some very shitty rdms. Yes I agree it is easier to heal with a whm especially with them having Cure V and higher level curagas. A rdm has to cast more spells to heal the same hp.

One more level of clear mind and conserve mp pales in comparison to Convert, which effectively doubles my mp pool, and Refresh and Ill take the pepsi challenge anyday of the week that'll I'll keep up if not surpass a whm healer pound for pound if we have to heal the same amount of hp over the same duration.

What I notice is most whms just heal and haste and do very little else. Rdms, even though we're healers of the cannon are always asked to do more things (ie tossing out refreshs, dispeling, enfeebling, etc) and it takes a toll on our mp pools. If all I did was pure whm duties such as heal and haste, I don't care what kinda cannon you got, a good rdm would keep up.

Like I said it just sounds like you've played with some really bad rdms and happen to know a very good whm and are under the wrong impression or have been mislead to believe we can't be effective healers in a cannon.
 
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I understand you prefer whm and thats fine. But I really just think you've partied with some very shitty rdms. Yes I agree it is easier to heal with a whm especially with them having Cure V and higher level curagas. A rdm has to cast more spells to heal the same hp.

One more level of clear mind and conserve mp pales in comparison to Convert, which effectively doubles my mp pool, and Refresh and Ill take the pepsi challenge anyday of the week that'll I'll keep up if not surpass a whm healer pound for pound if we have to heal the same amount of hp over the same duration.

What I notice is most whms just heal and haste and do very little else. Rdms, even though we're healers of the cannon are always asked to do more things (ie tossing out refreshs, dispeling, enfeebling, etc) and it takes a toll on our mp pools. If all I did was pure whm duties such as heal and haste, I don't care what kinda cannon you got, a good rdm would keep up.

Like I said it just sounds like you've played with some really bad rdms and happen to know a very good whm and are under the wrong impression or have been mislead to believe we can't be effective healers in a cannon.
No, there's no one to refresh in a BRD WHM 4xmelee, remove DRK.

The difference isn't Cure V, its Regen III
 
No, there's no one to refresh in a BRD WHM 4xmelee, remove DRK.

The difference isn't Cure V, its Regen III


Not all experience parties are created equal. Sometimes there drks there but also blus and even on occasion there's a pld tank with melee x3 although obviously with the pld tank the exp tends not to be as good regardless.

The refresh was just an example even if all I had to had to do was refresh myself I don't know about you but I'm still asked to silence imps or mage mamools, dispel evasion boost or cocoon, etc. etc.
 
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I understand you prefer whm and thats fine. But I really just think you've partied with some very shitty rdms. Yes I agree it is easier to heal with a whm especially with them having Cure V and higher level curagas. A rdm has to cast more spells to heal the same hp.

One more level of clear mind and conserve mp pales in comparison to Convert, which effectively doubles my mp pool, and Refresh and Ill take the pepsi challenge anyday of the week that'll I'll keep up if not surpass a whm healer pound for pound if we have to heal the same amount of hp over the same duration.

What I notice is most whms just heal and haste and do very little else. Rdms, even though we're healers of the cannon are always asked to do more things (ie tossing out refreshs, dispeling, enfeebling, etc) and it takes a toll on our mp pools. If all I did was pure whm duties such as heal and haste, I don't care what kinda cannon you got, a good rdm would keep up.

Like I said it just sounds like you've played with some really bad rdms and happen to know a very good whm and are under the wrong impression or have been mislead to believe we can't be effective healers in a cannon.

Effective healers yes, the best healers no. Convert does not make up for the faults found in RDMs. There is only ONE enfeeble ever asked for in a cannon, DIA II...and due to the nature of the spell, WHM suffices to land it just fine. Getting buffs to stay on the party is immensely difficult for a RDM unless you settle for PRO/SHELL II, which can lead to deaths in the party if you settle for this.

PRO/SHELL V without great mp loss + Regen III + Cure V + Conserve MP + Divine Veil (if needed) + higher Clear Mind
OR
Refresh + Convert + Cure IV as highest curing spell, which lends to problems if possibly mistimed.

If Melee are acting as they should, they'll land vokes in on incoming mobs if more then one voke is present to keep the BRD puller safe. Should that same melee have damage done to him and get cure IV'd after the voke occured, the RDM will have a great deal of initial hate. Then when the mob is woken by a melee hit, the mob goes for the RDM, and a voke may or may not stop it from getting one hit in, interupting resting and losing any HMP that may have been occuring, AND forcing the melee to have to manuever more, losing seconds off of the impending kill.

Situations like these add up. No matter how good the rdm is, times like these will occur ONLY due to the nature of the job and spells available. A couple seconds here and there is the difference between a solid chain 200 party for 20-22k/hour and an explosive cannon that rattles off 25k+. I've partied with the best of the best rdms and whms, its not the player, its the job. Xtereem was an insane cannon RDM that I partied with a ton on aura weapons due to the need for dispel. Even though he has all the gear and skill a rdm could possibly ask for, I'd still be weary to invite him to a ToAU cannon over a WHM.
Uzor himself said that WHM > RDM for cannons because its easier. When you see how quickly we move from mob to mob in our elite (yes i said it) cannons, you can see how any wasted time can add up to lost experience points.
When I say a RDM is struggling, I'm not saying they're shitty. I'm saying its tougher for them and it slows down the party slightly because of it.
 
I get triple digit chains as a whm healer without touching that abomination known as Regen. I cure them to full and start resting asap, no time for spells that take that long to cast. The difference makers are Cure V, Pro/Shellra IV+, Curaga III+, Divine Veil (if you're having to fight Skoffins and they Paralyga), added Clear Mind (since whms rest more), and especially Conserve MP. People laugh at Conserve MP but it activates on at least 1/4 of your spells and can reduce up to half the spell's cost. rdm/whm doesn't get that boost.
 
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